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Old 10-05-2019, 02:03 PM   #3951
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Why? That pretty much neutralizes the entire whistleblower policy. The players would get paid back and damages. They'd have $0 money recovered if not for her. $0.00 They should be offering her something, not taking from her.
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Did Veronica quit on her own accord? Or was she basically told to resign? If she was let go for being a whistleblower, she definitely should be compensated.
I believe she quit right before releasing the tweet. But what is she getting paid like $10/hr? I think she quit her dealer job there like a 1.5 yrs ago so it was more like a social hobby that she got paid a little bit for.

Imagine regs on the stream. Not only are they losing thousands and thousands, they aren't getting the money they may have won on the session, they incur phycological damage, their mental game suffers, they could go on major downswings off stream questioning their game and switching it up for the worse, they could gamble on the side to try and get their losses back an incur more losses.

Veronica also brought players to these games without telling them their was a suspected cheater in it. But its less about whether she deserves it or not and more about it being the right thing to do to donate it to the players. Who knows if theyll ever see a dime and whether she'll ever see a dime. I've always defended and commended her for what she did but I would lose all respect if she kept any money she may or may not receive. I dont really want to argue about this since its all just speculation at this point.

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Absolutely not. Quite the opposite actually. If they get money back they should be paying her a cut.
Absolutely not. You want Berkey and Soto to pay her a cut when she could have told them she was driving them to a game with a superuser? Hey, you didn't tell me about the super user in the 2hr car ride we had together, but here's 40% of the money I lost to the cheater.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:03 PM   #3952
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not sure about this being a cheating episode, at least once once it goes heads up, as you can see Justin wandering around, fixing the rope/poles, taking photos of each player etc
We have seen that its likely that the cheating morphed at some point; from a feed on his phone to the headphones in the hat method.

Also if Justin is involved, it's not like he can't drop all of his other responsibilities too. He has to still do his 'job'.

And there is this Taylor dude too.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:08 PM   #3953
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not sure about this being a cheating episode, at least once once it goes heads up, as you can see Justin wandering around, fixing the rope/poles, taking photos of each player etc
I skimmed like an hour so far and I'm not seeing any cheating yet either. He even puts his phone on the table a couple times from out where it usually is when he cheats. Very little time spent looking down at his crotch so far too. Maybe get timestamps of the "weird" spots?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:08 PM   #3954
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FWIW it's sort of a level 1 old live pro move to pretend you're disappointed in spots like these to encourage more betting. Ive seen this from several people when they're really strong. Could be totally sincere for sure tho.

Also agree with Masq, and assumed the river was a good enough card to give him the excuse to bail. I think the hand featured in Doug's vid where Mike throws his hands up is a less ambiguous example of him doing something physical because he knows something. Appreciate the clip, thanks.

There is too much damning evidence already. The next phase of all of this is going to be interesting
completely ridiculous. if you are doing this only to get more chips in the pot, then you get more chips in the pot, you don't keep the pot small as possible because YOU ****ING KNOW YOU ARE ****ING BEAT! jfc

postle is complete ****ing scum. disgusting
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:09 PM   #3955
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I've added the results from the 12 sessions in 2019 that were not included in the original data by JS84. He mentioned he only looked at NLH sessions. Mike played in 9 Omaha/mixed games sessions in 2019, winning approximately $20K. I tried to determine whether he was superusing in these sessions but wasn't able to spend much time on each of these and I am not that experienced in O8.

Additionally, I added 3 NLH sessions that were left off the original post. These sessions were uploaded a few weeks after the stream, which may be why you missed them. He wins $26K over these 3 sessions.

Adding these in brings his 2019 profit to $206K and '18+'19 profit to $300K. Note that this does not include any non-NLH games from 2018. I will try to add this when I get a chance, but may be a little while. Anyway, probably safe to assume his total winnings were in the $325-$350K range. I did my best to incorporate re-buys and add-ons but am sure I missed some. Feel free to send me anything I missed and I will update the spreadsheet.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:10 PM   #3956
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Veronica also brought players to these games without telling them their was a suspected cheater in it. But its less about whether she deserves it or not and more about it being the right thing to do to donate it to the players. Who knows if theyll ever see a dime and whether she'll ever see a dime. I've always defended and commended her for what she did but I would lose all respect if she kept any money she may or may not receive. I dont really want to argue about this since its all just speculation at this point.
Wouldn't the right thing to do be something like donating the money to starving children in Africa? I'm not sure what fantasy world you live in that the right thing to do is to donate money to degenerate poker players.

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Absolutely not. You want Berkey and Soto to pay her a cut
Yes, because it would be the right thing to do.

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when she could have told them she was driving them to a game with a superuser? Hey, you didn't tell me about the super user in the 2hr car ride we had together, but here's 40% of the money I lost to the cheater.
So you're alleging that she is complicit.

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Sunglasses and earbuds are not necessary. Postle had neither. The person running the game sets the rules. Obviously they would have to pony up some money for the RFID technology. Unless it's a lot more expensive than I think, it seems like it would pay for itself very quickly.
Here is a low budget .50/$1 game that appears to utilize card reading technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML2jz3uBB4Y
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:12 PM   #3957
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NEW FINDING:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CswNmIQvI0o&t=25217s

7 hours of footage of mike cheating playing a $550 sit n go tournament at Stones is it a coincidence HE WON FIRST PLACE Somebody else needs to look into this! ALOT OF SHADY **** GOING ON HERE IN THIS SESSION. We all thought it was just cash games...
He didn't win this. He shoved J10off into QQ and lost in 2nd
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:14 PM   #3958
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This is from the PLO stream with the RFID error that was found last night.

Listen to what Postle says just as the feed is about to cut

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=17001
his hat seems abnormally puffy to me. are those hats normally that puffy? maybe someone less lazy than i am wants to look that up.

i couldn't tell what he was saying when the feed cuts out "good thing i...."
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:15 PM   #3959
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Alleged Evidence That Mike Knows What Cards Are Coming Post Flop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOew5mNY9XY&t=5122s

Timestamp: 1 Hour 3 Minutes, QQ VS TT VS 66

Clearly in this session mike is cheating and during this hand as well. He bluffs out the 66 Hand on the flop in an empty side pot. IF he can see Vs Cards why would he bluff out the worst hand on the flop mike never does this. Oh wait LOOK AT THE RIVER.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:16 PM   #3960
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did matusow end up getting his 2 mil back from ub this year?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:16 PM   #3961
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Does the PTR database still exist somewhere? It would be curious to see if he really was a big online winner pre BF.

(apologies if this has already been asked/answered and I've lost it in the thread)
https://web.archive.org/web/2009*/po...lerankings.com
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:16 PM   #3962
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Freeze frame at 2:10:15 am I the only person who thinks there is a small grey sliver on his bracelet that is a scanner? Looks like a glint at first but it is not and there’s clearly a small grey band on his bracelet. It’s a rigged card deck people, who is in charge of the deck they use?
https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:17 PM   #3963
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Like the case at the alea casino glasgow,all it needs is an employee at the casino to put in a marked deck,and mike p can do the rest on his own,a key fob or a phone on the table tells him the the two cards everyone is holding,either vocal using a headphone device,or sent to his phone as in text,
Prob could buy the whole package for about $100 or so.
I dont think its a case of someone relaying the cards to him or him having hacked the system, just a good old fashioned case of a marked deck and a bit of inside help to get the deck in the game,though these days instead of using special sunglasses to see the ink marks on the cards,they use a scanner/phone/keyfob to read the marks/barcodes.
Knowing the 2 cards everyone is holding in their hand doesnt mean he will win everytime but does give him a massive advantage,thats why he is in most pots to see the flop and then decide/turn/river and then decide what to do after each street with the advantage he has knowing the 2 cards players are holding.
One question some of you may be able to answer,and if its not happened it would make him the most unique player in the world as well as being a god.
HAS ANYONE SEEN HIM WIN A POT PRE FLOP ON ANY OF THE STREAMS ?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:17 PM   #3964
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Not sure if god-moding (don't think so because makes a very non-god (and very reasonable if not cheating) call on the river a hand or two later with AJo) in this episode from Oct 24, 2018, but this is the best player of all time folks... 23o the god.

https://youtu.be/qn8d3GU6Njw?t=4234
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:18 PM   #3965
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completely ridiculous. if you are doing this only to get more chips in the pot, then you get more chips in the pot, you don't keep the pot small as possible because YOU ****ING KNOW YOU ARE ****ING BEAT! jfc

postle is complete ****ing scum. disgusting
Woah, take it easy. People do stuff like this or audibly moan in spots like this to encourage bluffs. Im not saying thats what happened, Im just sharing my perspective. I appreciate the clip regardless, and I've acknowledged it could be completely genuine.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:19 PM   #3966
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Wasn't it pokertableratings.com, not pokertablerankings.com?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:19 PM   #3967
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Is there a Mike Postle GodMode hand where Mike is not looking at his phone at some point in the hand ?

obv everyone is watching their phone all the time in 2019, But some people can go a hand or 2 without looking at it, especially when they are in the hand themselves.
It would speak for Mike if there would be such a hand where he's not looking But I personally think you can't find one.

It seems clear to me what is going on. The room badly secured the stream, and someone "hacked" / logged into the real time RFID data and is texting Mike real time about his opponents hands.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:20 PM   #3968
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Wasn't it pokertableratings.com, not pokertablerankings.com?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:20 PM   #3969
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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This is from the PLO stream with the RFID error that was found last night.

Listen to what Postle says just as the feed is about to cut

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=17001
"its a good thing i didnt..."? you catch what last few words are?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:20 PM   #3970
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his hat seems abnormally puffy to me. are those hats normally that puffy? maybe someone less lazy than i am wants to look that up.

i couldn't tell what he was saying when the feed cuts out "good thing i...."
I think it's '...good thing I didn't do anything stu(pid)...'

Justin was in the booth just before this, and we know that the booth is only separated from the graphics/real feed by only a curtain.

And yeah there is certainly a weird looking bump in his hat, right by his ear.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:22 PM   #3971
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Wouldn't the right thing to do be something like donating the money to starving children in Africa? I'm not sure what fantasy world you live in that the right thing to do is to donate money to degenerate poker players.
Didn't realize I was arguing with someone whos mentally challenged. No wonder you were defending Postle's intelligence so much, you were personally offended by the attack.

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Yes, because it would be the right thing to do.
That's complete bullshit. Give a cut of retributed losses to someone who drove you to a game knowing that there was a cheater but didn't tell you about it. You're the one living in a dream world.


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So you're alleging that she is complicit.
Its a fact that she did that, watch Berkeys podcast, and im not alleging anything, maybe you are.

Im done talking to you.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:22 PM   #3972
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Freeze frame at 2:10:15 am I the only person who thinks there is a small grey sliver on his bracelet that is a scanner? Looks like a glint at first but it is not and there’s clearly a small grey band on his bracelet. It’s a rigged card deck people, who is in charge of the deck they use?
https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo
Could just be the light reflecting in the bracelet. That said, the bracelet is ****ing suspicious. Since when does a guy like Mike Postle wear black bracelets half way up his forearm as fashion accessories? A bracelet which looks identical to the poker cheating scanner bracelets. It's weird. I think this is a red herring to discuss that sort of cheating but man, the bracelet is ***** weird, and how much he runs over EV is weird, and how he plays in some spots (sometimes betting small vs draws, sometimes jamming to fold them out) is weird. Ugh
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:24 PM   #3973
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I believe she quit right before releasing the tweet. But what is she getting paid like $10/hr? I think she quit her dealer job there like a 1.5 yrs ago so it was more like a social hobby that she got paid a little bit for.

Imagine regs on the stream. Not only are they losing thousands and thousands, they aren't getting the money they may have won on the session, they incur phycological damage, their mental game suffers, they could go on major downswings off stream questioning their game and switching it up for the worse, they could gamble on the side to try and get their losses back an incur more losses.

Veronica also brought players to these games without telling them their was a suspected cheater in it. But its less about whether she deserves it or not and more about it being the right thing to do to donate it to the players. Who knows if theyll ever see a dime and whether she'll ever see a dime. I've always defended and commended her for what she did but I would lose all respect if she kept any money she may or may not receive. I dont really want to argue about this since its all just speculation at this point.



Absolutely not. You want Berkey and Soto to pay her a cut when she could have told them she was driving them to a game with a superuser? Hey, you didn't tell me about the super user in the 2hr car ride we had together, but here's 40% of the money I lost to the cheater.
I have sympathy for veronica because she is in a tough spot, if she makes those players aware that mike is cheating, those players are going to leak it and mike is going to be able to cover his tracks. If you want to charge mike criminally your very likely going to need physical evidence, the math probably will not be enough criminally, civil maybe but not criminally.

The objective is to get physical evidence, any physical evidence is already gone by now.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:25 PM   #3974
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his hat seems abnormally puffy to me. are those hats normally that puffy? maybe someone less lazy than i am wants to look that up.

i couldn't tell what he was saying when the feed cuts out "good thing i...."
Earlier in this thread there are side by side photos comparing this hat with and w/o the puffy sides.

Though he usually wears the normal "non puffy" hat during interviews/commentating and plays with the "bone conduction headphone puffed" hat.

Maybe he just got lazy/forgot here or just had more confidence that night...
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:26 PM   #3975
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HAHAHAHA
that genuine fk i run bad reaction on the turn (river too)
https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=16029


commentary is lol too like "can he find a f.... no ofc he can't fold" etc
Wow, nice finding.

His reaction is so genuine and makes no sense. Someone show this to Joey.
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