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Old 10-04-2019, 02:30 PM   #3126
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jdsX8vkMI

Someone posted this link before. It's a Stones stream where the video is down, so Mike comes into the booth to talk for an hour.

He talks about how a prostitute came up to him and a buddy in Caesars, and after kicking her out, security talks to him and a buddy in which they are jackasses, and they get kicked out too and are arrested by cops. Later he talks about being pick pocketed down south somewhere, then confronts the person in a casino there, and gets banned from a Harrah/Caesars. Don't know if he is fully believable, but just comes off as really douchey.

At 2:40:00 he starts talking about cheating in poker....the irony. He talks about the UB or Absolute Bet scandal and how he was affected and how he was one of the first people to report it to the company.

The video just gives a good impression about who he is, and is worth a watch.

yea i saw this the other day and mentioned it briefly. such a awful soul and human being.

his story of pulling out money and taunting the security guard and making fun of people making minimum wage is such cringe douche maneuvers
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:31 PM   #3127
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It isn't a whisper in the ear.

Multiple people can hear, you can see the dude next to him is interested in whats being said.

Also Mike is the one who seems to be talking the most, hence he's the one doing the explaining.
Good point. Also could have just texted that info to each if they were in cahoots. Actually it may be possible they did text this info and the conversation was just for show.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:31 PM   #3128
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Justin is in on it and would think is the one who's idea this was. He will be the one that gives up all the info to whoever is investigating this when they threaten him with jail time. There are also atleast 3-4 people at Stones who knew for months but didn't say anything because probably weren't 100% sure they had evidence or that they would be fired from the stream.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:35 PM   #3129
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I love how some people refuse to believe that cheaters could be that dumb conducting the process.

These guys are stealing people's money LIVE broadcasting it online to the whole world in the most obvious ways and they had no intent to slow down soon.

YES, THEY CAN BE THAT DUMB.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:37 PM   #3130
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Again, look at Ryan Feldmans twitter. He produces Live at the Bike. He knows the tech and the system.

He says that its impossible to be changed after the hand was played.
I don't think this is quite right though. There are other examples of cards being changed mid hand. Some hole cards, and flop cards when they're obviously totally wrong.

There's also other glitches, for eg; a turn that comes out that is showing as someone's hole card. A poster ITT thread who played the stream said they had the wrong hole cards for him.

These examples contradict what Ryan believes. I don't know the explanation for this?

In the 68o/89s hand, MP's cards change only when he has gone AI on the river, and before his opponent folds. If someone was covering for him 'live', then that's pretty quick thinking.

I'm not sure, especially after Justin is seen approaching Mike after the 88/TT hand. It might seem a pernickety point, but seems quite important from the info we have, regarding others' involvement.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:39 PM   #3131
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Re: Mike postle cheating allegations

So you guys are saying Justin is watching the real time stream and in between the hand finishing and the delayed stream airing he goes up to Postle and asks him if he really had 69o. AFAIK time machines haven't been invented so there are a couple issues.

-A floorman asking a player what he had in a hand that didn't go to showdown is completely OOL.

-Someone with access to live hole cards should't be talking to players at any time.

-On the stream you can hear the commentators talking to a 'Taylor' when it is declared the hole cards are wrong, so this info appears to be coming from him.

-Even if they knew the whole cards were wrong they decided to wait until the very end of the hand after outrageous action has occurred to fix it.

-The initial hole cards (86o) make complete sense for the line Postel took.

-Not one but BOTH hole cards are incorrect and manage to change into the nut nut combo.

Come on

Edit: This isn't even considering Feldman claiming cards cannot be changed after production and have to be done live, so even if Justin had asked mike his cards there would be no way to retroactively change them on the production side

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Old 10-04-2019, 02:46 PM   #3132
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Detective Jonathan has been on the case since June!
someone said he just recently changed the title. probably to help with views
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:48 PM   #3133
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It’s sooooo satisfying to see POS get hero-called on the river, I’ve only seen a couple. Was it Bart Hanson with the JJ hand?

In those hands, the caller must be like “phew, I was right” and thinking “no wonder he crushes if he’s always putting people in these spots”, but not realising he does it because he knows your hand.
https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk?t=9386

After watching countless hours of these stream, this is probably my favorite hand. This is also the first session after Justin returns from Vegas and Mike is back in supermode. He double barrels with air trying to get opponent off of second pair and then after making third pair on the river, fires another barrel only to get snap called by "Lady No Muck" with the cigar in her mouth like a boss. Mike also gives a reaction like how can you call that before Lady even shows her cards.

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Oh I found one, which kind of kills all the 98ss swapover conspiracy talk. (As I said many hours ago, I think Postle really did have the nuts in that one).

See https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=613 (hand starts at about 10m13s if the link doesn't take you there directly).
Trent appears to be making weird plays with T6o versus Mark's 86o. The commentators even guess that it's an RFID error... and then it magically gets fixed at showdown.
There are some key differences in these hands as I outlined yesterday, https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2627

First the graphics aren't changed until after the guy tables his hand. Also, only one of his cards was misread. It is much more likely for only one of the cards to be misread as opposed to both.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:48 PM   #3134
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''The recent allegations are completely fabricated''

Whoever posted this has to be guilty also.

Was it Justin?
yes. he made a similar tweet about their being "absolutely no evidence" on his own personal account before he made his twitter private. you can still see it in the cached page.



https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:50 PM   #3135
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Getting Mike in the booth to "explain" those hands was a huge mistake lmao.
He just says all the things a superuser without much strategy-knowledge would say. "You know, normally I don't do that, but in this particular situation I put my opponent on xyz, so I did that and I can't even explain why I did it, was just a really strong feeling and I have the greatest instincts as you all know by now"

Mike, you are a joke of a poker player. You couldn't beat any online-game, if your life depended on it.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:51 PM   #3136
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So you guys are saying Justin is watching the real time stream and in between the hand finishing and the delayed stream airing he goes up to Postle and asks him if he really had 69o. AFAIK time machines haven't been invented so there are a couple issues.

-A floorman asking a player what he had in a hand that didn't go to showdown is completely OOL.

-Someone with access to live hole cards should't be talking to players at any time.

-On the stream you can hear the commentators talking to a 'Taylor' when it is declared the hole cards are wrong, so this info appears to be coming from him.

-Even if they knew the whole cards were wrong they decided to wait until the very end of the hand after outrageous action has occurred to fix it.

-The initial hole cards (86o) make complete sense for the line Postel took.

-Not one but BOTH hole cards are incorrect and manage to change into the nut nut combo.

Come on

Edit: This isn't even considering Feldman claiming cards cannot be changed after production and have to be done live, so even if Justin had asked mike his cards there would be no way to retroactively change them on the production side
Moreover, would it not benefit Postle (his image etc) if the other players thought he made this insane bluff with air on the river? Like if he wasnt cheating, what incentive would he have to the tell the truth? I would for sure just go along with the fact i had 96o or at least not confirm I had the nuts. Seems like a reasonable explanation is that he thinks that hand is so crazy that they will catch on to the cheating regardless if he really had the nuts or not.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:57 PM   #3137
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:57 PM   #3138
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arantee he will never crush a live stream away from Stones, nor will he crush any bigger game anywhere. And if Stones Live has a future, and if Mike has a future on the game, if he is forced to play without a hat, phone, etc, of course his results will show a marked difference to his God-mode sessions.
If he's guilty he should remove himself from poker entirely and keep as quiet as possible, hopefully find a volunteer position with a disadvantaged population where he's loved and needed.

If he's not, go play anywhere and when he gets beaten, sue those who made him a pariah.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:04 PM   #3139
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The question is whether Justin is a chef who poisoned his patrons intentionally, or accidentally. Either way he should be blacklisted from poker and hopefully face jail time.
I think you mean prison, not jail.

Blacklisted from poker? Who controls the list? Can I be blacklisted from Scrabble for using a dictionary during a bathroom trip?
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:04 PM   #3140
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yes. he made a similar tweet about their being "absolutely no evidence" on his own personal account before he made his twitter private. you can still see it in the cached page.



https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us
NO. EVIDENCE.

Well, we have two clear assumptions. He is either:

1 - A really dumb person and clueless staff member
2 - The mastermind behind the curtain
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:04 PM   #3141
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The fact that Mike can't win when Justin isn't around is enough to convince me that he's involved.
That is not sound logic, IMO. It could be as simple as Justin runs a loose ship. Perhaps he is naive and incompetent whereas when Justin is out the person running the show is all up in everyone's ****, inadvertently putting a stop to the cheating.

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Great acting job by Justin, no so great by Mike in that interview. Justin already has a few people doubting he was in on it now. Give that man an Oscar!
I didn't think it was so much a great acting job by Justin as it was a terrible sales job by Justin. If Justin was truly tying to sell Mike as a great player while deflecting/hiding from any cheating aspects of Mike's play then he was asking all the wrong questions. I expected that interview to go way different than it did.

As co-conspirators I would have expected them to rehearse the interview a bit beforehand or at least talked to each other about the details. Mike was not comfortable in that interview whatsoever. Justin was very comfortable like it was just a normal interview for the stream, not something that could have far graver implications.

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I'm talking more about hands where the guy rivers the nuts against him and he has to fold.
Normally what Mike Postle likes to do in these spots (at least when out of position) is put a small blocker bet out and then fold to a raise. That guarantees he loses the minimum. He can't open fold or check fold because either would be way too suspicious even too a casual audience. If he check calls then he risks losing a lot more. So bet fold is by far the best option.

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kinda my theory as to why Mike was so blatant about this.
Certainly splitting it multiways could put more pressure on him to win more. That being said, it's probably just greed. More than likely, there isn't a dollar figure he could hit which would satisfy his greed. The same greed that drives him to steal from people he knows is likely the same greed that drives him to steal as much as possible regardless of the ramifications.

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This guy is a total moron.
I think it is pretty clear that he is not a moron. He is greedy.

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To Mike's statement about most feard players in Tunica 2003-2008:

Negranu, Greenstein, and Scotty Nguyen played the most often there, along with Moneymaker of course. Ivy showed up occasionally. You can look them up on the leaderboards with a quick search. Guess whose name doesn't come up on a leaderboard during that time period?
It now seems to be pretty established now that Mike Postle was a known winning player back then. Sounds like Mike was a Tunica regular whereas the guys you are talking about were probably just traveling the tournament circuit.


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Although at the moment this investigation is focussing attention on Postle and his two collaborators at the Stones casino, people need to consider if it is bigger than these three.

If they have worked out this scam, then others will have too, as intercepting a live feed will be a consideration at any place that does filming of a table.
I agree with you that there could potentially be others cheating at this live stream or others, but just because Postle was able to pull it off doesn't necessarily mean anyone else has.

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But also a big concern for me is he is clearly a poor player without his back up feeding him information on others hands, yet he has won $500K in live tournament play. His Hendon mob results show he wins tournaments at very specific venues, were these results achieved through cheating?
$500k in tournament winnings is not very impressive, especially over a 14 year time period. 4 of his 5 biggest wins came at Tunica. Of course any of his tournaments that used RFID at Stones should be investigated further.


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He comes across as a sociopath and a pathological liar.
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Agree 100% about him being a psychopath.
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A narcissist cannot accept failings as the superiority complex is a core part of their personality.
So if he a sociopath, a psychopath, a narcissist, or some combination of the three?
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:09 PM   #3142
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Reading through hillbombers posts ITT it is eerily similar to the writing style and information posted in those Postle text exchanges.



Do these big name pros include PokerHo, Shawn Rice, jennifear, brsavage, and leggggggy?
Did you only mention them because they were big at UB or was there another reason? I am curious because I played a ton with PokerHo and leggggggy on UB back in the day and never heard anything hinky about them.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:12 PM   #3143
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I've compiled data for all Mike sessions since 2018. Just missing rebuy data. Does anyone have that?

Anyone is free to add data or improve it. I have a backup if it somehow gets messed up.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:13 PM   #3144
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:15 PM   #3145
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Also I’m surprised no one mentions the exec producer and precious technician of stones live, who incidentally trained on RFID graphics under runitup (in his own writing). This guy is way more realistic of an accomplice with the tech background.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth
Good shout. I do think some of the accusations at some of the staff are a little bit out of line. The evidence against them falls a little short of proof. Most publications have avoided naming accused co-conspirators.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:15 PM   #3146
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Did you only mention them because they were big at UB or was there another reason? I am curious because I played a ton with PokerHo and leggggggy on UB back in the day and never heard anything hinky about them.
I mentioned them because those people all have posted about knowing Mike, and are all BIG NAME PROS.

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thats mark kroon right?

does anyone know these other ppl that seem to know mike?









adam the admin from p5s seems to have known him as well

theres also his fav players on p5:



does anyone know who those could be other than leggy and ho?
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:16 PM   #3147
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Hi guys long time lurker first time poster. I’m in the rabbit hole with the rest of you but felt compelled to share this . In Ingram’s investigation #4 when they are going over a game where they used a new deck for the first day, and he is supposedly not cheating someone mentions that he has a new black bracelet. Naturally a quick google search for such an item revealed this immediately, a black bracelet with hidden camera inside. My hypothesis is that it is in fact a rigged Chinese software table and also I think that while many here have been highly suspicious of Justin he seems like more of an unwitting accomplice. To me other than mike the graphics designer this Taylor person seems waaaaaaay more suspicious and I would bet money on being the one making all the offensive memes and the YouTube jail graphic. Think about this behind the scenes graphics guy like Patrick Curran from LATB. This is the inside man, also given that this was a new setup I think they were trying out an even more advanced system for the first time that could tell mike what cards were coming. For example folding AJ on flop of J92, the turn ended up being a 10 we never saw the river but I bet that the AJ would have been a loser. It looks like he’s not cheating this session but he is merely using a new method. Those rigged tables were from 2016 , they could be so much more advanced now.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:17 PM   #3148
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Last post explains everything. Calling All-In with 54o is a super-optimal Martingale Strat
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:18 PM   #3149
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:19 PM   #3150
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Good shout. I do think some of the accusations at some of the staff are a little bit out of line.
More than just a "little" bit. It's actually very irresponsible that the mods are letting some of these other accusations go haywire.
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