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Old 10-04-2019, 03:21 PM   #3151
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Story has now made it to the Ringer.

https://www.theringer.com/2019/10/4/...veronica-brill
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:21 PM   #3152
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I've compiled data for all Mike sessions since 2018. Just missing rebuy data. Does anyone have that?

Anyone is free to add data or improve it. I have a backup if it somehow gets messed up.

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Old 10-04-2019, 03:24 PM   #3153
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Justin is at best very incompetent at his job. But it seems almost certain that he is on in it. Either way, there is no scenarie where he is actually good at his job.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:25 PM   #3154
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Martingale'ing poker

Good god

If Justin was involved or not, he is definitely a confined moron. How can anyone who has been im the industry for so long either believe that OR believe that people will buy it.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:26 PM   #3155
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Saying he uses "the martingale strategy" might be the dumbest thing I've read about how he wins.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:30 PM   #3156
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Saying he uses "the martingale strategy" might be the dumbest thing I've read about how he wins.
if hes playin legit yes, if hes cheating its smart, getting more $ on the table for him
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:30 PM   #3157
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Hi guys long time lurker first time poster. I’m in the rabbit hole with the rest of you but felt compelled to share this . In Ingram’s investigation #4 when they are going over a game where they used a new deck for the first day, and he is supposedly not cheating someone mentions that he has a new black bracelet. Naturally a quick google search for such an item revealed this immediately, a black bracelet with hidden camera inside. My hypothesis is that it is in fact a rigged Chinese software table and also I think that while many here have been highly suspicious of Justin he seems like more of an unwitting accomplice. To me other than mike the graphics designer this Taylor person seems waaaaaaay more suspicious and I would bet money on being the one making all the offensive memes and the YouTube jail graphic. Think about this behind the scenes graphics guy like Patrick Curran from LATB. This is the inside man, also given that this was a new setup I think they were trying out an even more advanced system for the first time that could tell mike what cards were coming. For example folding AJ on flop of J92, the turn ended up being a 10 we never saw the river but I bet that the AJ would have been a loser. It looks like he’s not cheating this session but he is merely using a new method. Those rigged tables were from 2016 , they could be so much more advanced now.
picture isn't showing up. but this is a interesting hypothesis.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:32 PM   #3158
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More than just a "little" bit. It's actually very irresponsible that the mods are letting some of these other accusations go haywire.
while theres a difference between an all out witch hunt and using empirical evidence to draw conclusions, the fact that Veronica believes, or at the very least points to evidence leading to, the culpability of Justin, is also very telling.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:34 PM   #3159
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I would think Justin's definitely in on it. As some have posted, he is in charge of setting up the software / IT part of the broadcast.. so he has access and probably shared the live key (or setup a private twitch stream that showed live hands where Mike could easily access with phone) .. And probably split profits or whatever. They aren't geniuses but what they did isn't difficult with the right people in the right places. Justin is key. The fact Mike kept his hand over the phone when Justin approached him means nothing... he doesn't know if there's others behind justin and/or why would mike care to move his hand away from the phone.

Also we know Justin was in charge of Stones twitter account and when they dismissed charges / investigation so quickly it was obviously because Justin wanted this to blow over. They had been doing it for so long , they got cocky / greedy / naive and now hopefully face justice aka karma.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:35 PM   #3160
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if hes playin legit yes, if hes cheating its smart, getting more $ on the table for him
how is using martingale even feasible in a game as complex as NLHE where you'll see several different spots, odds, opponents, and equities within any given session?

edit: not to mention multiple rounds of betting, multiply player pots, the ability to go all in at any time.

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Old 10-04-2019, 03:36 PM   #3161
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It now seems to be pretty established now that Mike Postle was a known winning player back then. Sounds like Mike was a Tunica regular whereas the guys you are talking about were probably just traveling the tournament circuit.


I was addressing Mike's statment that he was one of the most feared players to play in Tunica from that period. He wasn't. He was an average reg at best.


Even the rando lurker account that says he was a friend of mikes back then and that he had a celebrity aura says he wasn't crushing the live game in Tunica.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:36 PM   #3162
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Lold @ martingale strategy
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:37 PM   #3163
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Yeah sorry I don’t know how to properly copy paste a picture on my phone but google poker cheating bracelet boom. Looks just like the one from the stream the night they changed the cards. It’s a camera that transmits to his phone in the bracelet . The cards are the key to everything. I bet that Taylor the graphics producer is the one responsible for deciding what cards to use. It was said that it takes a certain kind of card to operate the cheating systems shown in joeys video.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:41 PM   #3164
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There are some key differences in these hands as I outlined yesterday, https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2627
First the graphics aren't changed until after the guy tables his hand. Also, only one of his cards was misread. It is much more likely for only one of the cards to be misread as opposed to both.
Postle's 98s hand was particularly weird, because he never actually showed down and I presume it was dragged into the muck. I don't know how RFID deals with that issue, but I also don't know how or why a graphics person could overlay an animation of the "correct" cards based on hearsay. It's suspicious, for sure.
Looking at the Postle 86o or 98s hand again, the camera cuts away just as he is picking up his cards (after the opponent folded). Perhaps he moved them slightly nearer the RFID detector just in front of him. (I think the diamond-shaped logo on the table in front of each player is what detects the holecards when they are first dealt).

Btw, as others have said, I think it's extremely dodgy that someone with access to the live feed can walk over and talk to a player at any point in the session. Justin, or whoever, shouldn't be talking to Postle if he's supposed to be running the stream, or commentating on it.

Fwiw, here's another hand where the graphics are completely wrong, and only update very, very late: https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY EDIT: wrong timestamp. Try: https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=11229
The screen says Mark has AA, but he actually has T9ss.

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Old 10-04-2019, 03:41 PM   #3165
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From The Ringer article...this is priceless:

"Add to this the fact that it has been alleged that Postle doesn’t play in other nonstreamed live games at Stones, or anywhere else in the Sacramento area, and hasn’t been known to play in any sizable no-limit games anywhere in a long time, and that he always picks up his chips and leaves as soon as the livestream ends. I don’t really need any more evidence than that. If you know poker players, you know that this is the most damning evidence against him. Poker players like to play poker. If any of the poker players I know had the win rate that Mike Postle has, you’d have to pry them up from the table with a crowbar. The guy is making nearly a thousand dollars an hour! He should be wearing adult diapers so he doesn’t have to take a bathroom break and cost himself $250."
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:43 PM   #3166
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I was addressing Mike's statment
This is a classic mistake when dealing with someone like this. He's a cheater and a liar and a clear narcissist and probably a sociopath too. You go back to your narratives don't let him set it or turn the discussion elsewhere like what you did would do.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:44 PM   #3167
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Thanks for posting that. So we know that the internal cheating allegations were happening in March and possibly before March

On March 14th Justin made a public post on his facebook account (it's still on there) showing the hand where Mike shoved the river and got hero called by Ace high, thus losing the hand. He hardly ever posts hands on his public facebook page, he only has one other video posted in the past year.

https://www.facebook.com/JustinFKura...19216769/?t=10



Somebody even responded to the video at the time and said: "Mike Postle loves this hand going out to social media. He'll make thousands off of this epic failed bluff. Love it! #muchrespectmike"

Justin and Mike both reacted to that comment with the laugh emoji on the post

So in the middle of cheating allegations being aired internally about a guy who never loses, Justin just so happened to publicly blast out a video showing his guy in a losing spot. I have a hard time believing this wasn't an attempt to provide cover.

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Old 10-04-2019, 03:44 PM   #3168
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From The Ringer article...this is priceless:

"Add to this the fact that it has been alleged that Postle doesn’t play in other nonstreamed live games at Stones, or anywhere else in the Sacramento area, and hasn’t been known to play in any sizable no-limit games anywhere in a long time, and that he always picks up his chips and leaves as soon as the livestream ends. I don’t really need any more evidence than that. If you know poker players, you know that this is the most damning evidence against him. Poker players like to play poker. If any of the poker players I know had the win rate that Mike Postle has, you’d have to pry them up from the table with a crowbar. The guy is making nearly a thousand dollars an hour! He should be wearing adult diapers so he doesn’t have to take a bathroom break and cost himself $250."
That's a really good point about him picking up and leaving. It also suggests a lot of the cheating was done with the RFID/Stream feed rather than a chinese card reader - unless the deck was always snap changed when the stream ended.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:49 PM   #3169
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That's a really good point about him picking up and leaving. It also suggests a lot of the cheating was done with the RFID/Stream feed rather than a chinese card reader - unless the deck was always snap changed when the stream ended.
the game probably moves to a different table after the stream is over im assuming with the main population decks
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:53 PM   #3170
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I was addressing Mike's statment that he was one of the most feared players to play in Tunica from that period. He wasn't. He was an average reg at best.
Not sure what your basis for saying this is but regardless mentioning a few big name pros that played a bit in Tunica doesn't refute his statement whatsoever especially when one of the "pros" you mentioned (Moneymaker) said this about Postle: “He’s a really good f*****g player.”
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:54 PM   #3171
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"There is no such thing as GTO because everyone plays different"

I mean the only reason these guys are getting caught is because they are some of the stupidest people on the planet and have no idea how to play poker. Wouldn't it be pretty easy for people with an IQ over 50 and some idea of how to play poker to cheat like this and never get caught?
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:55 PM   #3172
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Postle's 98s hand was particularly weird, because he never actually showed down and I presume it was dragged into the muck. I don't know how RFID deals with that issue, but I also don't know how or why a graphics person could overlay an animation of the "correct" cards based on hearsay. It's suspicious, for sure.
Looking at the Postle 86o or 98s hand again, the camera cuts away just as he is picking up his cards (after the opponent folded). Perhaps he moved them slightly nearer the RFID detector just in front of him. (I think the diamond-shaped logo on the table in front of each player is what detects the holecards when they are first dealt).
The cards cant be misread, they can only be mislabelled. Prev hand could persist to next hand but Mike didnt have 98ss prev hand. Hands can also be null if not scanned correctly which would show no cards.

Only way for graphics to change is if someone physically changed them. This is according to Ryan Feldman and Matt Berkey who are experienced with RFID tech.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:58 PM   #3173
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Not sure what your basis for saying this is but regardless mentioning a few big name pros that played a bit in Tunica doesn't refute his statement whatsoever especially when one of the "pros" you mentioned (Moneymaker) said this about Postle: “He’s a really good f*****g player.”
Says Moneymaker who himself is just a way below average player and just holds on because of his name...
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:58 PM   #3174
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the game probably moves to a different table after the stream is over im assuming with the main population decks
Game stays at the same table. They do change out the decks though.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:59 PM   #3175
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"There is no such thing as GTO because everyone plays different"

I mean the only reason these guys are getting caught is because they are some of the stupidest people on the planet and have no idea how to play poker. Wouldn't it be pretty easy for people with an IQ over 50 and some idea of how to play poker to cheat like this and never get caught?
They aren't some of the stupidest people on the planet. Why does this narrative keep creeping into this thread? This is greed, not stupidity.
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