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Old 10-01-2019, 07:23 AM   #301
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

There was a hand I played vs Mike on a stream once where I opened KK, he flatted the button with 54s, flop came T84, I bet he called. Turn third diamond, I bet again, he called. River 4th diamond, I check and he checks back when betting would have gotten me to fold as I had no diamond.

So if he does use some RFID device, it isn't all the time.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:25 AM   #302
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It really disturbs me to see how quickly people are to judge and form a mob attacking someone with no proof of anything. Mike and I play a similar style of super tight/super loose at the right times. Its not something you can get away with online but in live poker that type of exploitation is possible. Especially when playing the same opponents for years and years who don’t mix it up. The other night I folded QQ and KK without seeing a flop, one to a single 3 bet, and was right both times. Now if that were on stream, i would be accused of cheating as well... I’m sure of it. Other times I have called off my entire stack with 35 knowing my equity is at least break even vs my opponents ranges (like he did in that 45 vs AK vs AK hand). No cheating whatsoever though. It’s just knowing your highly unbalanced opponents and exploiting them. Mike is a beast and I totally understand his thought process on every hand I’ve seen him play. Are some of his plays insane and extremely high variance?? YES.
I don’t know him well but I played with him in tournaments at thunder valley and he crushed there too. We were neck and neck for player of the series both winning a couple tourneys and ended up playing heads up in the 4th bracket of the heads up tourney where I won.
Why didn’t he cheat me if he cheated everyone else???
How did he crush it so hard at thunder without his stones “teammates” helping him cheat?
Was durrr cheating too back in the day just because he made soul reads and unorthodox plays?
All you people throwing out accusations need to check yourselves and maybe try to learn something from the guy instead of coming up with just ANOTHER excuse to why you lose money at this game. 🤷🏼*♂️
Would you mind sharing a graph of your results or just your winrate?
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:26 AM   #303
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The other night I folded QQ and KK without seeing a flop, one to a single 3 bet, and was right both times. Now if that were on stream, i would be accused of cheating as well... I’m sure of it. Other times I have called off my entire stack with 35 knowing my equity is at least break even vs my opponents ranges (like he did in that 45 vs AK vs AK hand). No cheating whatsoever though. It’s just knowing your highly unbalanced opponents and exploiting them. Mike is a beast and I totally understand his thought process on every hand I’ve seen him play.
noone said you bingo players shouldn't win any hand, the issue in this case is he always picks bad plays that happen to work every time, even heavily multiway. and he does it in a very-very dumb way.

he loses big pots exclusively when he tries to bluff out air with even shittier holdings with all in sizing and the other dude somehow makes a horrible call vs range.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:27 AM   #304
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So you've already gone from "the haters are just jealous losers" to "these high stakes pros don't even know him?"

Your arguments are making it worse for him. The best lag in the world won't make 80% of correct decisions on the river because they're playing against a range and sometimes run into the top of it or sometimes unfortunately the opponent is at the bottom of it. That Mike literally plays every river perfect vs the exact holding his opponent has doesn't trouble you at all? Really?

Coming into this thread and labeling him as a savant who never makes any mistakes because he's too good yet plays 1/3 and 5/5 is uh, interesting.

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Old 10-01-2019, 07:35 AM   #305
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Do any of those guys even know mike? Do you even know Joey??? Joey Ingram is terrible and can’t beat 2/5NL live. I know him and have played with home many times. Do haralabos and seiver know how hard mike crushed online. Do they know he used to beast some of the best heads up players at the time including durrr? Or are they just giving their opinions based on a few hands shown? You can look up his stats. How is it possible that he cheats in live poker and online on every site and in every casino? Seems too hard to pull off everywhere in every format right?? Postle is playing against some of the weakest players I’ve ever seen on a regular basis and people want to question why he crushes?? Even the high stakes games there have 1/3 caliber line ups.
Hello Mike or mikes friend. What about Mike deleting the linkedins which shows he was affiliated with the show, behind the scenes? Or how about his own brother on stream mentioning that as a kid Mike was always looking for ways to cheat. The timing of every bluff not one bit suspicious? What evidence would be suitable for you?. A lot of high stakes poker players have voiced its blatant clear cheating, tcfromub for example, and what do they have to gain or lose by saying this ? Same for haralobob, scott siever, etc etc

You are just some random account .... voicing 1 opinion .... who are you again? Some tournament donk that thinks he knows whats good? Maybe someone who has something to gain from voicing opposition? Want to go on joey stream and actually present your case or what? Doubt you would want to show your face or even voice such a ludicrous perspective. At this point, its not if he is cheating, its pretty clear that he is a cheater if you examine the evidence.

Ask any random 5-10 high stakes players who have no horse in this race and show them hands and get their opinion, likely every single one of them will conclude that the player is cheating beyond a 98% threshold. Joey could easily beat 2/5NL games and your whole argument has no legs to stand on. Pathetic to defend a cheater and same with that other guy, Shawn Rice, with 2 post. Once dust settles and its announced that this guy is a cheater, hope this guy gets what is coming to him for all the people he has blatantly ripped off. And shame on you and Shawn Rice for defending this piece of ****. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:38 AM   #306
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It really disturbs me to see how quickly people are to judge and form a mob attacking someone with no proof of anything. Mike and I play a similar style of super tight/super loose at the right times. Its not something you can get away with online but in live poker that type of exploitation is possible. Especially when playing the same opponents for years and years who don’t mix it up. The other night I folded QQ and KK without seeing a flop, one to a single 3 bet, and was right both times. Now if that were on stream, i would be accused of cheating as well... I’m sure of it. Other times I have called off my entire stack with 35 knowing my equity is at least break even vs my opponents ranges (like he did in that 45 vs AK vs AK hand). No cheating whatsoever though. It’s just knowing your highly unbalanced opponents and exploiting them. Mike is a beast and I totally understand his thought process on every hand I’ve seen him play. Are some of his plays insane and extremely high variance?? YES.
I don’t know him well but I played with him in tournaments at thunder valley and he crushed there too. We were neck and neck for player of the series both winning a couple tourneys and ended up playing heads up in the 4th bracket of the heads up tourney where I won.
Why didn’t he cheat me if he cheated everyone else???
How did he crush it so hard at thunder without his stones “teammates” helping him cheat?
Was durrr cheating too back in the day just because he made soul reads and unorthodox plays?
All you people throwing out accusations need to check yourselves and maybe try to learn something from the guy instead of coming up with just ANOTHER excuse to why you lose money at this game. 🤷🏼*♂️
breakeven vs. their ranges? are you ****ing serious? can break that down for me please?
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:43 AM   #307
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I will say there is not a soul in this world who "I don't know well" whom I would write a handful of paragraphs defending at 4 AM.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:44 AM   #308
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Lol 5 mins into Joey's HH review and Mike check calls $200 into $300 with $885 in his stack with 88 on 994T8 and villain who is a splashy loose player who ABSOLUTELY would call a jam with 9-x, happens to have TT
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:48 AM   #309
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I will say there is not a soul in this world who "I don't know well" whom I would write a handful of paragraphs defending at 4 AM.
Also this. This guy is obviously lying to make his post more credible.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:49 AM   #310
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Roughly 3 hours 30 mins into Joeys stream

Amazing watch when you know Postle is cheating
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It really disturbs me to see how quickly people are to judge and form a mob attacking someone with no proof of anything. Mike and I play a similar style of super tight/super loose at the right times. Its not something you can get away with online but in live poker that type of exploitation is possible. Especially when playing the same opponents for years and years who don’t mix it up. The other night I folded QQ and KK without seeing a flop, one to a single 3 bet, and was right both times. Now if that were on stream, i would be accused of cheating as well... I’m sure of it. Other times I have called off my entire stack with 35 knowing my equity is at least break even vs my opponents ranges (like he did in that 45 vs AK vs AK hand). No cheating whatsoever though. It’s just knowing your highly unbalanced opponents and exploiting them. Mike is a beast and I totally understand his thought process on every hand I’ve seen him play. Are some of his plays insane and extremely high variance?? YES.
I don’t know him well but I played with him in tournaments at thunder valley and he crushed there too. We were neck and neck for player of the series both winning a couple tourneys and ended up playing heads up in the 4th bracket of the heads up tourney where I won.
Why didn’t he cheat me if he cheated everyone else???
How did he crush it so hard at thunder without his stones “teammates” helping him cheat?
Was durrr cheating too back in the day just because he made soul reads and unorthodox plays?
All you people throwing out accusations need to check yourselves and maybe try to learn something from the guy instead of coming up with just ANOTHER excuse to why you lose money at this game. ����*♂️
Cool, I play full time, I’m crushing live 2/5, and also folded KK to a single 3 bet earlier this year. I believe in live reads and adjustments, I’m not some GTO robot and I’m certainly not a hater making excuses.

You know what I don’t do? Stack off with 54o for over 100 bb’s pre when both of my opponents just happen to have AK.

I don’t cold call cold 4 bets with 63 when my opponent happens to have AK and then pile in all my money on the turn with bottom pair.

I don’t float 7 ways on the flop and 3 ways on the turn with nothing but a gutter and then lead jam a brick river all in into two uncapped ranges.

You know why I don’t do those things? Because there isn’t a single winning ****ing player on this planet who plays like that and just happens to be right every time.

How dumb do you think we are? Please come up with any plausible explanation for these plays and do something other than just attack us for being haters. Let’s here some actual logic please.

Please let me know what brilliant winning strategy involves calling cold 4 bets with 63 and then piling turn with bottom pair. I would absolute love to ****ing hear it. Prove to me that I’m just jealous. Justify that play please.

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Old 10-01-2019, 07:53 AM   #311
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the side parts of the story ae evidence enough on their own. without looking at the hands.

set up the livestream equipment himself
brother in the booth
brother said he would angle shoot any opportunity he gets
deleted tweet saying to check bradys phone to prove he was cheating
deleted linked in pages/deleted tweets
nonsensical rant responses
posting in this thread under multiple accounts trying to say its not cheating
always looking at phone under the table

but oh yea theres also the hands, which 100% prove it.

he was smart enough to not make super sick hero folds or calls, but not smart enough to get stacked and have losing sessions.

220bb/100 lol.

what are you gonna do stones?

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Old 10-01-2019, 07:56 AM   #312
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I respect people that are close to Mike coming in the thread to defend him but you guys aren't doing much good for him. It's clear you have no idea what exactly is being accused in this situation. I'm happy to have a conversation with you and anyone else about it to explain a bit clearer and get your opinions on the situation. The guy is clearly a Texas Hold'em God, I don't think anyone would deny that after watching all the hands he has played. How exactly he is reaching this Godlike level is in question.


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It really disturbs me to see how quickly people are to judge and form a mob attacking someone with no proof of anything. Mike and I play a similar style of super tight/super loose at the right times. Its not something you can get away with online but in live poker that type of exploitation is possible. Especially when playing the same opponents for years and years who don’t mix it up. The other night I folded QQ and KK without seeing a flop, one to a single 3 bet, and was right both times. Now if that were on stream, i would be accused of cheating as well... I’m sure of it.

No you wouldn't. There are 30-40+ hand histories at this point that have made people think

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Other times I have called off my entire stack with 35 knowing my equity is at least break even vs my opponents ranges (like he did in that 45 vs AK vs AK hand). No cheating whatsoever though. It’s just knowing your highly unbalanced opponents and exploiting them.
Nice call

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Mike is a beast and I totally understand his thought process on every hand I’ve seen him play. Are some of his plays insane and extremely high variance?? YES.
He is either the best player in the entire world or something is going on behind the scenes. I can see either being true and I hope it's the first.

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I don’t know him well but I played with him in tournaments at thunder valley and he crushed there too. We were neck and neck for player of the series both winning a couple tourneys and ended up playing heads up in the 4th bracket of the heads up tourney where I won.
Why didn’t he cheat me if he cheated everyone else???
Was it on the Stones livestream??

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How did he crush it so hard at thunder without his stones “teammates” helping him cheat?
Because he is good??

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Was durrr cheating too back in the day just because he made soul reads and unorthodox plays?
Did someone that worked w/ him accuse him??

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All you people throwing out accusations need to check yourselves and maybe try to learn something from the guy instead of coming up with just ANOTHER excuse to why you lose money at this game. ����*♂️
I think we can all learn a lot from watching his game. I think you misunderstand what the issue is.

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Do any of those guys even know mike? Do you even know Joey??? Joey Ingram is terrible and can’t beat 2/5NL live. I know him and have played with home many times.
I'm sure we've played countless hours at 2/5NL live. Yes, I remember playing with you. You called off some massive all-in w/ 35 and went on and on about how you were getting the right price. You won the hand if I remember correctly.

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Do haralabos and seiver know how hard mike crushed online. Do they know he used to beast some of the best heads up players at the time including durrr?
Mike can have crushed online and also be doing something out of line here. Both can be true.

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Or are they just giving their opinions based on a few hands shown? You can look up his stats. How is it possible that he cheats in live poker and online on every site and in every casino?
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Postle is playing against some of the weakest players I’ve ever seen on a regular basis and people want to question why he crushes?? Even the high stakes games there have 1/3 caliber line ups.
Agree
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:01 AM   #313
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the fact he's bragging about 220bb/100 and winninge every sessions shows how out of touch he's from reality.

even LLinus or OtB wouldn't have more than 50bb/100 winrate vs five recreational grandmas and they'd have bunch of losing sessions playing this few hands at a time. but they're not good enough to stackoff 54o preflop tho..
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:02 AM   #314
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https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg

Hand at 41:00. I mean...if he’s not cheating he’s the greatest.
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I don’t know him well but I played with him in tournaments at thunder valley and he crushed there too. We were neck and neck for player of the series both winning a couple tourneys and ended up playing heads up in the 4th bracket of the heads up tourney where I won.
Why didn’t he cheat me if he cheated everyone else???
How did he crush it so hard at thunder without his stones “teammates” helping him cheat?


I see Mike has a total of $16,014 on 9 cashes off $2,880 in buy-ins at Thunder Valley. This isn't counting the tournaments bought in for and not cashed. Is that crushing for Thunder Valley?? I really have no idea.

1 in 2018
4 in 2017
3 in 2016
1 in 2015

He makes more than that during a session of $5/5 on the stream.
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the side parts of the story ae evidence enough on their own. without looking at the hands.

set up the livestream equipment himself
brother in the booth
brother said he would angle shoot any opportunity he gets
deleted tweet saying to check bradys phone to prove he was cheating
deleted linked in pages/deleted tweets
nonsensical rant responses
posting in this thread under multiple accounts trying to say its not cheating
always looking at phone under the table

but oh yea theres also the hands, which 100% prove it.

he was smart enough to not make super sick hero folds or calls, but not smart enough to get stacked and have losing sessions.

220bb/100 lol.

what are you gonna do stones?
agreed, if he just sheared the sheep instead of butchering it then he could have gotten away with it forever - reminds me of potripper and the entire time how dumb it was of russ hamilton to not just play it cool

didn't know he setup the equipment... that's an open and shut case right there
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Is that crushing for Thunder Valley?? I really have no idea.
they were neck to neck for the player of the series, but one of them called with 35o for the title and the other won with 54o.
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Do any of those guys even know mike? Do you even know Joey??? Joey Ingram is terrible and can’t beat 2/5NL live. I know him and have played with home many times. Do haralabos and seiver know how hard mike crushed online. Do they know he used to beast some of the best heads up players at the time including durrr? Or are they just giving their opinions based on a few hands shown? You can look up his stats. How is it possible that he cheats in live poker and online on every site and in every casino? Seems too hard to pull off everywhere in every format right?? Postle is playing against some of the weakest players I’ve ever seen on a regular basis and people want to question why he crushes?? Even the high stakes games there have 1/3 caliber line ups.
bolded would certainly go a long way towards backing his claims up so why don't you post the accounts he used to crush durrrr and other top NL players?

there is literally no reason not to post them and if innocent seems like he would be rushing to post this info asap to shut everyone up.
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bolded would certainly go a long way towards backing his claims up so why don't you post the accounts he used to crush durrrr and other top NL players?

there is literally no reason not to post them and if innocent seems like he would be rushing to post this info asap to shut everyone up.
At the same time, if he used to crush high stakes but is now playing 1/3, 5/5 or $120 tournaments 3-4 nights a week, one has to wonder where all the money goes?
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only 2 guys beasted durrr online ever, so why even asking.
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Posted this to Joey and Haralabob on Twitter.

I present to the jury, the means, but not necessarily the method.

This is the only time I could see where he was impromptly interrupted during "crotch thing episode" caught this frame in ironically one of the most shared suspected videos- he was very reluctant to being whisked away from the table by the hostess in that moment.

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Posted this to Joey and Haralabob on Twitter.

I present to the jury, the means, but not necessarily the method.

This is the only time I could see where he was impromptly interrupted during "crotch thing episode" caught this frame in ironically one of the most shared suspected videos- he was very reluctant to being whisked away from the table by the hostess in that moment.
The crotch phone!!!
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where are the hundreds of players who can verify? Have we heard from one?

Also interested in online results. Anyone knwo Screen names / sites hes played at?
I've played with him a couple of times. He was neither that lose nor that aggressive from my experience, just a competent ring game reg who didn't strike me as being an above average player.
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The crotch phone!!!
Did I do it?! Did I crack the case?!

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Old 10-01-2019, 08:47 AM   #325
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I do not know him well and I’m not claiming 100% that he’s NOT cheating but I just find it hard to believe. Cheating in that many different casinos and formats in tournaments and cash games, online and live, seems hard to believe. It seems way more likely he is a beast.
I’m not defending him because I know him or have anything to gain.
I don’t need to explain myself but I will because what you all are doing is wrong. If you are wrong about this, do you realize the damage that these false accusations can do??
I’m up this early because I went to bed at 8pm. I woke and got on YouTube to see joeys stream and watched a bit to get the gist and came here and recovered a password after not using this account in probably 8+ years.
I don’t know his overall tourney results... just the one series we played together where we both cashed 6 times or so in the series and won/chppped a couple each. That was the one time I’ve met the guy and I got the impression that he was very intelligent and thought about the game WAY differently that most professionals.
I’ve seen most of the ‘suspect’ hands and there is nothing that convincing to me personally. Is that proof he’s not, of course not. But is there any proof that he is?
Debate is fine and all but once you start making life ruining accusations with no proof or witnesses whatsoever, I feel the need to come in and defend the guy.

Yeah I’m not active on 2+2 but I’ve played for a living for 15 years as well. I’m no bum. I’ve played with the best both live and online. I’ve scouted out some of the most talented players before they were anybody, mainly due to their unorthodox play and outside the box thinking.... and Mike Postle hit me as one of those players when we met and seeing his play on stream.
I could be wrong and I’ll feel duped but this is my strong read and opinion. Everyone is entitled to one without getting strung up by the mob right?
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