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Old 10-04-2019, 12:33 PM   #3026
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I don’t know if Justin was involved or not. I lean yes but maybe like 80% certain.

Postle is a fantastic tell-box; what he does is a result of continuous poor calculation. Ironic that Justin seems much harder to read, he's not a poker player. He also doesn't seem to calculate much at all - ex. every strategic comment Postle makes is met with a lame agreement from Justin and then he moves on.

It's hard to tell if Justin is fully involved, partially involved (like giving them a key every day with or without knowledge of the exploits), or just a simple and plain promoter of the casino.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:33 PM   #3027
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Man, the vibe from Stones is not a good one right now. Feels like the Titty Twister in From Dusk Til Dawm, but instead of Salma Hayak and titties and vampires n violence, you get RFID shenanigans, bone conducting hats, voices in the peenis, and oh yeah CHEATED.

playing online right now gonna rip 4-5 off in a 3 way 4 bet pot, BRB
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:34 PM   #3028
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Scot Van Pelt of ESPN quoted Doug Polk almost identically...

This isn't verbatim but...

If you're crushing and never losing, why are you staying at a smaller casino with lower stakes and live cam? Why aren't you in Vegas crushing those rooms?
Because as you go up in stakes, the competition gets tougher. Also, the chances of people cheating increases.

For example: I was making nearly as much in a 1/2 100 buyin game as a 5/10 500 buyin game (both home games, non raked, social). And, not to state the obvious, but my downswings and variance dropped dramatically.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:35 PM   #3029
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Not a huge red flag but I found the Postle's commentary on his turn bet on Joeys latest video - 1:04:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaek0o6eYTo - a little strange.

He talks about repping the overpair prior. The pot is 4 ways, turn card could bring 2pair, a set, pair and straight draw combinations, a player could have slow played the rainbow board on the flop, possibly even a straight although he has a blocker.

Mike says that he expected 3 folds (which is a little strange in itself imo) and the only person he expected to call is 'The Wolf', who happens to have the best hand.

People can fall pray to commentating on a hand differently than what their thinking was while in the hand, but it seems a little like he's talking like he always knew all the hands.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:35 PM   #3030
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Scot Van Pelt of ESPN quoted Doug Polk almost identically...

This isn't verbatim but...

If you're crushing and never losing, why are you staying at a smaller casino with lower stakes and live cam? Why aren't you in Vegas crushing those rooms?
Scott likes quoting. He doesn't mind mixing in a few other words here and there occasionally. I think all and all Scott prefers paraphrasing, but he doesn't mind working in some quoting.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:39 PM   #3031
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It's textbook narcissism. Him getting over on all these people feeds his ego and drives on the disorder to a higher degree.

The successful cheating reinforces his belief he is by far the smartest person in the room.

We see further evidence in his defence. He has crushed Tom Dwan and online for years, is banned from WSOP because of some rogue security guard...

He was relishing the oppurtunity of the 25/50 game with pros so as to demonstrate his far superior intellect and crush them at something they have dedicated their lives towards.

The downfall of the narcissist is their inability to comprehend the thoughts of others and to approach their own story from a neutral perspective, failing to recognise basic contradictions and factual inaccuracies as a result.
Agree completely. A total narcissistic putz believing his own hype.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:39 PM   #3032
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Postle literally never once denies it. I read all 6 pages of that babbling to Angry_Polak and his tweets at the time, he just goes on and on about how much it hurts him. Not a single moment of “I wasn’t cheating.” If I was cheating and people accused me of cheating, I would be a broken record of “I’m not cheating, I’m not cheating.”
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:40 PM   #3033
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:42 PM   #3034
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jdsX8vkMI

Someone posted this link before. It's a Stones stream where the video is down, so Mike comes into the booth to talk for an hour.

He talks about how a prostitute came up to him and a buddy in Caesars, and after kicking her out, security talks to him and a buddy in which they are jackasses, and they get kicked out too and are arrested by cops. Later he talks about being pick pocketed down south somewhere, then confronts the person in a casino there, and gets banned from a Harrah/Caesars. Don't know if he is fully believable, but just comes off as really douchey.

At 2:40:00 he starts talking about cheating in poker....the irony. He talks about the UB or Absolute Bet scandal and how he was affected and how he was one of the first people to report it to the company.

The video just gives a good impression about who he is, and is worth a watch.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:43 PM   #3035
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Based on my understanding, there is a way to change the graphics retroactively (i.e. somewhere in the 30 minute window when the show was produced and when it was shown on twitch). However, this would be very difficult and not worth the extra effort to make these changes. This would completely change how the stream was set up and make everything much more complicated. Further, we have seen no evidence that Stones had ever done this in their stream. Based on JFK's statements, he claims that Mike told him he had 89ss sometime in the 30 minute window and they went back and changed the graphics. However, if they had the ability to update the graphics why wouldn't they have made the change at the beginning of the hand and not on the last action of the river??? It doesn't make any sense at all. The graphics were changed in real time in the 15 or so seconds after Tbone raises and Mike reraises allin. The producer would never know that his cards were wrong and what they were.

Stones production staff can change hole cards in the middle of a hand. I just don’t know how they would know it was wrong.

In this hand, the 9(h)/3(c) gets changed to 9(h)/8(s) on the turn to give this player (not Postle) a full house. The change occurs a few seconds after the turn card while the hand is in progress.

♠️ Link from 9/14/19 - hand starts at 32:21

https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:44 PM   #3036
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Also I’m surprised no one mentions the exec producer and precious technician of stones live, who incidentally trained on RFID graphics under runitup (in his own writing). This guy is way more realistic of an accomplice with the tech background.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:45 PM   #3037
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(At the end of the day, Postle might actually have had 89ss in that hand, it is possible)
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:46 PM   #3038
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So it, to me, doesn't seem like wrongly registered cards are wrongly registered all the time, actually..
Agreed. Since everyone's been focusing at Postle hands, they see RFID errors that affect Mike quite often, but I was searching for smoking guns on other streams last night, and the wrong cards are 'randomly' shown for other people too. (In one spot, the black guy Paul had a trash hand, but the screen said he had aces, and the commentators said something like "Oh, we've been told the graphics are wrong again".)
The RFID software apparently gets "confused" sometimes, which is why the broadcast producer, which seem more often to be Taylor, not Justin, informs the commentators prior to the delayed broadcast. The 89ss hand is just extra weird, because Taylor (I presume) manually overlaid the "correct" card graphics on the river. Usually they didn't bother changing them, but just warned the commentators with words to the effect of "The cards are wrong when the board comes XXXXX".

FWIW, I got a really bad feeling last night when watching bits of the hand history interview between Justin and Mike, shortly after I read his tweet (now hidden) where he said Mike was his favourite player because of his sick plays (and he added a clip where Mike was clearly superusing). I find it really hard to believe that Justin would conduct that interview in such a relaxed manner if he knew what was really going on. He just acts like a fanboy that really believes Mike plays like a god.

Imo, either Justin is a narcissistic psychopath that gets a buzz out of brazenly displaying his own "crimes" in public (almost as if he wants to get caught), or he's just the ultimate fanboy of his friend, and literally never thought or believed that Mike was up to no good. (Hence the sham "investigation". He never questioned Mike, because he believed him implicitly).
It's somewhat plausible that Justin was naive enough to think that Mike really was a poker God. (Amusingly, this reading has Justin as an apostle of a false God.)
Like some of the commentators, caught up in their promotion of the stream, it's possible that Justin really believed in the myth.

If the latter is true, it's presumably Taylor that is the insider that is Mike's most likely accomplice. The whole thing is so confusing, that I don't know what to think any more. :/
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:46 PM   #3039
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Postle is a fantastic tell-box; what he does is a result of continuous poor calculation. Ironic that Justin seems much harder to read, he's not a poker player. He also doesn't seem to calculate much at all - ex. every strategic comment Postle makes is met with a lame agreement from Justin and then he moves on.

It's hard to tell if Justin is fully involved, partially involved (like giving them a key every day with or without knowledge of the exploits), or just a simple and plain promoter of the casino.
Not only that, he claims to read people so well yet rarely appears to try to engage them while in a hand. He typically is not even following the table until it's his turn to act.

Must be great to be able to read people and hands without really paying attention.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:48 PM   #3040
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Watch a few of the videos of Mike Postle laughing and taunting his victims as he cheats them out of their money on the river ... and then realize that poor Mike has a daughter.

Yeah, we don't care scum bag.

And I really don't care if Justin is in on the scam or not. If he is guilty, he deserves a kick in butt out the door and out of the industry. If he isn't guilty, then he is so incompetent and/or negligent, he deserves a kick in the butt out the door and out of the industry.

I'm waiting for the gaming commission to start levying some fines and some civil lawsuits from cheated victims.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:50 PM   #3041
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thats mark kroon right?

does anyone know these other ppl that seem to know mike?









adam the admin from p5s seems to have known him as well

theres also his fav players on p5:



does anyone know who those could be other than leggy and ho?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:51 PM   #3042
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Hey, I set out to double-check if wrongly registered cards always are wrongly registered, which if true would've confirmed your theory. I used this session since it had a big misreading in it:



In this hand, there's a double error on the board. Td Qs are registering as Jd 6s.



BUT, earlier in that same session the Td registers correctly, here:
So it, to me, doesn't seem like wrongly registered cards are wrongly registered all the time, actually..

I don't know how RFID tech works, which is why it would be great to get feedback from Feldman, Berkey, and other experts.

However my sense is that there are two distinct ways that a card can be misread.

The first way pertains only to the community cards and occurs if the discard pile is placed too close to the middle table sensor. The sensor then picks up a mix of discards in place of the actual cards on the board.

The second type of error pertains both to community cards and whole cards and occurs when an RFID code is improperly assigned to one or more cards in the deck.

The first type of error is completely random and non persistent.

The second type of error will show up in each and every instance where the bogus card is sensed.

The first type of error can never apply to hole cards because there are never any other cards next to the players personalized sensor. Therefore we can be sure that if Postle did hold a nine then that nine would have a category two error with its code. That error would persistently produce misreads whenever the card hit a sensor.


We could do a sanity check with the graphics you pulled and see whether the mistaken flop cards are in fact discards from other players hands. In the first hand were the J diamonds and 6 spades folded by players?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:51 PM   #3043
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This thread Mike started made me lol.


https://www.pocketfives.com/forums/t...ud-can-happen/
what are the chances he was scamming even back then? it says they refunded the money to his account, and then his account somehow got emptied again even after that. seems fishy knowing what all we know about him now.

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According to Bluff Magazine, ranked poker player Mike Postle is one of the most popular players in the online community. So popular, in fact, that people not only want to be like him, someone actually wanted to be him. An unknown individual impersonating Postle made 3 withdrawals from WSEX Poker over the telephone, and finally succeeded in emptying his account. This strange tale begins with the imposter telephoning WSEX and making a $3300 withdrawal. Postle caught this and complained to WSEX, who then investigated and refunded the money to his account. Shocked that this transfer could occur so easily, Postle requested WSEX be more careful screening anyone making any future withdrawals. Approximately a week and a half ago, Postle tried to log into his account, and was denied. Contacting support, he learned the imposter had changed the password, and was attempting to make another withdrawal in the amount of $2800. WSEX canceled the transfer, and Postle closed that account and reopened another. He was furious at this point that someone could accomplish all of this over the telephone. Last weekend, Postle again logged in and discovered his account was empty. Calling the account manager, he was told all funds in the account had been transferred the day before, and was then reprimanded for trying to impersonate Mike Postle. Shocked, he explained that he was indeed himself, but the account manager didn’t believe him, even though he was able to provide details only he would know. Now his account was empty and WSEX had accused him of impersonating himself. He contacted support four more times, each time having to tell the same story over and over, and was promised a supervisor would contact him. Thus far, this has not been done. PokerRoomReview is assisting him in trying to correct this bizarre and unfortunate situation.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:51 PM   #3044
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The 9-25 game is where he folds vs Marle at the 5:12 mark
Can you just imagine if the idiot wasn't so greedy and paid off Marle on this hand none of this would be going on right now? I mean come on, how dumb can you be to not lose a few hands on purpose when you are cheating. Especially when plays like this will only raise more suspicious on those already doubting you.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:51 PM   #3045
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Because as you go up in stakes, the competition gets tougher. Also, the chances of people cheating increases.

For example: I was making nearly as much in a 1/2 100 buyin game as a 5/10 500 buyin game (both home games, non raked, social). And, not to state the obvious, but my downswings and variance dropped dramatically.
There isn’t a single nl game in Vegas or LA that plays like stones poker does. I’m amazed at the kind of action I’ve seen and wouldn’t be surprised in the least if la and lv grinders set up camp at stones live.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:54 PM   #3046
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Has anyone reviewed Mike's play from 2016-17? What were his results and how he acted at the table and whether or not he was doing the whole phone thing?
from what i saw of the 2016 streams he was break even at best. 9 sessions where he for sure lost in 7 of them, could have broken even or slight winner in 1, then a 2-3k winner in the other.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:55 PM   #3047
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Postle literally never once denies it. I read all 6 pages of that babbling to Angry_Polak and his tweets at the time, he just goes on and on about how much it hurts him. Not a single moment of “I wasn’t cheating.” If I was cheating and people accused me of cheating, I would be a broken record of “I’m not cheating, I’m not cheating.”
I know this doesn't mean anything but his immediate response of "sorry I'm better at poker than you" pretty much told me right away this dude was incredibly guilty. I have never once heard an innocent person talk that way.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:55 PM   #3048
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Agreed. Since everyone's been focusing at Postle hands, they see RFID errors that affect Mike quite often, but I was searching for smoking guns on other streams last night, and the wrong cards are 'randomly' shown for other people too. (In one spot, the black guy Paul had a trash hand, but the screen said he had aces, and the commentators said something like "Oh, we've been told the graphics are wrong again".)
The RFID software apparently gets "confused" sometimes, which is why the broadcast producer, which seem more often to be Taylor, not Justin, informs the commentators prior to the delayed broadcast. The 89ss hand is just extra weird, because Taylor (I presume) manually overlaid the "correct" card graphics on the river. Usually they didn't bother changing them, but just warned the commentators with words to the effect of "The cards are wrong when the board comes XXXXX".

FWIW, I got a really bad feeling last night when watching bits of the hand history interview between Justin and Mike, shortly after I read his tweet (now hidden) where he said Mike was his favourite player because of his sick plays (and he added a clip where Mike was clearly superusing). I find it really hard to believe that Justin would conduct that interview in such a relaxed manner if he knew what was really going on. He just acts like a fanboy that really believes Mike plays like a god.

Imo, either Justin is a narcissistic psychopath that gets a buzz out of brazenly displaying his own "crimes" in public (almost as if he wants to get caught), or he's just the ultimate fanboy of his friend, and literally never thought or believed that Mike was up to no good. (Hence the sham "investigation". He never questioned Mike, because he believed him implicitly).
It's somewhat plausible that Justin was naive enough to think that Mike really was a poker God. (Amusingly, this reading has Justin as an apostle of a false God.)
Like some of the commentators, caught up in their promotion of the stream, it's possible that Justin really believed in the myth.

If the latter is true, it's presumably Taylor that is the insider that is Mike's most likely accomplice. The whole thing is so confusing, that I don't know what to think any more. :/
If this is true and hole cards are sometimes randomly and non persistently misread then my theory falls apart.
Can you send me the video link with a timestamps so I can see for myself?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:57 PM   #3049
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Can we get a mod to pin post 3015 to the beginning of thread?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:57 PM   #3050
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We could do a sanity check with the graphics you pulled and see whether the mistaken flop cards are in fact discards from other players hands. In the first hand were the J diamonds and 6 spades folded by players?
They were not, no. But there is one player who folds preflop without us being displayed her cards, Sasha (the straddle in that hand). Her cards get mucked by being dragged across the flop area by the dealer. J6 could have been her holecards I suppose, then dragged across the flop and registered but that's just wild conjecture

edit: The first flopcard which is put face down on the table by the dealer is the 3s though, which is the card that gets displayed correctly. So the table RFID technology may have read Sasha's preflop fold, which then was J6, as the first flop cards, and then the 3s, which was the first card put down by the dealer for the flop. That works out. Could be so.

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