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Old 10-04-2019, 07:44 PM   #3376
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I think it's cool people are looking at other angles with RFID readers and bracelets etc, I remain open-minded, but it's kind of a distraction as well. JFK mirrored the stream to Postle's phone, replaced by JFK told Postle the cards via bluetooth hat, is still by far the simplest theory best supported by lots of evidence. All the 1-man job theories ignore all the evidence against JFK (out of town performances, poor investigations, graphics changes for cards that were never tabled, JFK going into chat to verbally reinforce the graphics change etc). The 1-man job theories get a little wonky on the tech side then leave the JFK behavior completely unexplained.

JFK mirrored the stream, then JFK talked to the bluetooth hat. It's that simple.
+1 to this. If there were a few more sessions like the one when JFK was in Vegas, he would have a plausible defense. The key piece of evidence here I s you cannot play a high variance style without ever experience variance. That session basically puts a bullet into the 1-man theory.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:44 PM   #3377
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This is Taylor Carroll. A high stakes player.
The other Taylor, the one working at Stones, is named Taylor Smith. Not the same guy.
Taylor Carroll is the hero playing here against the villain Postle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1UjP-UpX8
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:46 PM   #3378
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Oh one more angle that I think was overlooked, everyone says Justin going out of town during the noncheating incriminates him, what if this made the graphics guy Taylor smith have to fill a different role in production because of Justin’s vacation. A role where Taylor wasn’t in the back room while Justin was gone because he was needed elsewhere. Sorry for posting so frequently but I genuinely think I am helping a lot with these observations I can’t keep my mouth shut with these things I’ve noticed
That's already been brought up. It's a possibility, but there's several other aspects that suggest JFK was involved. JFK going into chat during the graphics change broadcast to re-assert it to the chat, JFK being the main person accusers went to and then leading investigations nowhere, the fact that everyone else was accountable to JFK but JFK wasn't clearly accountable to anyone, etc.

The bracelet theory is, a huge red herring. Before the hat, he kept his hand low because he was still using his phone. People are trying to say Postle invented all this James Bond cheating technology, but alternatively, he ordered a $150 bluetooth conductive headphone off of Amazon and JFK spoke to him over it. And if you come up with a 1-man job theory, you have to explain JFK's bizarre behavior.

JFK mirrored to the phone, then later spoke into the bluetooth hat. It's a super simple explanation, but people are still watching hundreds of hours of Youtube going pixel by pixel to put forth more complex and less supported ones.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:47 PM   #3379
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Solid info in there. I'm still confused about the 86o/98ss thing though. I probably need to sleep on it.

One thing that struck me was he said that major streams like the WSOP have their streaming server in a room protected by armed guards. Stones just has a curtain between the commentators and the editor/producer.
Most likely Nevada Gaming and California Gaming Commission have different standards when it comes to monitoring streamed games in casino properties. Given the importance of casinos/gaming to the state of Nevada, it would be logical to assume Nevada has the most stringent gaming regulations of any State in the US.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:47 PM   #3380
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Solid info in there. I'm still confused about the 86o/98ss thing though. I probably need to sleep on it.

One thing that struck me was he said that major streams like the WSOP have their streaming server in a room protected by armed guards. Stones just has a curtain between the commentators and the editor/producer.
Basically once you broadcast to OBS, its on there, you can't go back into it and make graphical changes, its almost as if youve already gone live, except OBS then broadcasts on youtube/twitch on a 30 min delay, but you can't go back once its broadcast to OBS. That means that the editor would have had to have done it live himself, which is just impossible, why would he ever do that. How could Postle have known it was misread to alert anyone in the first place?
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:47 PM   #3381
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Wow at 1:08:50 of the march 5 2017 125k spring classic won by Mike Postle for 36k, fat train Justin Kelly says I'm just waiting for Postle to eat more of that pizza so I can get paid! What does this mean? Good natured joke and innocently has a piece of Mike in this tourney? or something more sinister?

Before the break Norm and Justin Kelly (not to be confused with Justin Kuraitis TD) were saying salads are normally good food to eat for luck at the table but Mike Postle was eating pizza during the stream and knocked out a player for 10bb with 44 vs ace7 and right before the break Postle doubled up with a set of 888 on a 3flush pot vs KK with flush draw.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:47 PM   #3382
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When does he go on the mouthpiece is it tonight?
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:52 PM   #3383
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who wants to listen to 2 hours of complete lies, blatant cheating, and total delusional nonsense?

and mike postle is there too
How dumb can you be to do a 2 hour interview when it is very likely you will face a criminal investigation?
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:55 PM   #3384
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If I were Mike Postle heres what i would say

-first of all the winning session numbers are way off, i wish i had that many winning sessions, they don't count the initial all in we all play so we can buy in matching the big stack, they also aren't even close on the rebuys, and even sometimes they don't even have my starting buy in right
-Ive played this style for years and even with a high VPIP i am able to make reads and adjustments in real time to compensate for my weaker starting hands.
-I am playing stakes that are too low for me so i play even more hands and i play these stakes because i enjoy being on the stream.
-i have beat this specific game since 2016 without incident
-I sometimes play when I've had a little too much to drink so some of my plays appear crazy and illogical, drinking also makes it hard to walk someone through my thought process in a hand review
-i play with the same people so I've been able to acquire physical tells and betting patterns on them, these are 1/3 players, its not that hard to crack this game
-lastly why? i am a winning player and thats on record before the "shifty" behavior and "ridiculous" plays started to be observed

Lets see if he says any of these things.
His pre-scandal interviews, and post-scandal tweets, texts, DMs etc pretty much refers to all of the above points.

The one thing he needs to say (and then do) to prove his innocence is 'I will play at a neutral venue, streamed live without RFID or hole card info available, without any hat/phone etc over multiple sessions, and I will play the same way and win the same way as I have over 16 years'.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:58 PM   #3385
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If Justin is really innocent he should be pissed off beyond belief finding out what the hell happened in his room. Seriously!
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:58 PM   #3386
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Basically once you broadcast to OBS, its on there, you can't go back into it and make graphical changes, its almost as if youve already gone live, except OBS then broadcasts on youtube/twitch on a 30 min delay, but you can't go back once its broadcast to OBS. That means that the editor would have had to have done it live himself, which is just impossible, why would he ever do that. How could Postle have known it was misread to alert anyone in the first place?
Yeah. Some people can't seem to grasp why the 98s hand is basically a lock that he had an inside man in the production team.

I suggest anyone who still doesn't get it to try and digest these 3 posts





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Old 10-04-2019, 07:59 PM   #3387
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Matt Berkey solved the case in the podcast at around 30 min mark. Knowledge is everything.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:59 PM   #3388
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How dumb can you be to do a 2 hour interview when it is very likely you will face a criminal investigation?
Lol I can’t see this being a good idea, I’m guessing he hasn’t talked to a lawyer
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:00 PM   #3389
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During the fox 40 news clip Oct 3 Thursday night they read off a statement from Patrick Harbison with the words spokesperson for stones gambling hall.

https://fox40.com/2019/10/03/poker-w...g-allegations/
1:37 into 2:08 clip

His business website doesn't list Stones as a client:
https://www.patrickharbisonpublicrelations.com/clients
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:01 PM   #3390
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The guy is likely going to face charges for stealing a quarter of a million dollars. Saying *anything* publicly is incredibly stupid. Thankfully he's too stupid to just shut up, get a lawyer and take a month long vacation out of town while the story dies down a bit. That is the only intelligent thing to do.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:03 PM   #3391
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Is this podcast with the mouth even going to be coherent? Had Matusow's twitter in a tab waiting for him to post it and he tweets some batshit stuff. He's more gone than I had realized. Jesus christ.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:04 PM   #3392
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The casino has to protect Mike in order to protect itself, but because the casino can't control the narrative, the second best thing they can do now is throw Mike under the bus.
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How dumb can you be to do a 2 hour interview when it is very likely you will face a criminal investigation?
He's a narcissist.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:05 PM   #3393
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During the fox 40 news clip Oct 3 Thursday night they read off a statement from Patrick Harbison with the words spokesperson for stones gambling hall.

https://fox40.com/2019/10/03/poker-w...g-allegations/
1:37 into 2:08 clip

His business website doesn't list Stones as a client:
https://www.patrickharbisonpublicrelations.com/clients
So what?
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:05 PM   #3394
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Has anyone ran the 54o hand through pio just to make sure it isn't GTO?
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:05 PM   #3395
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Is this podcast with the mouth even going to be coherent? Had Matusow's twitter in a tab waiting for him to post it and he tweets some batshit stuff. He's more gone than I had realized. Jesus christ.
No, but that's probably better for people hoping Mike faces punishment. It's bad for anyone that is interested in this, I'm not going to listen to two hours of Matusow. I don't wish that upon anyone in this thread.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:07 PM   #3396
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Has anyone ran the 54o hand through pio just to make sure it isn't GTO?
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:08 PM   #3397
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What's interesting to think about is that DNA evidence is often used for pretty automatic convictions in court. The statistics behind Postle's hands are literally more compelling than DNA evidence. Statistically speaking it is more likely to get a false positive from a DNA test than for Postle to have done this legitimately. Yet no court will understand poker or statistics well enough to grasp this, so it all comes down to if people rat him out.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:09 PM   #3398
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-lastly why? i am a winning player and thats on record before the "shifty" behavior and "ridiculous" plays started to be observed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzoaY_tmHg8&t=400
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:12 PM   #3399
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IANAL, but I've had some experience being prosecuted (ahem), I think it could be up to 1 year for each count and I would bet that each session could be considered a separate incident (??), therefore separate counts.



Apologies if this has already been responded to, I seem to be unable to keep up with the flood of messages ITT.
I am a criminal defense attorney in CA. I've played on the Stones Live game, though not against Mike, and I've given this a lot of thought over the last few dsys.

The meat of the charges against Mike would be violations of Penal Code Sec. 332. That code says that cheating at a game to gain an unfair advantage over other players means that your winnings are fraudulently obtained, and it is punishable as larceny of the amount obtained.

Larceny is punishable as a misdemeanor (maximum 6 months in jail) if the amount stolen is $950 or less. It can be a felony, grand theft, if the amount is greater than $950.

I think there'd be a strong argument that Mike could not just be prosecuted for each individual session, as you speculate. You're right. He could and likely would be prosecuted for each individual session.

More than that though, I think that Mike could face a distinct felony charge of grand theft for every single pot won where he profited more than $950.

The first grand theft charge he was convicted of could carry up to 3 years in jail. Each additional count could carry an additional 8 months.

That thought is really just an exercise in what-ifs though. He wouldn't ever be charged in that manner, because:

1. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he cheated during a session is significantly easier and less time-consuming than proving cheating in individual hands, and

2. At ~60 cheating sessions, that's more than enough potential jail time to throw around at the negotiating table, and easily enough to satisfy any reasonable opinion on what would be a just sentence.

Details that may be somewhat peculiar to California, if anybody cares (this is all assuming Mike doesn't just receive probation. I can't fathom that he would.):

- In this circumstance, sentences on individual counts could be run concurrently, in whole or in part. Going down on 60 counts doesn't automatically equate to a 40+ year sentence.

- Because of prison overcrowding in California, assuming that Mike has no prior serious or violent felony offenses, and isn't a registered sex offender, he'd serve the custody portion of his sentence in jail, not prison.

- Mike would be presumptively elligible for a "split sentence" on his jail time. A portion of his sentence would be served in custody. The remainder would be served on "mandatory supervision." He'd effectively be serving the rest of his sentence on probation, and could return to custody for some or all whatever time remains on his sentence if he violated.

- Assuming Mike didn't lose good time or work time credits for disciplinary reasons in jail, he'd only actually serve half of the custody time imposed. It's also possible that he could serve a portion of the custody time at home in an ankle monitor.





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Old 10-04-2019, 08:13 PM   #3400
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Plot twist- it's the sim playing tricks on us. If you rearrange the name Michael Postle it spells Simple Ol Cheat.
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