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Old 10-04-2019, 11:20 PM   #3526
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Wow

The commentator say Mike went in the back to watch this hand w/ Taylor. Then say that was stupid the players don't go back there !!!

WTFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo?t=8423
Or did he go back to JFK's desk? Here's the actual stream where the audio should be easier to hear: https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=5349
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:20 PM   #3527
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Mike Matusow cucking the entire poker community right now...
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:21 PM   #3528
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

JFK had a problem with alcohol it seems. Someone claims he's in the 12 step programme.

I can't get my head round this guy.

Here is a poker edition of his VLOG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fu2uz53rGU&t=54s

Watch a few mins of it. He just comes across as a massive dork.

Couple that with all the stupid memes, the entertainment aspect etc.

I have this feeling that it is possible that JFK was so blind sided by this dream of having some insane live stream game that it is possible that he just took his eyes off all of his other responsibilities as a poker room manager which allowed Postle to get away with this, along with help from this Taylor dude.

But then you come to this phantom investigation and all of those accounts that Veronica has shared.

Is this guy really that dumb? How did someone like this get into that position.

Could it be possible that he got super friendly with Postle and was taken in by the conman.

Or is he such an insane actor that it is all a ruse and he was the brains behind the operation.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:21 PM   #3529
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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS
My brain doesn't work that well...did they say something about him talking with that taylor guy about reliving trauma or something? Honestly I'm too dumb for this investigative ****.

Edit: Already covered, rake.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:21 PM   #3530
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JOew5mNY9XY&t=245m00s

commentator says is he hacking into the rfid and just knows what everyone has

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:22 PM   #3531
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Joey live now.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:25 PM   #3532
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I bet Matusow knows everyone will watch the simulcast on Joey's stream so Mike won't post the video knowing he won't get the views.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:25 PM   #3533
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imo, it would be extremely hard to get a conviction in a criminal case. theres just too many factors such as ppl not caring, flying under the radar, corruption etc. that said, i think a civil case has a good shot. We aren't trying to prove perfect play, bc he isn't actually playing perfectly. We are trying to prove that he is playing a purely exploitative style with absolute perfect information, which is easier to prove than one might think. You wouldn't have to understand all the nuances of poker. Mb one could start off with a simple toy game of high card where there is only one round of betting and he would fold a K whenever his opponent had an Ace but would raise when he had a K and his opponent had a Q. When he had a 3 and his opponent had a 2, he would just call to induce a bluff and call the raise, always acting perfectly in ever scenario. Couple that with him deep throating his crotch and bulgegate and you'd have a pretty good opening case against him.

i would also get an expert witness who was a statistician/poker play such as Bill Chen or Liv Boeree to testify as they would be able to both understand poker, the statistics as well as how to convey it to the laymen since they are both at one point college professors
I'm just tired of the suggestion that, "there is no smoking gun so we don't know he's cheating". I do know he's cheating because I've seen the hand histories. There is not a .00000001% chance that he's not cheating, there isn't any chance.

He almost never makes a *wrong* decision even though many of his decisions are wildly stupid *and* he's supposed to be a really good player.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:25 PM   #3534
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Podcast is going to be Mike M & Mike P talking about live reads, how much they crushed back in the day and how lesser players just don't get it. Let me know if there's anything worth listening to.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:27 PM   #3535
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Joey live now.
what's he talking about?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:28 PM   #3536
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:29 PM   #3537
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Mikes such an typical Boomer
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:30 PM   #3538
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it works now.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:32 PM   #3539
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NO POSTLE on Matasow interview and mike sounds blasted.

Edit: He is on a bit later. Sounds boring.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:32 PM   #3540
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I have been spending a lot of time going through the streams to determine which ones Mike was cheating and which ones he was not. I listed out all the sessions Mike played since 12/17/18, and marked them as cheating or not cheating (I've only gone through about half of them). I only marked them cheating or not cheating if there was multiple instances which indicated to me 100% definitive evidence, so you will see some marked as "nothing 100% definitive". I have also listed the known whereabouts of Justin Kuraitis and Taylor Smith at the times of these sessions.

12/17/18 - Cheating
1/7/19 - Cheating (Justin in Bahamas)
1/9/19 - (Justin in Bahamas?)
1/12/19 - (Justin in Bahamas?)
1/19/19 -
1/30/19 -
2/9/19 -
2/16/19 -
2/25/19 -
2/27/19 -
3/9/19 -
3/13/19 -
3/16/19 - Cheating (Justin in commentary booth until 3:14:00, at which point he leaves and is replaced by Taylor)
3/25/19 -
4/8/19 -
4/20/19 -
4/22/19 -
4/30/19 -
5/4/19 -
5/8/19 -
5/18/19 -
5/20/19 - Cheating
6/1/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in commentary booth)
6/3/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
6/15/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
6/17/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
7/8/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
7/20/19 - Cheating
7/22/19 - Cheating
7/24/19 - Not Cheating
7/31/19 - Cheating (Justin in Australia? Not sure if he left yet)
8/3/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Australia)
8/7/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Australia)
8/14/19 - Nothing 100% Definitive (Justin is seen in the room but he may be busy and only helping at certain times)
8/17/19 - Not Cheating
8/21/19 - Not 100% Definitive (Justin is seen in the room but he may be busy and only helping at certain times)
9/9/19 - Nothing 100% Definitive
9/18/19 - Not Cheating
9/21/19 - Nothing 100% Definitive

Given that Mike stops cheating when Justin leaves for Vegas, and begins cheating again immediately after he returns, I assumed Mike needed Justin around in order to cheat. However, to my surprise, I found that Mike was still able to cheat while Justin was in the Bahamas on 1/7/19. It was at this point I began to suspect that a 3rd person was involved, but I was not sure who it was. There had been talk of this Taylor guy who had been involved in the changing of the graphics after some suspect hands, but I didn't see any concrete evidence that he was involved in the cheating. Then I started going through the stream on 3/16/19 in which Mike is cheating for the entire length of the session. Justin is in the commentary booth for the first 3:14:00 of the stream, at which point he is replaced by Taylor for the rest of the stream. Seems likely that Taylor was relaying information to Mike while Justin was in the booth, and then they switched roles for the last portion of the stream.


Most convincing evidence implicating Justin:
I was watching a stream on 8/29/18 in which Justin was commentating. Throughout the whole episode, I didn't find a single example where I thought Mike was clearly cheating based on his play. I figured Justin would be in the booth for the entire stream, but to my surprise he dips out of the commentary booth from 3:22:00 to 3:48:00.
Justin leaves: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=12120
Justin returns: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=13680

I continued to watch the hands for anything suspicious, and something very interesting happens in a hand that takes place at the 3:54:00 mark (32 minutes after Justin leaves the commentary booth). Remember that the stream is on a 30-minute delay, meaning that in real time this hand actually occurs 2 minutes after Justin leaves the booth. Also keep in mind that I did not see any plays or mannerisms from Mike prior to this that indicated to me that he was cheating. Take note of how Mike presses down on his hat, points to his cards on the turn, and makes an incorrect value bet on the river because of RFID reader not picking up his opponent's cards (opponent has T9). Below is the link to the hand. Note - you may be confused watching this because Justin is in the commentary booth on the stream, but he was not in the booth 30 minutes before when the hand is actually taking place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQ5...utu.be&t=14040


Most convincing evidence implicating Taylor:
As I noted above, here is the stream where Justin is commentating and is replaced by Taylor at the 3:14:00 mark (Mike is cheating for entire stream):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59ddLJv6mo


Other things to note:
There has been a lot of discussion lately about Mike's keys on the table and his wristband. I noticed that during June when Mike was not cheating, his keys were still on the table and he was wearing the same wristband.

Mike has as much information about the hole cards as the viewers of the stream do. I have seen a couple of examples while Mike is cheating where he makes an incorrect river decision because the stream RFID reader did not pick up his opponent's cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQ5...utu.be&t=14040 (same hand as above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQuQ...utu.be&t=13694
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:33 PM   #3541
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Haven't listened yet but just got notified on my castbox, that mike the mouth is interviewing mike postle on his most recent podcast. Can't wait to hear this clown try and defend himself.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:34 PM   #3542
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPom...ature=youtu.be
ok so justin is clearly 100% in on it. "the devil"
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:35 PM   #3543
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that fantastic breakthrough Say it ain't so Joey moment...


It doesn’t make sense

Its like he knows

It doesn’t make sense

It doesn’t make sense

Its weird
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:36 PM   #3544
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28 minutes till Mike Postle starts talking
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:38 PM   #3545
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Wins 2 million, crushes poker for 16 years, still needs to borrow money and get staked consistently. Obviously most poker pros are the nut low with money management and not degening, but still crazy.

Maybe he is in massive debt to someone and needs to pay them back and was desperate for an edge in a game he was no longer beating with his crazy style?
In my opinion, this is a multi-man operation, which means he's splitting the "winnings".
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:39 PM   #3546
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amazing work crazylegs

that room layout from Veronica is another fascinating dynamic
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:40 PM   #3547
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Matusow sounds awful


....ok this is horrendous
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:43 PM   #3548
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People are acting like the only evidence we could use to convict him is what we have right now. That’s silly. First of all there are even more hands that haven’t been seen yet, right?
Second, once the authorities get involved, they may be able to get access to all sorts of additional incriminating evidence. Personally, as I mentioned previously, I would feel pretty confident as a prosecutor with just what I know now. You don’t need juries to understand how poker and stats work to understand experts saying this is mathematically impossible sans cheating. I don’t think you could get a reliable rebuttal expert to testify the other way.

But I think there’s a lot more that will come out to make it even easier.

I do defense work primarily but if a client came to me and told me the facts of this case and asked if I’d take the case, I’d take it with the caveat that he knew I didn’t think the odds were in our favor.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:44 PM   #3549
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Matusow sounds awful


....ok this is horrendous
+1 So far, so bad. Hope this improves.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:46 PM   #3550
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[x] Saw all the angles
[x] Had the Stones to play one

(If that's been done, sue me. I'm not reading all of this ****.)
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