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Old 10-04-2019, 09:00 PM   #3426
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Is it within reason meaning, not beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is 50 times better than Phil Ivey? I think to convince a jury you would not focus on probs and stats but show 30 hours of Phil Ivey's play compared to 30 hours of Mike Postle's play, after explaining that Phil Ivy is regarded as one the best players in the world.
Ugh, with the edge sorting thing, it's best to stay away from Ivey if you want to convince jury monguises. The best example for the casual non-poker player of a great player is probably

for better or worse

Phillip Jerome Hellmuth Jr.

(Hey, his middle name is Jerome. That's kind of like getting Ivey on the stand!)
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:00 PM   #3427
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After spending too much time on all this i want to put all my thoughts in one place.

With Mike having a sports betting habbit it could be clear hes losing his ass in that and despite winning infinite hes broke every week thats why he needs to have these giant sessions not that he has to split it multiway. Everyone says mike is a loveable guy. Maybe he used this charm to befriend justin and he got a usb stick on justins laptop that streams to his phone everything on justins laptop which he uses for the live stream. This is why Mike loses when Justin is out of town. Watching the interview justin did with mike it seems like justin is straight fangirling over mike. Like just assume for a second justin is just incompetent as hell which he definitely is. He either is dumb enough to not notice the cheating or hes in on it and doesnt realize how obvious it was. He may genuinely think justin is just a sicko and doesn;t realize how impossible all of this is. Don't get me wrong in both situations Justin is guilty in this situation for either being in on it or not protecting his players.

I think theres still an extremely good chance mike was so cocky to think that it wasn't obvious that at some point he would have added a friend or two in the lineup. Now lets assume those people aren't total degens and realize hey i should make it look good. I think we need to be looking at other players more than we are. At some point he would have wanted to make more and more. He thought he could have gotten away with it for all time because noone watches this game ever. This isn't high stakes poker with guy, ivey and durr its random 1-3 game in cali. I would bet almost noone watches this unless they have a friend or family member in the game and when they aren't in the lineup they don't watch it. Now take in how much he was winning that means a ton of people are getting buried. Those people are ging to stop going pretty quick. So how many people who have a any poker knowledge religiously watched the stream to think somethings up.

Again i am not clearing justin or in his side at all. Justin is clearly dumb as rocks to either not notice whats going on or not telling mike to slow it down. Any person with a brain would have played straight up nonstop but just superused in big pots.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:02 PM   #3428
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Sorry if this was posted already. Pretty interesting possibility...

https://twitter.com/vdthemyk/status/...390648832?s=20

maybe hes making good points as an it guy but its pure speculation, and i mean pure.... speculation. plus we already know the security is way below what it should be from Berkeys podcast.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:04 PM   #3429
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I also don't think mike knows what cards are going to come. My main reason for this is when he has aces vs kxdd the guy runs out a flush on him. He checked the flop bc guy wouldnt have called a bet with no pair no draw. He intentionally waited for a turn hoping hed pair or pick up a flush draw. Then he made him pay for the draw and when he hit he snap folded. If he knew he was going to lose the runout he would have bet flop and took it down.

Also if you remember the 95 os vs 46ss vs aq..he jams j9x flop into aq knowing guy has no pair. AQ would have bricked out. if he had his knowledge he would have checked to induce aq to jam into him and he would have snapped off. I think he definitely didn't know the runouts unless it changed over time.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:10 PM   #3430
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I also don't think mike knows what cards are going to come. My main reason for this is when he has aces vs kxdd the guy runs out a flush on him. He checked the flop bc guy wouldnt have called a bet with no pair no draw. He intentionally waited for a turn hoping hed pair or pick up a flush draw. Then he made him pay for the draw and when he hit he snap folded. If he knew he was going to lose the runout he would have bet flop and took it down.

Also if you remember the 95 os vs 46ss vs aq..he jams j9x flop into aq knowing guy has no pair. AQ would have bricked out. if he had his knowledge he would have checked to induce aq to jam into him and he would have snapped off. I think he definitely didn't know the runouts unless it changed over time.
Agree with this. From everything I've seen, it makes way more sense to me that he knows the cards other players have but not what will come. And I mean, that's much easier to do on a live-streamed event and automatically makes you a nearly unbeatable God to begin with, so why even bother with other stuff?
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:10 PM   #3431
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Is it within reason meaning, not beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is 50 times better than Phil Ivey? I think to convince a jury you would not focus on probs and stats but show 30 hours of Phil Ivey's play compared to 30 hours of Mike Postle's play, after explaining that Phil Ivy is regarded as one the best players in the world.
While you know who Phil Ivey is an average juror would likely have no idea. Thus, a defense attorney could argue to a jury that MP is the best in the world. He could argue that there is no way for the prosecution to prove that he isn't the best. I might argue something like " just because Michael Jordan (or Tiger Woods, choose your own sports hero) was the best player of his time does that prove he was a cheater?. Considering the burden of proof in criminal cases (beyond a reasonable doubt) and the fact that a 12 member jury must all reach a determination of guilt (one juror who refuses to vote guilty will hang a jury) this is by no means a certain conviction barring forensic evidence being uncovered.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:11 PM   #3432
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I also don't think mike knows what cards are going to come. My main reason for this is when he has aces vs kxdd the guy runs out a flush on him. He checked the flop bc guy wouldnt have called a bet with no pair no draw. He intentionally waited for a turn hoping hed pair or pick up a flush draw. Then he made him pay for the draw and when he hit he snap folded. If he knew he was going to lose the runout he would have bet flop and took it down.
I think what a lot of people are missing about the key fob / bracelet community card reader theory is, the people bringing it up aren't under the hard assumption that he knows future cards, and are fishing for crazy ways to justify their assumption/speculation. No, its the evidence which leads them to the possibility. There is a clear distinction between outright speculation and using empirical evidence to hypothesize and create logical theories.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:14 PM   #3433
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Im sure this has been mentioned before... but why on earth would Postle go on Matesow's podcast? Even if by some miracle he is innocent, I can't imagine going on his podcast would help anything.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:17 PM   #3434
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Im sure this has been mentioned before... but why on earth would Postle go on Matesow's podcast? Even if by some miracle he is innocent, I can't imagine going on his podcast would help anything.
Mike M is the softest interview ever since he doesn’t understand basic math.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:17 PM   #3435
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While you know who Phil Ivey is an average juror would likely have no idea. Thus, a defense attorney could argue to a jury that MP is the best in the world. He could argue that there is no way for the prosecution to prove that he isn't the best. I might argue something like " just because Michael Jordan (or Tiger Woods, choose your own sports hero) was the best player of his time does that prove he was a cheater?. Considering the burden of proof in criminal cases (beyond a reasonable doubt) and the fact that a 12 member jury must all reach a determination of guilt (one juror who refuses to vote guilty will hang a jury) this is by no means a certain conviction barring forensic evidence being uncovered.
You missed my first sentence about being 50 *times* better instead of 1% better. Is it reasonably possible that a new player came to the NBA and be 50 times better than Jordan? Do you think that's possible?

I think the fight would be in how much better Mike is than Phil, is he really 50x better or just 10% better and I would teach the jury poker and show them lots of footage of both players playing and let them decide. I may also include some math and maybe the opinions of expert players if such a thing would be permitted.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:18 PM   #3436
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Im sure this has been mentioned before... but why on earth would Postle go on Matesow's podcast? Even if by some miracle he is innocent, I can't imagine going on his podcast would help anything.
Who understands the inner workings of narcissistic sociopaths? Why would Robert Durst agree to create a docuseries on HBO that led to his confession? Mb a psychologist could explain this phenomenon.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:18 PM   #3437
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Im sure this has been mentioned before... but why on earth would Postle go on Matesow's podcast? Even if by some miracle he is innocent, I can't imagine going on his podcast would help anything.
Probably same reason he didn't realize he needed to lose sometimes so that his cheating wouldn't be hilariously obvious to everyone. He's stupid
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:18 PM   #3438
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I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT......but sorry to disappoint, I'm just some calling station from Arizona who can't fold a pair.
Sorry don't know how to delete posts but yah my mistake I just heard them call you Taylor in the commentator booth and your full name wasn't on the broadcast.

After hearing Berkey explain your strategy of knowing he's trying to blow you off of bluff catchers the play makes perfect sense (also if you sort of knew he was a cheater at this point lol)
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:26 PM   #3439
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Under over of number minutes before Mike M tells everyone he once had 54 winning sessions in a row?



Mike M

Here's a soft question.

Ask him what should have been done with Russ Hamilton.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:28 PM   #3440
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Under over of number minutes before Mike M tells everyone he once had 54 winning sessions in a row?



Mike M

Here's a soft question.

Ask him what should have been done with Russ Hamilton.
the podcast is a recording, not a live stream


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Old 10-04-2019, 09:29 PM   #3441
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Watching berkeys steam they brought up a good point. They didn't want the stream to get big because more eyes would be watching and they could get caught. I think more people had to be questioning everything behind the scenes than just veronica. I assume the guy operating the camera doesn't know poker so the commentary people would be most likely to catch everything. The dealers are never dealing long enough to question things and they can't see the hole cards either and 0 chance they'd care to watch the stream later.

Also lets talk about how unprofessional the pokerroom in general. Lets go with the assumption noone thinks cheating is going on. How absolutely absurd are those memes. They are practically making a mockery of the people losing. It just feels gross even if no cheating is going on. I feel like if this happened in any other poker room he would have never gotten away with it with how much he was flaunting it.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:31 PM   #3442
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the podcast is a recording, not a live stream

I'm a bit surprised Mike Postle does things on a delay.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:34 PM   #3443
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Hey guys, I just heard back from WPN security. They confirm nothing to see here and approve of the way Stones handled the internal investigation.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:35 PM   #3444
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I'm a bit surprised Mike Postle does things on a delay.

It looks like Joey will be delay streaming the mouth's podcast?




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Old 10-04-2019, 09:38 PM   #3445
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One thing that noone mentions is why did stones save and archive every single stream if the director justin knew about the cheating? He was in charge of the social media... If he was in on it why not lock the videos to subscribers and not have all the archives just blatently there? Im confused about this. Its like robbing 1000 stores with a mask then posting the robbery on your youtube 1000 times. Sooner or later someone is going to realize who is behind that mask!

Also maybe Mike thought of taking a break from cheating and thats why he took time off from doing it this summer. He knew he was under a microscope, so he cheated less and less.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:40 PM   #3446
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can someone direct me to the leaked texts from postle to veronica
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:41 PM   #3447
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Some post ITT said that Postle would quickly rack up and leave every time after the stream ended (makes sense if his cheating involved exploiting the stream); and the streams show entire sessions (i.e. it's not curated for only big hands like the old wsop broadcasts), yes?

So shouldn't there be a fairly exact tally of just how much he took out of the game? I think I saw the figure approx ~$250K ITT, but don't we have video of essentially every hand of every session he played when the cheating was ostensibly going on? And if so, wouldn't it be pretty trivial to tally it up?

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Old 10-04-2019, 09:41 PM   #3448
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One thing that noone mentions is why did stones save and archive every single stream if the director justin knew about the cheating? He was in charge of the social media... If he was in on it why not lock the videos to subscribers and not have all the archives just blatently there? Im confused about this. Its like robbing 1000 stores with a mask then posting the robbery on your youtube 1000 times. Sooner or later someone is going to realize who is behind that mask!

Also maybe Mike thought of taking a break from cheating and thats why he took time off from doing it this summer. He knew he was under a microscope, so he cheated less and less.

I wonder now after that s4y vlog, if veronica and kasey had suspicions and had s4y or others out there without any pretext/warning for after the fact confirmation... why not just ask them or others to spend 10 or 20 hours combing thru the 200+ hrs of YT content and see if something strange was going on?



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Old 10-04-2019, 09:43 PM   #3449
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One thing that noone mentions is why did stones save and archive every single stream if the director justin knew about the cheating? He was in charge of the social media... If he was in on it why not lock the videos to subscribers and not have all the archives just blatently there? Im confused about this. Its like robbing 1000 stores with a mask then posting the robbery on your youtube 1000 times. Sooner or later someone is going to realize who is behind that mask!

Also maybe Mike thought of taking a break from cheating and thats why he took time off from doing it this summer. He knew he was under a microscope, so he cheated less and less.
Justin said Mike was winning because he uses the Martingale system, it’s been pretty well established that Justin is an idiot
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:46 PM   #3450
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I wonder now after that s4y vlog, if veronica and kasey had suspicions and had s4y or others out there without any pretext/warning for after the fact confirmation... why not just ask them or others to spend 10 or 20 hours combing thru the 200+ hrs of YT content and see if something strange was going on?


I doubt it.Its not like they came up to play some 1-3 game and is whatever to them. Id be pissed if someone had good feeling cheating was going on had me sit to try and confirm it knowing i could lose tens of thousands and may never get money back. Also 1 session may not be enough to prove anything. Also if mike was under investigation he may only super use a few times in a big game because he can put out the same hourly only cheating few times session because the stakes are raised.
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