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Old 10-04-2019, 07:06 PM   #3351
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Why is Postle banned from Caesars properties?
For touching his hat, then calling with 7 high.
Nah no idea mate.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:09 PM   #3352
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Yea the Berkey podcast is good.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:13 PM   #3353
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Why is Postle banned from Caesars properties?
I did a search of this thread, here's post #3034:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jdsX8vkMI

Someone posted this link before. It's a Stones stream where the video is down, so Mike comes into the booth to talk for an hour.

He talks about how a prostitute came up to him and a buddy in Caesars, and after kicking her out, security talks to him and a buddy in which they are jackasses, and they get kicked out too and are arrested by cops. Later he talks about being pick pocketed down south somewhere, then confronts the person in a casino there, and gets banned from a Harrah/Caesars. Don't know if he is fully believable, but just comes off as really douchey.

At 2:40:00 he starts talking about cheating in poker....the irony. He talks about the UB or Absolute Bet scandal and how he was affected and how he was one of the first people to report it to the company.

The video just gives a good impression about who he is, and is worth a watch.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:14 PM   #3354
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

As someone who has read the majority of this thread now I think it would be useful to recap the reasons that it seems we have gone from finding the 1-man operation theory pretty viable to now much more favoring the theory of involvement of multiple guilty parties.

Currently, the evidence indeed points to another individual or individuals helping to relay the information to his phone rather than use of a technology to read the RFIDs straight to his phone in a 1-man operation.

1. According to multiple sources (Veronica, twitter location stamps, JFK commentating), exactly during the time Justin Kuraitis (JFK) has a business hiatus in Las Vegas in the Summer of 2019, MP goes through a long string of absences from the stream during which he comes in only for a few smaller stakes sessions. Not only are his results during this time (adjusted by BBs) an order of magnitude worse than virtually all sessions he has played for over a year, but his style for these sessions is totally different. He plays much faster, doesn't look down at his phone while he plays, takes breaks, wears his hat differently, has a different posture, plays much fewer hands, folds to bluffs, less aggressive postflop, etc. This coincidence strongly implies that he is unable to cheat without JFK there, perhaps knowingly helping.

2. Purported technology experts in this thread have claimed that a device that can access RFID information from all the cards on the table from MP's seat in real time would need to be very sophisticated or impossible. Additionally such a device could be detected with an RFID sniffer that a casino investigating cheating could employ. A big question here is whether Mike owned a company that installed the RFID system at Stones and whether doing so would allow him to also send the RFID hole-card information to his phone using that system.

3. Mike is allegedly friends with the majority of the Stones staff including JFK who seem to be covering for him. There have been 2 or more instances when supposed incorrect graphics were used by Stones employees (Taylor Smith or other people creating the graphics for the show) to explain Mike's strange river decisions when suspicions were raised. Some familiar with the way the technology works say the explanations are far fetched if not technically impossible. JFK tweets for Stones that the allegations are "entirely fabricated" and conducts a video interview with Mike seemingly looking to downplay his GodMode and justify his play style. These people could certainly be expected to rush to his defense if they were involved.

4. The thread seems to have come to the conclusion that the method by which Mike was likely receiving the hole card information changed at some point during his run. In older streams, he tanks while glancing at his phone constantly during big hands. In later streams, (after a ban on phones at the table) he acts more quickly, isn't looking down anymore, but can be seen adjusting his hat many times during big decisions. To explain this change and a noticible bulge in his hat, many speculate that he is using a bluetooth bone conduction device which can be sewn into a cap. This device acts as an earpiece that can transmit sound as vibrations into the user's inner ear only heard by the user. While the phone technique could be automated in a 1-man operation, the bone conduction device seems likely to imply the involvement of a compatriot talking directly to him to feed him the hole card information.

5. Veronica is let go from her commentating job. Perhaps backlash for her suspicions by the person(s) involved trying to keep things quiet at the casino?

6. Presumably a 1-man operation could run a little less conspicuously than the way Mike seems to be cheating. Partner(s) may require playing for quicker gains to pay them their cut(s) or hasten the conclusion of the operation to reduce the chance of word getting out.

Are there other reasons I've missed that might justify taking an investigation into likely compatriots seriously?
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:18 PM   #3355
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Let's not get our panties in a postle
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:19 PM   #3356
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

If I were Mike Postle heres what i would say

-first of all the winning session numbers are way off, i wish i had that many winning sessions, they don't count the initial all in we all play so we can buy in matching the big stack, they also aren't even close on the rebuys, and even sometimes they don't even have my starting buy in right
-Ive played this style for years and even with a high VPIP i am able to make reads and adjustments in real time to compensate for my weaker starting hands.
-I am playing stakes that are too low for me so i play even more hands and i play these stakes because i enjoy being on the stream.
-i have beat this specific game since 2016 without incident
-I sometimes play when I've had a little too much to drink so some of my plays appear crazy and illogical, drinking also makes it hard to walk someone through my thought process in a hand review
-i play with the same people so I've been able to acquire physical tells and betting patterns on them, these are 1/3 players, its not that hard to crack this game
-lastly why? i am a winning player and thats on record before the "shifty" behavior and "ridiculous" plays started to be observed

Lets see if he says any of these things.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:21 PM   #3357
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If I were Mike Postle heres what i would say

-first of all the winning session numbers are way off, i wish i had that many winning sessions, they don't count the initial all in we all play so we can buy in matching the big stack, they also aren't even close on the rebuys, and even sometimes they don't even have my starting buy in right
-Ive played this style for years and even with a high VPIP i am able to make reads and adjustments in real time to compensate for my weaker starting hands.
-I am playing stakes that are too low for me so i play even more hands and i play these stakes because i enjoy being on the stream.
-i have beat this specific game since 2016 without incident
-I sometimes play when I've had a little too much to drink so some of my plays appear crazy and illogical, drinking also makes it hard to walk someone through my thought process in a hand review
-i play with the same people so I've been able to acquire physical tells and betting patterns on them, these are 1/3 players, its not that hard to crack this game
-lastly why? i am a winning player and thats on record before the "shifty" behavior and "ridiculous" plays started to be observed

Lets see if he says any of these things.
you gotta get shifty
take off your keys and keyfobs
put them on the table
take a look at your phone
you gotta get shifty
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:21 PM   #3358
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Yes I believe that he is paranoid about the hokey bracelet that’s why he keeps his left hand under table that whole session. He knows that it might draw attention and is rightfully paranoid. That and the keys are simple rfid cameras that relay info to his phone. This is the same thing that has happened in other cases and as we’ve seen anybody can get their hands in this stuff it’s not difficult. I think this simple common cheating method is what was happening. The guy is a known swindler according to his brother he was probably ecstatic to find these devices readily available. But in the back of his mind he knew the bracelets risky. It is almost always concealed and for good reason https://youtu.be/etBIjFw1NiI
This bracelet looks so so weird.

Great spot sir
https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo?t=7373
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:22 PM   #3359
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As someone who has read the majority of this thread now I think it would be useful to recap the reasons that it seems we have gone from finding the 1-man operation theory pretty viable to now much more favoring the theory of involvement of multiple guilty parties.
I didn't read this post but the internet is bad enough, I certainly don't think a recap from a 1 post "stranger" should be trusted. Sorry if you're just trying to help.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:25 PM   #3360
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Yes at 2 hours and 9 minutes into joeys investigation number 4. He is literally pointing it at the table when he has K5 clubs. People you can literally see the small grey camera band. He messed up because he usually wears sleeves. 2 hours 9 minutes that is the bracelet that is the camera clear as day. Compare it to the YouTube demonstration of the bracelet this is the smoking gun people. Joey kept saying what is different. What is different is he is betting with his right hand and hiding his left wrist with bracelet under the table all night as opposed to him normally betting with that hand when he is using his hat method. There is also a camera in his hat . That is why he looks down to aim the camera. I’ve been up 24 hours studying this guys please look into what I’m saying.
Thanks for the timestamp, yea that definitely looks fishy af, also saw it twice in the Matt Berkey stream.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:26 PM   #3361
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Some solid insight in this podcast from Berkey, as he's got a lot of inside info about how the rfid works, editing works, played with him, etc. He has great insight on that 86 to 9s8s "hand malfunction". Halfway through and highly recommend it.
agree, but doesn't know for sure if graphics can be amended as stream going out.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:28 PM   #3362
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If I were Mike Postle heres what i would say

-...they don't count the initial all in we all play so we can buy in matching the big stack...
That still wouldn't have any affect on his insanely high win-rate during normal play, which is the glaring issue. Wrong buy-ins and re-buys definitely would though.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:30 PM   #3363
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at this point the question is not whether he's a cheater, it's what happens to him now that he is a cheater.
Wrap him up in barb wire and roll him down a hill.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:30 PM   #3364
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This is pretty damning too since it appears to be the same "Taylor" that works at stones and is possibly a co-conspirator. The fact that MP is running a huge bluff and getting "caught" by someone that might be an accomplice is pretty sketch.

Taking into account that there's now some evidence that community cards were possibly known ahead of time picking JJ vs 72 w/ an AAx board is the perfect set up. Have MP 3-bet knowing AAx was coming then triple barrel into Taylor effectively chip dumping to a co-conspirator then also using it as "proof" of bluffs gone wrong.
Just wanted to post that these are two different Taylors.

The guy in the Polk video is a LATB reg, not affiliated with Stones in any way.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:30 PM   #3365
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If I were Mike Postle heres what i would say
-I sometimes play when I've had a little too much to drink so some of my plays appear crazy and illogical, drinking also makes it hard to walk someone through my thought process in a hand review
Appear crazy and illogical but always work out perfect!
He’s not cheating, alcohol turns him into a GOD.
Mike ‘the wine was flowing’ Postle.
Nothing to see here.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:31 PM   #3366
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Yes Joey says he’s doing this new thing with his hand like a Tom Dwan thing. He is aiming the bracelet camera at the table the same way he looks down and aims his hat at the table. Again the clearest imagine of the camera is 2:10:15 you can CLEARLY see the glint of the lens . You can see it with your own eyes in this rare slip up people. It’s this same device https://youtu.be/etBIjFw1NiI. Postles is a bit newer because that is an old video but look at the grey band that is the same thing you see at 2:10:15
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:32 PM   #3367
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I think it's cool people are looking at other angles with RFID readers and bracelets etc, I remain open-minded, but it's kind of a distraction as well. JFK mirrored the stream to Postle's phone, replaced by JFK told Postle the cards via bluetooth hat, is still by far the simplest theory best supported by lots of evidence. All the 1-man job theories ignore all the evidence against JFK (out of town performances, poor investigations, graphics changes for cards that were never tabled, JFK going into chat to verbally reinforce the graphics change etc). The 1-man job theories get a little wonky on the tech side then leave the JFK behavior completely unexplained.

JFK mirrored the stream, then JFK talked to the bluetooth hat. It's that simple.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:35 PM   #3368
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I am the guy that hero called Postle with JJ when he had 72. Immediately following the stream Postle came up to me and told me that wouldn't happen again and followed up with an open invitation to play whenever I would like.
This is Taylor Carroll. A high stakes player.
The other Taylor, the one working at Stones, is named Taylor Smith. Not the same guy.
Taylor Carroll is the hero playing here against the villain Postle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1UjP-UpX8

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Old 10-04-2019, 07:35 PM   #3369
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Great podcast by Berkey and Christian. I agree with a lot of what Berkey says in his stream but I don't think this is as bad for the poker community as he does, at least not in the long run. This is a necessary growing pain for poker. Everyone is a little bit wiser and knowledgable about how to protect themselves and we've proven that we can pull together as a community to fight for what is right. At the very least, his poker career and reputation is ruined, and there may be some retribution in civil lawsuits. I also doubt, as Berkey does, that any criminal charges will be brought against him, unfortunately, but you never know, something might come up. I just don't have too much faith in Stones to get the job done.

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Old 10-04-2019, 07:35 PM   #3370
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Postle's defence to his friends reminds me of Torelli's approach to defending himself, Torelli basically made out that he was the unfair victim of attacks, and pretty much avoided answering the specific allegations against him during his self defence video.

So far Postle similarly has not defended himself by addressing the charges against him, and diverts to non related issues, it sounds as if Matusow just let him talk, rather than pushing him hard for answers to difficult questions.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:36 PM   #3371
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This bracelet looks so so weird.

Great spot sir
https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo?t=7373
this story is so fascinating to me.


that bracelet is suspect
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:40 PM   #3372
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Oh one more angle that I think was overlooked, everyone says Justin going out of town during the noncheating incriminates him, what if this made the graphics guy Taylor smith have to fill a different role in production because of Justin’s vacation. A role where Taylor wasn’t in the back room while Justin was gone because he was needed elsewhere. Sorry for posting so frequently but I genuinely think I am helping a lot with these observations I can’t keep my mouth shut with these things I’ve noticed
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:40 PM   #3373
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I agree with a lot of what Berkey says in his stream but I don't think this is as bad for the poker community as he does, at least in the long run. This is a necessary growing pain for poker. Everyone is a little bit wiser and knowledgable about how to protect themselves and we've proven that we can pull together as a community to fight for what is right. At the very least, his poker career and reputation is ruined, and there may be some retribution in civil lawsuits. I also doubt, as Berkey does, that any criminal charges will be brought against him, unfortunately, but you never know, something might come up. I just don't have too much faith in Stones to get the job done.
Stones wouldn't be the party determining if criminal charges are to be laid.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:42 PM   #3374
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm watching the march 2017 stones spring classic final table where Mike Postle wins 1st place for 36k. At 1:03:40 during the tournament break Justin K has an interview with Mike Postle that was recorded sometime before the tournament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5cg...x=1142&t=2479s

In this interview you can clearly see Mike's white under armour hat. He has it on backwards and there doesn't seem to be any bulges on the side of it. Try to compare the hat to when he wears it forward at the table during his winning sessions.

He remembers the hand clearly and talks more coherently than that 35 minute youtube clip interview with Justin in January 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5cg...x=1142&t=2479s
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:42 PM   #3375
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Matt Berkey Podcast just released, not a livestream like i thought it was
Solid info in there. I'm still confused about the 86o/98ss thing though. I probably need to sleep on it.

One thing that struck me was he said that major streams like the WSOP have their streaming server in a room protected by armed guards. Stones just has a curtain between the commentators and the editor/producer.
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