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Old 10-04-2019, 11:47 AM   #3001
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When is the stream commented on? Live, or when it's cast to viewers? Because if it's when the stream is cast to viewers (like PokerStars) then that could explain how they correct the cards. I've read here though that the stream is commented on in real time, which is illegal in Nevada I think according to WSOP stream commentary iirc.

What about the Bike casts?
Yes Ryan Feldman confirmed on Twitter that he had previously spoken to the producer of the Stones show and that it was produced in exactly the same way as LATB. The video is produced live (i.e. one or two "producers" watching the live footage as the RFID cards automatically populate on the video with the producers entering the betting action and amounts). 30 minutes later, the commentators watched the video and commentate over it.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:47 AM   #3002
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Yes my feeling is that someone had to have been manipulating the feed in real time as the hand was playing out.

I'm not an expert but i think that the graphics get overlayed automatically by a piece of software as the data comes in to the server. This can then be manually edited if there are any anomalies. The edits and overlays are done in real time and go out to the world on a delay, so we are seeing the edits as they happened in the hand right ? Perhaps we are wrong and this time Mike did just have 89ss and the correction was innocent but it just seems too weird. Especially for the guy to run up to the commentary booth to shout it.

If someone knows better than I how poker live streams work please chip in and correct me...
The guy didn't run up to the commentary booth to shout it (they're commentating on a 30 minute delay anyway, remember). It was relayed to them by Taylor - the 'producer' - who is present by the booth.

Simultaneously, on the Youtube Livechat the JFK account (Justin K) stated Mike had told him his cards were 8s9s. Is this solely what Taylor is basing his info on? Is it Justin operating that account at the time?

Can the graphics be changed whilst the stream is being broadcast, or are the changes 'locked in' whilst they're being processed; ie - we're seeing on the feed changes that happened whilst the hand was playing out 30 mins previously?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:48 AM   #3003
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Scot Van Pelt of ESPN quoted Doug Polk almost identically...

This isn't verbatim but...

If you're crushing and never losing, why are you staying at a smaller casino with lower stakes and live cam? Why aren't you in Vegas crushing those rooms?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:49 AM   #3004
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I feel sorry for the degen donks in these games chasing their losses against Mike. The sad look on Franks scarred by life-face makes me really sad.

What gets me fired up the most about this is not so much the greed, the stupidity, the blatant stealing, not even the conspirators praising this tool over and over again. It's how this manchild smiles, literally laughing in their faces, getting a kick out of ****ing people over hand for hand for hand.

Mike, it's going to suck a lot being you from now on. Stop crying and start to accept, that you deserve all of this. I feel sorry for your daughter, that you decided to drag into this, you POS. **** you Mike!

I think it's best for me to stop following this, puts me on lifetilt lol
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:52 AM   #3005
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Without the hat on I doubt people even in the poker world will recognise him.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:53 AM   #3006
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After the infamous Potripper win, when he called with 10 high no draw and won at the final table of a large buy in tournament, the initial outcry on here led to the first Absolute Poker statement which read as follows.

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We have yet to find any evidence of wrong doing. Our game client only receives data regarding the individuals hand and no other players hole cards, except in the event of a showdown. We have researched their play exhaustively and have found no proof that they had any knowledge of other player’s hole cards. So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity
Stones initial investigation into Mike Postle possibly superusing in some way led to this


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Old 10-04-2019, 11:54 AM   #3007
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Can you believe Mike is friends with Trump?

https://twitter.com/justabawss/statu...52132125741056
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:57 AM   #3008
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Yeah that makes sense. Regardless there's something fishy going on with their graphics
This is why Mike needs to STFU and lawyer up. He has the perfect defense: all of this hand analysis is based on the wrong information! The readers are often wrong, who knows what is really going on at that table, I'm being crucified based on erroneous information, etc., etc.

Sure, it doesn't explain his win rate. But no jury is going to convict if cards are being read wrong, it makes all of this analysis circumspect (to a jury, not to mathematicians or poker players).

Don't get me wrong, he's 100% guilty, that is clear. It's just now about how he can minimize his pain.

Having said all that, I doubt any of this will matter. My guess is the Stones investigation will find multiple smoking guns involving their own employees, who will basically turn on Mike to minimize their punishment. So he's toast, anyway.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:58 AM   #3009
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:58 AM   #3010
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After the infamous Potripper win, when he called with 10 high no draw and won at the final table of a large buy in tournament, the initial outcry on here led to the first Absolute Poker statement which read as follows.



Stones initial investigation into Mike Postle possibly superusing in some way led to this

The line about the allegations being "completely fabricated" is what really gets me. That's an absurd statement to make even if you found no evidence of cheating

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:58 AM   #3011
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I feel sorry for the degen donks in these games chasing their losses against Mike. The sad look on Franks scarred by life-face makes me really sad.

What gets me fired up the most about this is not so much the greed, the stupidity, the blatant stealing, not even the conspirators praising this tool over and over again. It's how this manchild smiles, literally laughing in their faces, getting a kick out of ****ing people over hand for hand for hand.

Mike, it's going to suck a lot being you from now on. Stop crying and start to accept, that you deserve all of this. I feel sorry for your daughter, that you decided to drag into this, you POS. **** you Mike!

I think it's best for me to stop following this, puts me on lifetilt lol
It's textbook narcissism. Him getting over on all these people feeds his ego and drives on the disorder to a higher degree.

The successful cheating reinforces his belief he is by far the smartest person in the room.

We see further evidence in his defence. He has crushed Tom Dwan and online for years, is banned from WSOP because of some rogue security guard...

He was relishing the oppurtunity of the 25/50 game with pros so as to demonstrate his far superior intellect and crush them at something they have dedicated their lives towards.

The downfall of the narcissist is their inability to comprehend the thoughts of others and to approach their own story from a neutral perspective, failing to recognise basic contradictions and factual inaccuracies as a result.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:58 AM   #3012
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The guy didn't run up to the commentary booth to shout it (they're commentating on a 30 minute delay anyway, remember). It was relayed to them by Taylor - the 'producer' - who is present by the booth.

Simultaneously, on the Youtube Livechat the JFK account (Justin K) stated Mike had told him his cards were 8s9s. Is this solely what Taylor is basing his info on? Is it Justin operating that account at the time?

Can the graphics be changed whilst the stream is being broadcast, or are the changes 'locked in' whilst they're being processed; ie - we're seeing on the feed changes that happened whilst the hand was playing out 30 mins previously?
Oh yeah that's what i meant i thought the taylor guy was relaying the info to the booth after the 30 min delay.

I forgot about the livechat info that seems super weird. It definitely seems like there was a bit of a web of lies being created. Surely the server keeps records of the RFID data so we can see how the cards were actually registered by the receiver vs what went out on the software. The whole 'mike told me off stream what his cards were' is so hear-say that it's almost a perfect cover up.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:02 PM   #3013
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Simultaneously, on the Youtube Livechat the JFK account (Justin K) stated Mike had told him his cards were 8s9s.
Just this fact alone, if true, is extremely damaging to Mike and Justin K. This sort of relaying/communication of "what I had" during the live sessions (even a few minutes after the hand) is improper to be having with the person who runs the operation and has potential/likely access to live hole cards, and could/should lead people to wonder if they are actively communicating during hands. Eg, their "good friend" relationship is a huge conflict of interest in any case.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:02 PM   #3014
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Note also that Mike has yet to address accusations of failed business ventures or mediocre online results.

A narcissist cannot accept failings as the superiority complex is a core part of their personality.

And he did not lose his daughter - the universe took her away from him - only his superior intellect and strategy allowed him to see her once more.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:10 PM   #3015
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Q: Who is Mike Postle?
A: Mike Postle is a long time poker pro. He is suspected of having cheated at the video-streamed pokertable at Stones Gambling Hall in Sacramento

Q: How much money has Postle won from other players in these games?
A: Approximation is $250k (source https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1066 )

Q: How statistically deviant is his play?
A: Very. Some calculations put it as more unlikely than 1 to the number of atoms in the universe. See bb/100 vs VPIP graph: https://i.gyazo.com/9640d7665da6f5fb...c935334fbb.png (Source unknown)

Q: How do people think he cheated?
A: Likely via getting the exact holecards of his opponents relayed to his phone which he keeps very discretely between his legs while playing, and/or to bone conductive headphones hidden under his hat. This would likely require access to the actual live feed from the RFID/tech-room

Q: Who is Justin Kuraitis?
A: An employee and TD of Stones Gambling hall. He's responsible for the tech team that runs the livestream. He's for a multitude of reasons suspected to be Mike's possible inside man in the possible cheating scheme

Q: But Postle doesn't always win when he plays
A: True. He has had losing sessions on stream where he plays quite normally. They seem to coincide with Justin Kuraitis being out of town.

Q: Is the stream commentated on in real time when the play takes place, or on delay?
A: It's commented on delay, as all streams of this kind are. Only the RFID tech room has (read: should have) access to the actual live footage and hands. They then set up the graphics etc, and transmit that footage delayed to the commentary booth and viewers.

Q: Who is Taylor Smith?
A: Another tech team employee of Stones Live Casino. Some consider him suspect due to his involvement in correcting holecards for a crazy hand Mike played, among other things. It's still unclear what Mike's actual holecards were in that infamous hand (68o, or 89ss). T.S may be entirely innocent and should be treated as such, just as Postle and Kuraitis should be until found guilty in a court of law

Q: Why is this blowing wide open just now this week?
A: A former employee and commentator of the stream, @Angry_Polak, took to twitter. @joeingram1 took her allegations seriously, as opposed to many others she had previously raised her suspicions to, and then the ball started rolling

Further reading:

Longer cliff-notes/Summary: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1045

Pokernews links:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...ames-35562.htm
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...tion-35584.htm

Local Fox40 news: https://fox40.com/2019/10/03/poker-w...g-allegations/

ESPN segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixqxi9Aq84Y
Joeingram (chicagojoey) youtube page with deep-going investigating of Mike's play: https://www.youtube.com/user/joeingram1/videos
Doug Polk video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDtE9vrRiA

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:12 PM   #3016
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The guy didn't run up to the commentary booth to shout it (they're commentating on a 30 minute delay anyway, remember). It was relayed to them by Taylor - the 'producer' - who is present by the booth.

Simultaneously, on the Youtube Livechat the JFK account (Justin K) stated Mike had told him his cards were 8s9s. Is this solely what Taylor is basing his info on? Is it Justin operating that account at the time?

Can the graphics be changed whilst the stream is being broadcast, or are the changes 'locked in' whilst they're being processed; ie - we're seeing on the feed changes that happened whilst the hand was playing out 30 mins previously?
Based on my understanding, there is a way to change the graphics retroactively (i.e. somewhere in the 30 minute window when the show was produced and when it was shown on twitch). However, this would be very difficult and not worth the extra effort to make these changes. This would completely change how the stream was set up and make everything much more complicated. Further, we have seen no evidence that Stones had ever done this in their stream. Based on JFK's statements, he claims that Mike told him he had 89ss sometime in the 30 minute window and they went back and changed the graphics. However, if they had the ability to update the graphics why wouldn't they have made the change at the beginning of the hand and not on the last action of the river??? It doesn't make any sense at all. The graphics were changed in real time in the 15 or so seconds after Tbone raises and Mike reraises allin. The producer would never know that his cards were wrong and what they were.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:15 PM   #3017
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If the graphics are wrong on the flop cards, wouldn't this explain Mike actually playing the hand in a more normalized fashion and not in god mode? If the flop is incorrect they may feel that the hole cards are incorrect and the opponent may not have 33, so he plays it as he normally would if he had top 2 against a range of hands as opposed to having top 2 vs bottom set.
The board is more likely to be incorrect than hole cards. Cards that are mucked (especially from dealers right) often pass over/near where the board goes, the muck and burn pile are close to the board, and the entire deck in the dealers hand gets close as well.

This doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen with some frequency that the board, especially the flop, has 1 or 2 cards wrong.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:17 PM   #3018
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Although at the moment this investigation is focussing attention on Postle and his two collaborators at the Stones casino, people need to consider if it is bigger than these three.

If they have worked out this scam, then others will have too, as intercepting a live feed will be a consideration at any place that does filming of a table.

But also a big concern for me is he is clearly a poor player without his back up feeding him information on others hands, yet he has won $500K in live tournament play. His Hendon mob results show he wins tournaments at very specific venues, were these results achieved through cheating?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:17 PM   #3019
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It's textbook narcissism. Him getting over on all these people feeds his ego and drives on the disorder to a higher degree.

The successful cheating reinforces his belief he is by far the smartest person in the room.

We see further evidence in his defence. He has crushed Tom Dwan and online for years, is banned from WSOP because of some rogue security guard...

He was relishing the oppurtunity of the 25/50 game with pros so as to demonstrate his far superior intellect and crush them at something they have dedicated their lives towards.

The downfall of the narcissist is their inability to comprehend the thoughts of others and to approach their own story from a neutral perspective, failing to recognise basic contradictions and factual inaccuracies as a result.
Massive ego is a helluva drug.

At a minimum Justin and Mike (and likely Taylor) pulled this charade off for awhile and started to feel bulletproof.

I still think Justin is likely the ringleader here.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:17 PM   #3020
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I don’t know if Justin was involved or not. I lean yes but maybe like 80% certain.

However, if you ever heard him try to do any analysis of a poker hand you will find out very quickly that he has little to no knowledge of even basic strategy. I doubt he had any clue that these plays were suspicious and that’s why he never said anything to mike about playing it a little bit cool. My thoughts at least.

Which I guess would also work in his favor if he wasn’t involved and maybe just legit didn’t find any evidence because he just has no clue. No excuse tho.

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:19 PM   #3021
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Jeez, sometimes I read some of the crap people post here and almost wish Mike was innocent. But then I watch the hands again lol.

Anyway, this thread is half interesting and legit investigation/speculation and half *******ry and stupidity.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:22 PM   #3022
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Is there any reason to suspect that the RFID linked cards/tables are used outside of the stream games?

Suppose I go play there on a Thursday afternoon on my day off and they seat me at a random table. Am I playing at an RFID equipped table/deck?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:24 PM   #3023
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Is there any reason to suspect that the RFID linked cards/tables are used outside of the stream games?

Suppose I go play there on a Thursday afternoon on my day off and they seat me at a random table. Am I playing at an RFID equipped table/deck?
rfid cards are a lot more expensive and don't work with the auto shufflers, so I highly doubt they'd ever put them in a non-streamed game.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:29 PM   #3024
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I've googled them and I see £500 a pack.

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:29 PM   #3025
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Is there any reason to suspect that the RFID linked cards/tables are used outside of the stream games?

Suppose I go play there on a Thursday afternoon on my day off and they seat me at a random table. Am I playing at an RFID equipped table/deck?
Not very likely, but there have been other instances of the cheating phone device being used in casino run poker games

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...billy-13018353
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