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Old 10-04-2019, 12:58 PM   #3051
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

IMPORTANT THOUGHTS ON JUSTIN.

Ok. I have been thinking the last couple of days that Justin was 100% involved BUT I am now thinking that I might have been wrong.

I remembered this hand where Postle has 88vTT on the 992T8 and just flats the river. This was at 21 min in this video

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1305

At 27 min JFK comes into the chat and clears it up for him. Originally I was thinking that this was Justin knowing this was a **** up and he had to think on this feet.



JFK coming in with the RFID error and then the extra info about Mike being good but not that good certainly looks like someone trying to cover their tracks.

I had watched the stream 30 minutes from the hand to see if he spoke to Justin and couldn't see anything, so therefore I thought this was him just doing his thing in the backroom.

Today I watched a little longer.

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=3274

At 54.30 Justin appears in the background and is in conversation with Mike for a short while.



Now this timeline makes more sense and looks better for Justin.

He was in the booth watching the 30min delayed feed and Youtube chat at 21min/51min his time.

The hand went down, chat was confused about the flat. Justin leaves the booth and asks Mike at 54.30.

The original chat from JFK is then on the stream at 27min, so just after 54.30 stream time.

This certainly looks good for Justin as he wasn't covering for Mike without talking to him. Justin could genuinely believe this was an RFID error.

I still think Justin was involved, but this is the first time that there is doubt in my mind.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:58 PM   #3052
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No. Working with others in planning a crime and acting in furtherance of the plan is a conspiracy. Just because you plan/work with another does not mean it's fraud. Fraud is a specific type of crime: cheating in a card game is not fraud, it's cheating. And no one is going to be charged with conspiracy. One gets charged with conspiracy when you plan a crime, act in furtherance of that plan BUT NOT actually commit the crime (i.e. Police arrest you before you carry out the crime). MP actually cheated, he already committed the offense, it's no longer conspiracy once you commit the crime.
you are correct that conspiracy is a separate crime which only requires the parties to take a substantial step towards completing their criminal plan. However, even when the crime is actually committed those involved are usually charged with both the conspiracy and the underlying criminal offense.

There are many reasons for this practice. First, as the conspiracy is a criminal offense all on its own (with its own consequences) why would you not charge the perpetrators just because the crime was actually completed. This (in essence) would be giving the criminal a "freebie" for completing the crime.

Second, in cases involving multi-party conspiracies it is often unclear who physically did what (as seems to be the case here thus far). As an example, where there is a conspiracy to steal an item between A and B. There is evidence of the conspracy and the stolen item is found in B's possession. The prosecution may not know who physically stole the item so they charge each with conspiracy to commit theft and B with receiving stolen property.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:59 PM   #3053
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JFK said that Mike had the nuts in the graphic change.

But in the 30 minutes after, is there footage of Mike leaving the table to talk to JFK? If not, that's another major , major smoking gun that JFK needs to explain.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:00 PM   #3054
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Also I’m surprised no one mentions the exec producer and precious technician of stones live, who incidentally trained on RFID graphics under runitup (in his own writing). This guy is way more realistic of an accomplice with the tech background.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth
Useful information. It would be really handy to know if it was Lance at the controls when Justin was in Vegas, and Taylor was doing a mixture of commentating and being the floorman, because in that period Postle didn't appear to be cheating.
That is to say, it could be that cheating was impossible when Lance Hudspeth was running the computer. Or it could be the opposite.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:05 PM   #3055
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I feel sorry for the degen donks in these games chasing their losses against Mike. The sad look on Franks scarred by life-face makes me really sad.

What gets me fired up the most about this is not so much the greed, the stupidity, the blatant stealing, not even the conspirators praising this tool over and over again. It's how this manchild smiles, literally laughing in their faces, getting a kick out of ****ing people over hand for hand for hand.

Mike, it's going to suck a lot being you from now on. Stop crying and start to accept, that you deserve all of this. I feel sorry for your daughter, that you decided to drag into this, you POS. **** you Mike!

I think it's best for me to stop following this, puts me on lifetilt lol

I wonder what Mike Postle thinks about the young sons and daughters of the players he stole money from?
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:06 PM   #3056
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JFK said that Mike had the nuts in the graphic change.

But in the 30 minutes after, is there footage of Mike leaving the table to talk to JFK? If not, that's another major , major smoking gun that JFK needs to explain.
The graphic change is different as the cards change on the real feed. This had to have been doing by someone watching the stream AND who knows Mike is cheating. This had to have been done in real time. There is no way that Mike could have texted and it been changed after the fact.

There has been audio that it is someone called Taylor relaying this information. It is also thought that Taylor is the one in charge of the live stream graphics.

I don't know if there is anything from JFK in the chat about this hand but if there is then a couple of things.

1)Justin could have been told this by Taylor and bought it.
2)The JFK account on the chat is used by multiple people to moderate the chat room.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:09 PM   #3057
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(At the end of the day, Postle might actually have had 89ss in that hand, it is possible)
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:10 PM   #3058
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jdsX8vkMI

Someone posted this link before. It's a Stones stream where the video is down, so Mike comes into the booth to talk for an hour.

He talks about how a prostitute came up to him and a buddy in Caesars, and after kicking her out, security talks to him and a buddy in which they are jackasses, and they get kicked out too and are arrested by cops. Later he talks about being pick pocketed down south somewhere, then confronts the person in a casino there, and gets banned from a Harrah/Caesars. Don't know if he is fully believable, but just comes off as really douchey.
A guy who cheated in a casino is banned from other casinos, imagine my shock.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:11 PM   #3059
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Without a smoking gun cheating device, or a snitch turning on Mike, RFID errors will be the reason Mike Postle never serves a day in jail.

Mike rarely had to show his cards when he bluffed people off their hands. He can claim that he had any hand, and there’s no proof to contradict him.

Without tangible evidence, or someone turning on Mike, I’m worried he might get away with this.

Hopefully the IRS will do a deep anal probe as well.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:11 PM   #3060
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It's insanely hard to give JFK the benefit of the doubt on any of this when he had multiple players (including top pros, not "jealous 1/2 locals") and commentators repeatedly surface accusations, and he repeatedly led investigations turning up "fabrications" despite mountains of suspicious hands and behaviors in the videos he consistently watched and supposedly investigated.

Just like Mike is either the GOAT poker player or a cheater, Justin is either the most incompetent moron ever or a cheater.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:13 PM   #3061
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Begs the question. Why isn't verifying that every card is being read correctly by RFID part of the setup for any live stream?
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:13 PM   #3062
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you are correct that conspiracy is a separate crime which only requires the parties to take a substantial step towards completing their criminal plan. However, even when the crime is actually committed those involved are usually charged with both the conspiracy and the underlying criminal offense.



There are many reasons for this practice. First, as the conspiracy is a criminal offense all on its own (with its own consequences) why would you not charge the perpetrators just because the crime was actually completed. This (in essence) would be giving the criminal a "freebie" for completing the crime.



Second, in cases involving multi-party conspiracies it is often unclear who physically did what (as seems to be the case here thus far). As an example, where there is a conspiracy to steal an item between A and B. There is evidence of the conspracy and the stolen item is found in B's possession. The prosecution may not know who physically stole the item so they charge each with conspiracy to commit theft and B with receiving stolen property.
I was surprised to find out that the Ca State Penal code § 182 paragraph 4 lays out the specific charge for conspiracy to cheat and sentencing guidelines are 1 yr county and/or 10K max fine.

Would there be any chance of a Larceny charge due to the amount of money? California jail is so packed you'd be out in 3 or 4 months. Almost worth stealing 250K at that point.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:15 PM   #3063
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It's insanely hard to give JFK the benefit of the doubt on any of this when he had multiple players (including top pros, not "jealous 1/2 locals") and commentators repeatedly surface accusations, and he repeatedly led investigations turning up "fabrications" despite mountains of suspicious hands and behaviors in the videos he consistently watched and supposedly investigated.

Just like Mike is either the GOAT poker player or a cheater, Justin is either the most incompetent moron ever or a cheater.
The fact that Mike can't win when Justin isn't around is enough to convince me that he's involved.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:16 PM   #3064
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Can we get a mod to pin post 3015 to the beginning of thread?
I've sent a message to the NVG mods, as I agree with you. (You can also use the report button - the red triangle - to make requests like this). It was a nice little summary from Loctus.
In normal circumstances, I might try writing cliff notes for the thread, but everything is moving so quickly that they'd be out of date within 10 minutes!
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:17 PM   #3065
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JFK said that Mike had the nuts in the graphic change.

But in the 30 minutes after, is there footage of Mike leaving the table to talk to JFK? If not, that's another major , major smoking gun that JFK needs to explain.
I believe any communication such as that must have happened just before the cards actually changed to 89s on-screen. In any case, Mike P probably didn't communicate or tell them, hey, change my cards!!. There was no need to do that, they already know what his cards are or aren't. He's not that smart-- they probably just realized on the fly after he did that boneheaded re-raise, that they had to change the cards on the screen right then. This actually invalidates the theory that it could have been a "oh I told him later that it was 89s", because the cards changed mid-hand on the river====>> **I BELIEVE THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POINT GUYS**

I realize this is basically your point too, but just wanted to lay out this scenario for anyone who might be confused about how it probably went down.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:18 PM   #3066
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I don't know how RFID tech works, which is why it would be great to get feedback from Feldman, Berkey, and other experts.
???

You might as well replace "RFID tech" with "Quantum Mechanics". They are users of RFID technology, not experts on how it works.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:18 PM   #3067
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The fact that Mike can't win when Justin isn't around is enough to convince me that he's involved.
Yep, and that first investigation and statement, lmao.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:19 PM   #3068
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It’s sooooo satisfying to see POS get hero-called on the river, I’ve only seen a couple. Was it Bart Hanson with the JJ hand?

In those hands, the caller must be like “phew, I was right” and thinking “no wonder he crushes if he’s always putting people in these spots”, but not realising he does it because he knows your hand.
Yea.

Btw, how come he's always bluffing (even in weird spots) against 3rd pair or something on the river? Reeeeaally lucky

Villain never has an ace/top pair...

He never bluffs into the nuts.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:19 PM   #3069
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It's insanely hard to give JFK the benefit of the doubt on any of this when he had multiple players (including top pros, not "jealous 1/2 locals") and commentators repeatedly surface accusations, and he repeatedly led investigations turning up "fabrications" despite mountains of suspicious hands and behaviors in the videos he consistently watched and supposedly investigated.

Just like Mike is either the GOAT poker player or a cheater, Justin is either the most incompetent moron ever or a cheater.
Justin might not know a single meaningful thing about poker. If he is in a close relationship with the cheating parties, it's easy to believe they instructed him that "Big winning will look like cheating to people who don't know better, we should be prepared for that."

I wonder if Justin has had an exit plan all along.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:24 PM   #3070
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If this is true and hole cards are sometimes randomly and non persistently misread then my theory falls apart.
Can you send me the video link with a timestamps so I can see for myself?
I was looking for other evidence at the time, so didn't get a timestamp, or even remember which stream it happened in. Indeed, I misremembered the guy's name. It was Mark, not Paul. I get all the apostles mixed up.
If I see another RFID mix up, I'll let you know.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:27 PM   #3071
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Can we get a mod to pin post 3015 to the beginning of thread?
Yes. Great post. Done.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:31 PM   #3072
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https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=3274

At 54.30 Justin appears in the background and is in conversation with Mike for a short while.


Watching this interaction between Postle and Justin again and something else popped out.

We suspect that the device used on this stream is a phone on his lap. While he is talking to Justin, his arm is blocking his lap the whole time. As soon as Justin leaves, back to his normal crotch looking position.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:33 PM   #3073
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Has anyone asked directly asked Mike P why he looks straight down at his crotch so much while pretending to be looking at his cards?
IIRC, I'm pretty sure that was covered in Super System Volume 1
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:34 PM   #3074
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If this is true and hole cards are sometimes randomly and non persistently misread then my theory falls apart.
Can you send me the video link with a timestamps so I can see for myself?
Oh I found one, which kind of kills all the 98ss swapover conspiracy talk. (As I said many hours ago, I think Postle really did have the nuts in that one).

See https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=613 (hand starts at about 10m13s if the link doesn't take you there directly).
Trent appears to be making weird plays with T6o versus Mark's 86o. The commentators even guess that it's an RFID error... and then it magically gets fixed at showdown.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:35 PM   #3075
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I know this doesn't mean anything but his immediate response of "sorry I'm better at poker than you" pretty much told me right away this dude was incredibly guilty. I have never once heard an innocent person talk that way.
btw not to get political here but this is the same exact way Trump acts whenever he's caught doing something he's obviously guilty of. the tells are so obvious. that 10-part text where he's just relaying how good he was in the PartyPoker days and bragging about beating "Durrrrrrrr" one time as though that's proof he's innocent is pretty much exactly what I'd expect a narcissist like him to do. nobody who is actually decent at poker would think results from a decade ago would exonerate you of a thing like this.
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