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Old 10-01-2019, 11:51 AM   #376
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If he’s invested in RFID then he must know how that data is transmitted from the sensors through the casinos protected network.
What is the setup for this game? Direct connection from the table via USB/Ethernet? Wifi transmission? Any chance there is an insecure API endpoint exposed?
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:53 AM   #377
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Watched very few hands.

Saw a c/c when he hit River for a lesser FH. I've made similar plays when I knew the V would only bet with nuts, but really have to call it off to be sure. "Never getting called by a worse hand." is the key excuse there.

He is super late putting his own cards over the reader and they note it on stream.

There is so much attention to this right now that he (or the group) would be super foolish to even try to continue whatever is going on.

What's too bad is if there isn't something going on then he will still get crucified when his variance changes even by a little bit.

I see where they are trying to be player friendly and letting them watch the stream on phone or TV near by ... but this could really affect them filling all the seats if this guy is known to be in the lineup for an upcoming stream. GL
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:56 AM   #378
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Spoke w/ Hill - he was upset over me banning him from the YT chat. We've talked more about the situation.


Didn't someone say they recently banned cell phones from the room because they thought Mike was using those on stream but that he has also played since the stream. I've noticed he has his keys on the table often as well. Looks like keys are another common reader/detector/device used in cheating from my research. They are on the table the entire time during the recent high stakes game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0



Stream before






The next time he played they still had phones and he is back in the lap

Occam's razor. It's not his keys. He's playing on a stream with exposed cards. Someone is communicating to him in real time.


EDIT -- some type of RFID hack is obv also a reasonable explanation
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:57 AM   #379
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This is a great one. Just skip through it and watch this absolute psychopath con these guys out of $20k+ in one session. In a casino game. Bizzarre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:01 PM   #380
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)




I hadn't thought about this but it would be sense considering the way the show treats him, creates memes, pretends he is a mythical god, never questions any of his play, and the overall things being said about him throughout the entire stream.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:01 PM   #381
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Here are 2e where he gets bluffed


https://clips.twitch.tv/JoyousPeppyR...recommendation

https://clips.twitch.tv/AstuteConcer...recommendation
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:03 PM   #382
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Those are two of the hands he posted on Twitter as proof he sometimes folds the best hand that we went over on stream.

The 86hand was a 3bet pot where Rich bet/bet/bet and Mike had to make the tight laydown w/ 4th pair.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:03 PM   #383
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I have a very unorthodox laggy style of play and have been accused many times of
"weird plays" or "something funny going on" etc so I am usually pretty sceptical about cheating accusations leveled against a fellow LAG. To those who are amazed at his winrate, especially with that VPIP and think it is the most damning evidence - you have to understand that sample size is tiny and this is exactly what happens when competent LAG runs like a god. For all those "god mode" sessions there are ton of sessions where laggy plays don't work, you run into big hands or "sheriffs" at the table and end up down 6-7 buyins.
That being said, by no means i am defending this guys. Some of those hands are very difficult to explain. 88vsTT and AxddvsT8dd hands are not as crazy as 76o hand. Jamming into two players with uncapped ranges on the T53J3 board is ****** insane. Folding QJ on QT8x board with 2 flush draws possible is also batshit insane, especially considering that this is exactly a spot where he is looking to steal the pot against a pair\ missed draw combo. Even in showdown monkey poker this is just a bad fold unless you know your opponents cards.
Question to those who play with him in non-streamed games. Does he also keep his phone near his crotch or this is just what he does when stream is on? We are all creatures of habit and this is a very particular habit that probably wouldn't change from game to game\table to table.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:04 PM   #384
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https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg

Hand at 41:00. I mean...if he’s not cheating he’s the greatest.

Have a look at 42:30

Have you ever seen a more guilty look than when he checks his phone at such a huge moment in the hand.

Its comical
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:11 PM   #385
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cant believe i just watched 4 hours of joey discussing a 5$ game lol. but so cearly cheating.

The AQ fold against AK on AT9xK when the guy bet like 500$ into 4.5k$ pot with AK was enough for me.

Everybody just pays off there ffs.

At one time his brother was in the commentary praising him saying he always tries to take every +ev in every spot in life. so hes likely working behind the scenes..Might want to have a word with him. likely a couple of people in on it
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:13 PM   #386
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Try and watch this from the lense of a crook comedy movie and Mike is a good guy from like Wedding Crashers during the wedding crasher scene early in the movie.

2hours 21 minutes in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc

Look at Mikes Facial reaction when he coolers his opponent. Pretending to be shocked. must see TV
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:14 PM   #387
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

For the three big hands where Postle's play was highly suspect until it was explained on stream that the reader was wrong and he in fact had a more sensible holding, I'm interested to know:

1. How was information on the "correct" holecards communicated, i.e. from Postle to the production crew? Production crew retrieved the information using the technology infrastructure after the fact?

2. Who was the production crew at the time of these instances?

Playing on the livestream, whenever big pots are won without a showdown, we will wait to watch them on our phone or on the in-house TVs as they broadcast it 30 minutes later.

In addition to these hands that have been discussed, I remember several other times where we were in collective disbelief that Postle took the lines he did with the holecards that were displayed on the stream. In those instances too, he claimed that the reader wasn't correct. For example, he didn't just run a massive bluff with 43 on a board of J39J8, he actually had 33.

There was even the explanation offered (I can't remember if it was from Postle or the production team, or both) that the two seat where Postle sits the majority of the time had a persistently, faulty card reader.

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Old 10-01-2019, 12:15 PM   #388
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Have a look at 42:30

Have you ever seen a more guilty look than when he checks his phone at such a huge moment in the hand.

Its comical
did he just x/c turn then donk jams river when he knows everyone just bricks? hahaha that is so obvious dayum. That is so guilty

he x/c flop and x/c turn lawlllllll. The flop was **** 8way. hes never taking that line if he doesnt know whole cards.

This guy should be in jail
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:17 PM   #389
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Have a look at 42:30

Have you ever seen a more guilty look than when he checks his phone at such a huge moment in the hand.

Its comical
The way he folds his hand over his legs afterwards seems unnatural. Not a comfortable position to be in with your phone on your lap.

The body language doesn't match up to his outgoing style at all.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:17 PM   #390
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If he is genuine then he is the greatest poker player of all time and im surprised he gets any action, even Isildur1 wouldn't play him heads up.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:22 PM   #391
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Try and watch this from the lense of a crook comedy movie and Mike is a good guy from like Wedding Crashers during the wedding crasher scene early in the movie.

2hours 21 minutes in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc

Look at Mikes Facial reaction when he coolers his opponent. Pretending to be shocked. must see TV
I'm quoting this post even though I already posted that session right before, to highlight to everyone going through this thread PLEASE WATCH THIS SPECIFIC STREAM. IT'S RIDICULOUS. And disgusting, tbh
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:23 PM   #392
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This is a great one. Just skip through it and watch this absolute psychopath con these guys out of $20k+ in one session. In a casino game. Bizzarre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc
OMG - LOL - The folds during this session and the value town he takes the rest of the table too is incredible. If you watch him with the understanding he is cheating he is the worst actor of all time. Literally if this was a movie and you were watching this knowing he is cheating you would say " This dude isn't believable nobody would follow it"

Incredible video here
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:23 PM   #393
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For the three big hands where Postle's play was highly suspect until it was explained on stream that the reader was wrong and he in fact had a more sensible holding, I'm interested to know:

1. How was information on the "correct" holecards communicated, i.e. from Postle to the production crew? Production crew retrieved the information using the technology infrastructure after the fact?

2. Who was the production crew at the time of these instances?

Playing on the livestream, whenever big pots are won without a showdown, we will wait to watch them on our phone or on the in-house TVs as they broadcast it 30 minutes later.

In addition to these hands that have been discussed, I remember several other times where we were in collective disbelief that Postle took the lines he did with the holecards that were displayed on the stream. In those instances too, he claimed that the reader wasn't correct. For example, he didn't just run a massive bluff with 43 on a board of J39J8, he actually had 33.

There was even the explanation offered (I can't remember if it was from Postle or the production team, or both) that the two seat where Postle sits the majority of the time had a persistently, faulty card reader.
Has his reader malfunctioned even once in any hand that was shown? Or is it a special reader fault that only manifests itself retroactively in suspicious hands that didn't go to showdown?

Also, how do these reader faults always give him a hand that might make sense? 88 instead of 78, 43 instead of 33 etc.? One would expect a reader fault to result in a random "wrong" card.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:25 PM   #394
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People always so obsessed with having every shred of evidence and definitive proof...
Players have lost tens of thousands to the guy, of course people will be looking for more evidence/proof to confirm his guilt.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:26 PM   #395
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Those are two of the hands he posted on Twitter as proof he sometimes folds the best hand that we went over on stream.

The 86hand was a 3bet pot where Rich bet/bet/bet and Mike had to make the tight laydown w/ 4th pair.
One thing I noticed about these two hands vs the other ones is that his phone is out and visible in these two folds. I don't remember him having his phone out in the multitude of hands where he played perfectly.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:29 PM   #396
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Pretty good bet/fold imo

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Old 10-01-2019, 12:30 PM   #397
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Second hand there was a dude on the sideline talking to him so maybe he couldn't use whatever heck the crotch thing is
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:33 PM   #398
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That 2nd fold makes so much more sense now


Rich is his "best friend"??
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:33 PM   #399
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cheater

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Old 10-01-2019, 12:35 PM   #400
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I don't think there is any doubt. If he was really so good at live poker, he wouldn't be playing this game, he would be playing in Bobby's room. Case closed. Lock him up.
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