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Old 10-04-2019, 10:56 AM   #2976
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The RFID clearly misreads things sometimes, or displays the wrong thing. I dont think thats the important part. The improtant part is this:

Why would Mike Postle have informed Justin the 86o was wrong and he had 89ss?
- he would either need to be bragging to justin(who brags about playing the nuts like the nuts), or know the graphic was wrong? How could he know the graphic was wrong, or the rfid signal was wrong?

The only reasonable explanation is that Mike was watching stream, and saw the hand come up, and within the start of the hand to the correction, contacted JFK to let him know what his real hand was. But why would he care so much?

Has anybody looked at the 30 minutes after the hand to see if he is texting on his phone to JFK?

No matter what, at some point i the ~35 minutes after that hand, he had to be in contact with JFK. Anybody watch this with a close eye and pinpoint possible contact moments?
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:58 AM   #2977
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Just a minor quibble but that evidence doesn't show the 9 of diamonds as the flops appear to be manually inputted
Is that really the way the system works? I assumed the system was fully automated and that there was a sensor in the middle of the table that automatically detects the community cards. Sometimes we do see errors in the flop graphics, right? That wouldn't be the case with manual entry, but would indicate the sensor is mistakenly reading the discards.

If flops are manually inputted then that's more of a major quibble that blows a hole in my argument.

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:03 AM   #2978
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Someone with more skills than me should do a video of his hands set to Fort Minor's Remember the Name:

Forget Mike, nobody really knows how or why he works so hard
It seems like he's never got time
Because he writes every note and he writes every line
And I've seen him at work when that light goes on in his mind
It's like a design is written in his head every time
Before he even touches a key or speaks in a rhyme
And those mother****ers he runs with, the kids that he signed
Ridiculous, without even trying, how do they do it
I’m not doing anything this weekend. This parody video must be made.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:08 AM   #2979
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The RFID clearly misreads things sometimes, or displays the wrong thing. I dont think thats the important part. The improtant part is this:

Why would Mike Postle have informed Justin the 86o was wrong and he had 89ss?
- he would either need to be bragging to justin(who brags about playing the nuts like the nuts), or know the graphic was wrong? How could he know the graphic was wrong, or the rfid signal was wrong?

The only reasonable explanation is that Mike was watching stream, and saw the hand come up, and within the start of the hand to the correction, contacted JFK to let him know what his real hand was. But why would he care so much?

Has anybody looked at the 30 minutes after the hand to see if he is texting on his phone to JFK?

No matter what, at some point i the ~35 minutes after that hand, he had to be in contact with JFK. Anybody watch this with a close eye and pinpoint possible contact moments?
My theory on graphic-gate is this:

This is some of the strongest evidence for an accomplice. This is how i believe it happened.

1. Accomplice is feeding MP the data via headphone or via phone.
2. MP gets involved in this ridiculous superuser hand with 86o. The graphic is correct.
3. Their plan on the river goes awry, mike gets the news that he should raise to get 96 off the hand. Hero tank re-raises and owns him, the plan is scuppered.
4. At this point a clever person would just fold so as to maintain the integrity of the cheat, take the loss and move on knowing that play is going to work 98% of the time.
5. Mike is a dumbo and goes for the Jam, getting the fold. Accomplice thinks S***! we are getting busted when this hand is streamed. Changes the graphic and tells MP to NOT show his hand to the video feed.

could be wrong
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:08 AM   #2980
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To play devil's advocate here, this hand looks like a point for Mike.

There actually is a graphics error proving they can happen (though it is not fixed at any point in the hand)
He never feels the side of his head.
He has his phone on the table.
He bet/calls flop drawing to 4 outs.
He bets $540 ott in a spot where he shouldn't expect a fold if he knows his opponent's cards.
River's weird but not suspicious iyam. River would be suspicious in isolation but not with fl/tu play.
Nice sum up, but are we not assuming that he doesn't always have the gadgets and people in place ?

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:14 AM   #2981
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My theory on graphic-gate is this:

This is some of the strongest evidence for an accomplice. This is how i believe it happened.

1. Accomplice is feeding MP the data via headphone or via phone.
2. MP gets involved in this ridiculous superuser hand with 86o. The graphic is correct.
3. Their plan on the river goes awry, mike gets the news that he should raise to get 96 off the hand. Hero tank re-raises and owns him, the plan is scuppered.
4. At this point a clever person would just fold so as to maintain the integrity of the cheat, take the loss and move on knowing that play is going to work 98% of the time.
5. Mike is a dumbo and goes for the Jam, getting the fold. Accomplice thinks S***! we are getting busted when this hand is streamed. Changes the graphic and tells MP to NOT show his hand to the video feed.

could be wrong

Maybe. I dont think Mike really ever shows his big bluffs. I am guessing they could have created a fail safe for this exact scenario, a case where he flies too close to the sun they can blame rfid.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:16 AM   #2982
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Another investigation

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...tion-35584.htm
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:17 AM   #2983
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I guess I didn't write it very well. He didn't lose in the games, but he also didn't crush them. What I mean is just that he splashed around a lot, trying to create action just to have a fun time at the table while talking and drinking. Definitely the vibe of not taking it as seriously when he played those games, but he didn't dump money at the table or anything. He was always great for the games because he got everybody else going. Also from talking about hands with him many times, you also get a vibe of whether they're good or not, if that makes sense.

I really do believe he was winning quite a bit online (just don't believe 2 million). I've hung out with him when he's played 10/25 online so I know he played that during that time, he had a decent house, car and all of that and would gamble high in the pit games while just playing cards for a living. I'm not trying to defend the guy in the least, it's just weird when people write backstories about how this all makes sense because he was a losing player all his life and all kinds of weird stuff I saw throughout the thread. And you talking about him being a massive loser in the game.

He was good, he was just never Stones Live good and he was definitely a bit of a Tunica local celebrity. Once again, not defending him, just filling in some of the backstory that I do know of.


Glad that you could confirm that Mike was lying when he said he'd been playing the same style of poker his entire career.


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Old 10-04-2019, 11:19 AM   #2984
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when do you think the smoking gun is going to drop? within the next 48 hours?

keep up the good work everyone.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:20 AM   #2985
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My theory on graphic-gate is this:

This is some of the strongest evidence for an accomplice. This is how i believe it happened.

1. Accomplice is feeding MP the data via headphone or via phone.
2. MP gets involved in this ridiculous superuser hand with 86o. The graphic is correct.
3. Their plan on the river goes awry, mike gets the news that he should raise to get 96 off the hand. Hero tank re-raises and owns him, the plan is scuppered.
4. At this point a clever person would just fold so as to maintain the integrity of the cheat, take the loss and move on knowing that play is going to work 98% of the time.
5. Mike is a dumbo and goes for the Jam, getting the fold. Accomplice thinks S***! we are getting busted when this hand is streamed. Changes the graphic and tells MP to NOT show his hand to the video feed.

could be wrong
Yeah this is pretty much on point with the most likely scenario here. A few notes, right before Mike 3bet shoves river he takes his hat off, so we can conclude he wasn't using the bone bluetooth to receive hands. Unfortunately, when TBone is tanking on the river, the video only shows him and not Mike. However, I believe during this time, the accomplice realized Tbone was considering making a move and texted Mike something along the lines of "If he raises, re-raise all in and I will change the graphics to the nuts. Don't show." Also you notice the timing of when the graphics change Mike's hand. They wait until after Tbone raises but leaves $800 behind. They couldn't change them earlier because if Tbone raised allin, Mike couldn't fold the nuts. As I'm typing this, it does seem maybe a little too sophisticated for these dolts, but still very possible.

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:21 AM   #2986
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Reposting evidence with screenshots that prove that a member of production staff falsified graphics in the 86o vs 96s hand to give Postle the nuts on the river. All nines in the deck were being properly read by the RFID sensors -- therefore, it is impossible that Postle could have had the nut straight on the 3T75J board, as was claimed.

I think it is very important to investigate this further, as this is one of the main pieces of evidence which implicates the existence of an inside associate to the cheating.

Hey, I set out to double-check if wrongly registered cards always are wrongly registered, which if true would've confirmed your theory. I used this session since it had a big misreading in it:

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My last hand of the night we have a keeper. Imagine this mike has q 10 and flops top two, and his opponent flops bottom set of 3s. The graphics try to be wrong on this one but they cant be as we can see from the camera. Odd stuff, odd hand, 10 dollar river bets, and god mode mike. Take a look!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=10989s 3:03:09
In this hand, there's a double error on the board. Td Qs are registering as Jd 6s.



BUT, earlier in that same session the Td registers correctly, here:
So it, to me, doesn't seem like wrongly registered cards are wrongly registered all the time, actually..

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Old 10-04-2019, 11:22 AM   #2987
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Glad that you could confirm that Mike was lying when he said he'd been playing the same style of poker his entire career.


"Celebrity aura."
Why are people just such dicks on this forum, lol.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:23 AM   #2988
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when do you think the smoking gun is going to drop? within the next 48 hours?

keep up the good work everyone.
I honestly dont see it happening anytime soon. I dont think a stream will reveal a true 'smoking gun' in the purest sense of the word(aka for most people just watching him is a smoking gun).

The only two 'smoking guns' I can envision are:

1. The investigation returns something
2. The person involved with the least skin in the game flips and speaks out.

The first one prob wont be for a month or so, the second is anyones guess.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:23 AM   #2989
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If flops are manually inputted then that's more of a major quibble that blows a hole in my argument.
If you look at all 4 flops you showed I don't see how they aren't bc the order of the flops seem random to me, though I'm certainly open to being wrong-it could have to do with the way a dealer deals out a flop and how he applies pressure to it or something like that. I don't see it as a major quibble because you show evidence of the other 9s and all your work still adds up.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:28 AM   #2990
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Every time I come on here there is like another 2 dozen pages, so I will make this post so I know where im up to when I come back later.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:29 AM   #2991
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If you look at all 4 flops you showed I don't see how they aren't bc the order of the flops seem random to me, though I'm certainly open to being wrong-it could have to do with the way a dealer deals out a flop and how he applies pressure to it or something like that. I don't see it as a major quibble because you show evidence of the other 9s and all your work still adds up.
I am guessing they are displayed in the order they are picked up,. So although there is a visual order, maybe the 3rd card was picked up by an rfid scanner first because it was closer to the scanner for a more accurate/quick read? Just guessing.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:32 AM   #2992
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Yeah this is pretty much on point with the most likely scenario here. A few notes, right before Mike 3bet shoves river he takes his hat off, so we can conclude he wasn't using the bone bluetooth to receive hands. Unfortunately, when TBone is tanking on the river, the video only shows him and not Mike. However, I believe during this time, the accomplice realized Tbone was considering making a move and texted Mike something along the lines of "If he raises, re-raise all in and I will change the graphics to the nuts. Don't show." Also you notice the timing of when the graphics change Mike's hand. They wait until after Tbone raises but leaves $800 behind. They couldn't change them earlier because if Tbone raised allin, Mike couldn't fold the nuts. As I'm typing this, it does seem maybe a little too sophisticated for these dolts, but still very possible.
Yes my feeling is that someone had to have been manipulating the feed in real time as the hand was playing out.

I'm not an expert but i think that the graphics get overlayed automatically by a piece of software as the data comes in to the server. This can then be manually edited if there are any anomalies. The edits and overlays are done in real time and go out to the world on a delay, so we are seeing the edits as they happened in the hand right ? Perhaps we are wrong and this time Mike did just have 89ss and the correction was innocent but it just seems too weird. Especially for the guy to run up to the commentary booth to shout it.

If someone knows better than I how poker live streams work please chip in and correct me...
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:32 AM   #2993
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I am guessing they are displayed in the order they are picked up,. So although there is a visual order, maybe the 3rd card was picked up by an rfid scanner first because it was closer to the scanner for a more accurate/quick read? Just guessing.
Yeah that makes sense. Regardless there's something fishy going on with their graphics
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:32 AM   #2994
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In this hand, there's a double error on the board. Td Qs are registering as Jd 6s.


If the graphics are wrong on the flop cards, wouldn't this explain Mike actually playing the hand in a more normalized fashion and not in god mode? If the flop is incorrect they may feel that the hole cards are incorrect and the opponent may not have 33, so he plays it as he normally would if he had top 2 against a range of hands as opposed to having top 2 vs bottom set.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:33 AM   #2995
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Has anyone asked directly asked Mike P why he looks straight down at his crotch so much while pretending to be looking at his cards?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:34 AM   #2996
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If the graphics are wrong on the flop cards, wouldn't this explain Mike actually playing the hand in a more normalized fashion and not in god mode? If the flop is incorrect they may feel that the hole cards are incorrect and the opponent may not have 33, so he plays it as he normally would if he had top 2 against a range of hands as opposed to having top 2 vs bottom set.
Ya maybe the incorrect flop read made him cautious that the guy actually had 33? He tried to bluff and figured out on river its probably true so just bet small to block?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:34 AM   #2997
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When is the stream commented on? Live, or when it's cast to viewers? Because if it's when the stream is cast to viewers (like PokerStars) then that could explain how they correct the cards. I've read here though that the stream is commented on in real time, which is illegal in Nevada I think according to WSOP stream commentary iirc.

What about the Bike casts?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:37 AM   #2998
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And the guy leading the investigation used to represent the owners of Stones. That does not seem like a truly independent investigation to me.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:40 AM   #2999
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When is the stream commented on? Live, or when it's cast to viewers? Because if it's when the stream is cast to viewers (like PokerStars) then that could explain how they correct the cards. I've read here though that the stream is commented on in real time, which is illegal in Nevada I think according to WSOP stream commentary iirc.

What about the Bike casts?
Every single livestream of this kind is commented on delayed. It's not real time commentary ldo
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If I was Mike I'd be pissed that my accomplice was asking me all these questions on stream lol

Like can you **** off dickhead, I'm trying to make us both money. Don't ask me if I feel guilty.
I look at it another way. Of course Justin is in on it, but he also knows that these plays Mike makes are suspicious at best. And the idiot is so greedy, he doesn't even lose of purpose once in a while. It is so obvious that in the interview Justin is trying to give Mike the opportunity to explain his justification of those plays. I mean, other then the fact that he was getting hole card information from Justin.

Great acting job by Justin, no so great by Mike in that interview. Justin already has a few people doubting he was in on it now. Give that man an Oscar!
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