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Old 10-04-2019, 09:08 AM   #2926
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He calls an AI preflop with 54o 3way.
Literally put the last money in.
And this guy is winning close to 150bb/100.
Like I said, I believe he is cheating lol.

Also he is clearly running above EV (someone showed the equity in AI pots).

Also this seems to be in character. He claimed himself to have called AI before with 23o because he "knew" the guy had AK (lol). Weather or not this is true we don't know.

Like I said before I believe he is cheating, but I also believe that ridiculous plays like that (that you or me would never ever do) are completely in character.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:15 AM   #2927
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The local game was an uncapped $2/5 that played huge, with a lot of people buying in 10k deep even back then. Postle was definitely not god-moding like he is now, but he was very LAG and liked to drink at the table and gamble a lot back then and he was a good poker player. I don't think of him as a live game crusher back then but in all fairness I don't think I've played many sessions with him when he actually tried. It always felt like he was blowing off steam and gambled for fun when he played live.
That's called a losing player.

Anyone can be a massive loser in a "small game" and claim to be a winner in bigger games.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:16 AM   #2928
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Wow, I can't believe ESPN already has a story aired about this

Forgive me folks if this question is answered somewhere in this huge thread, I've tried to read a lot of this but geez, this is going to dwarf War & Peace

Anyway, how do we know Postle played almost exclusively in games with cameras?

Thats seems hard to know and verify
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:16 AM   #2929
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=9392s 2:36:32

Here we can see mike spend some time on his phone. I am speculating he is reprogramming something possibly because we have 2 players sitting out. Im speculating He has to reset his app because we are no longer 9 handed. Again thats not out of the realm of possibility. O and by the way rediculousness happens the very next hand.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:16 AM   #2930
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Considering the cheating is so obvious, Justin Kuraitis claiming an 'investigation' cleared him is basically proof he is part of the scam.
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Re: theories about that the checking of the phone is actually him calling or texting the back or asking them to call him and then him receiving the call in the bone conduction headphones....

If he has the bone conduction headphones and the ability to hook a phone call into it, why would he be on and off queuing them manually somehow to “call him”...? Wouldn’t they just have an ongoing call that persists throughout the whole session? That would make more sense to me. I think that the looking down at the phone he is looking at a text communication that has simple instructions for every street decision. Eg “call” “3x raise”, “jam” etc.

Eg, KISS
Don't forget that Mike is the owner of 'local deals by text', a mobile text messaging app. https://www.manta.com/c/mrscn20/local-deals-by-text

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Old 10-04-2019, 09:22 AM   #2931
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If he is working with others, then it would be a conspiracy to commit fraud. Federal L.E., not a gaming commission, could take this over. Conspiracy charges definitely carry more than a year sentence.

oh chit didnt think about that. good point. he/they are triple hosed.

Hope he paid his taxes as well (i'll go with NO he didnt). IRS is the nut low of someone you want in your face. they are ruthless.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:24 AM   #2932
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With slack and Reddit and Discords and different training sites having their own forums, a lot of us went our own separate ways.

But when something like this happens, this is the logical hub. It's like lighting the fires of Gondor. Nothing unites the poker community like a hatred of cheaters, especially a story this insane.

It's kind of nostalgic.
This hit me right in the feels, well said. And nice work 2+2 with the constant digging!
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:26 AM   #2933
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Sorry, double post, I forgot how 2+2 works.

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Old 10-04-2019, 09:28 AM   #2934
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That's called a losing player.

Anyone can be a massive loser in a "small game" and claim to be a winner in bigger games.
I guess I didn't write it very well. He didn't lose in the games, but he also didn't crush them. What I mean is just that he splashed around a lot, trying to create action just to have a fun time at the table while talking and drinking. Definitely the vibe of not taking it as seriously when he played those games, but he didn't dump money at the table or anything. He was always great for the games because he got everybody else going. Also from talking about hands with him many times, you also get a vibe of whether they're good or not, if that makes sense.

I really do believe he was winning quite a bit online (just don't believe 2 million). I've hung out with him when he's played 10/25 online so I know he played that during that time, he had a decent house, car and all of that and would gamble high in the pit games while just playing cards for a living. I'm not trying to defend the guy in the least, it's just weird when people write backstories about how this all makes sense because he was a losing player all his life and all kinds of weird stuff I saw throughout the thread. And you talking about him being a massive loser in the game.

He was good, he was just never Stones Live good and he was definitely a bit of a Tunica local celebrity. Once again, not defending him, just filling in some of the backstory that I do know of.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:29 AM   #2935
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Funny since ESPN just ran a segment and used Postle's name throughout (though they pronounced it "Postal" which was lol)
Feels like this saga is going to give new meaning to the phrase "going postal"
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:33 AM   #2936
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Is it even possible that a man who has been playing poker longer than most people have been alive is actually this naive?
yes, listen to his podcast (its hilarious btw, I like Mikey but he's all over the map)
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:34 AM   #2937
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oh chit didnt think about that. good point. he/they are triple hosed.



Hope he paid his taxes as well (i'll go with NO he didnt). IRS is the nut low of someone you want in your face. they are ruthless.
I spent 7.5 years battling them. Ruthless is an understatement.

Hard to believe he could pull this off solo, conspiracy charges change the sentencing dramatically. For the worse. Not sure when it crosses into racketeering, but gambling is a predicate offense. Since cash was moved around and possibly via apps...Wire Fraud.

The outrage from the poker community will be more pressure to set an example if guilty. I'd not want to be any of the people involved.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:35 AM   #2938
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I guess I didn't write it very well. He didn't lose in the games, but he also didn't crush them. What I mean is just that he splashed around a lot, trying to create action just to have a fun time at the table while talking and drinking. Definitely the vibe of not taking it as seriously when he played those games, but he didn't dump money at the table or anything. He was always great for the games because he got everybody else going. Also from talking about hands with him many times, you also get a vibe of whether they're good or not, if that makes sense.

I really do believe he was winning quite a bit online (just don't believe 2 million). I've hung out with him when he's played 10/25 online so I know he played that during that time, he had a decent house, car and all of that and would gamble high in the pit games while just playing cards for a living. I'm not trying to defend the guy in the least, it's just weird when people write backstories about how this all makes sense because he was a losing player all his life and all kinds of weird stuff I saw throughout the thread. And you talking about him being a massive loser in the game.

He was good, he was just never Stones Live good and he was definitely a bit of a Tunica local celebrity. Once again, not defending him, just filling in some of the backstory that I do know of.
I for one appreciate the confirmation of the backstory and poker history.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:35 AM   #2939
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This guy Justin's name is getting thrown around as being an accomplice, and he might be, but he'd have to be the most brazen cheater of all time. The second name that's mentioned sporadically but not really at the forefront is this Taylor Smith. If Taylor Smith was responsible for the graphics when they switched that 9,8s hand, I don't see how Taylor COULDN'T be in on it.

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Old 10-04-2019, 09:35 AM   #2940
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Feels like this saga is going to give new meaning to the phrase "going postal"
Im-postle-able
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:38 AM   #2941
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I saw someone post on twitter that Justin's username on here was "Imnotthedevil".
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/321251/

I was just watching Joey's new video where he was observing Justin in the booth with Mike where Justin was joking about Mike "victimising" the entire table.

At 38:28 in the video below Justin says to Mike: "I think you might have sold you soul to the devil".



https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo?t=2308

Justin seems really creepy to me.

The username "Imnotthedevil" struck me as kind of odd and creepy especially because it seems like Justin likes to portray himself as a nice/clean guy.

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Old 10-04-2019, 09:38 AM   #2942
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I guess I didn't write it very well. He didn't lose in the games, but he also didn't crush them. What I mean is just that he splashed around a lot, trying to create action just to have a fun time at the table while talking and drinking. Definitely the vibe of not taking it as seriously when he played those games, but he didn't dump money at the table or anything. He was always great for the games because he got everybody else going. Also from talking about hands with him many times, you also get a vibe of whether they're good or not, if that makes sense.

I really do believe he was winning quite a bit online (just don't believe 2 million). I've hung out with him when he's played 10/25 online so I know he played that during that time, he had a decent house, car and all of that and would gamble high in the pit games while just playing cards for a living. I'm not trying to defend the guy in the least, it's just weird when people write backstories about how this all makes sense because he was a losing player all his life and all kinds of weird stuff I saw throughout the thread. And you talking about him being a massive loser in the game.

He was good, he was just never Stones Live good and he was definitely a bit of a Tunica local celebrity. Once again, not defending him, just filling in some of the backstory that I do know of.
Do you have a site or screename that you can remember from this? Any help for the class action would be appreciated I'm sure.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:40 AM   #2943
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Do you have a site or screename that you can remember from this? Any help for the class action would be appreciated I'm sure.
It's been posted before, but the only screenname of his I know is the Yngman4quiki or however it's spelled nickname. That's what he used mostly on UB. I don't know if he played other sites but he played on UB a ton, I think maybe he was even an affiliate of some sort at some point? Or maybe he was just friends with a lot of UB pros, I have no clue.

EDIT: It's It's actually yngmann4quiki, two n's

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Old 10-04-2019, 09:45 AM   #2944
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My last hand of the night we have a keeper. Imagine this mike has q 10 and flops top two, and his opponent flops bottom set of 3s. The graphics try to be wrong on this one but they cant be as we can see from the camera. Odd stuff, odd hand, 10 dollar river bets, and god mode mike. Take a look!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=10989s 3:03:09
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:45 AM   #2945
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Wouldn't the better cheating play for this situation on the river be to check and let him bet instead of leading? 89h has to bet here right? I mean he for sure isn't calling. Very stupid cheating play IMO. Or he is just totally confident that Bryan will go next-level and raise I guess?


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Old 10-04-2019, 09:57 AM   #2946
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My last hand of the night we have a keeper. Imagine this mike has q 10 and flops top two, and his opponent flops bottom set of 3s. The graphics try to be wrong on this one but they cant be as we can see from the camera. Odd stuff, odd hand, 10 dollar river bets, and god mode mike. Take a look!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=10989s 3:03:09
To play devil's advocate here, this hand looks like a point for Mike.

There actually is a graphics error proving they can happen (though it is not fixed at any point in the hand)
He never feels the side of his head.
He has his phone on the table.
He bet/calls flop drawing to 4 outs.
He bets $540 ott in a spot where he shouldn't expect a fold if he knows his opponent's cards.
River's weird but not suspicious iyam. River would be suspicious in isolation but not with fl/tu play.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:57 AM   #2947
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If he is working with others, then it would be a conspiracy to commit fraud. Federal L.E., not a gaming commission, could take this over. Conspiracy charges definitely carry more than a year sentence.

They would use it as a threat, anyway. Once someone lawyers up, cops cannot talk to them directly without representation present. This has blown up to the extent a non poker related show on ESPN had a segment on it. I'd almost be surprised if the feds don't step in at this point.

One year is county time and in California that is very short, probably be out in 3 or 4 months and as a non violent crime, it would be at a medium security which is not a big deal.
No. Working with others in planning a crime and acting in furtherance of the plan is a conspiracy. Just because you plan/work with another does not mean it's fraud. Fraud is a specific type of crime: cheating in a card game is not fraud, it's cheating. And no one is going to be charged with conspiracy. One gets charged with conspiracy when you plan a crime, act in furtherance of that plan BUT NOT actually commit the crime (i.e. Police arrest you before you carry out the crime). MP actually cheated, he already committed the offense, it's no longer conspiracy once you commit the crime.
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Old 10-04-2019, 09:58 AM   #2948
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276443823?t=01h08m51s

Another card reader error with postles cards being the ones involved.

Haven’t seen this before
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My last hand of the night we have a keeper. Imagine this mike has q 10 and flops top two, and his opponent flops bottom set of 3s. The graphics try to be wrong on this one but they cant be as we can see from the camera. Odd stuff, odd hand, 10 dollar river bets, and god mode mike. Take a look!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=10989s 3:03:09
both these hands show problems with the card reader that seem unrelated to off-setting MP's God-moding (and are not just replicating the cards from the previous hand in error)

In the second hand I guess MP is planning to put in a big bluff on a spade river (or catch a Q or a T)?
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:03 AM   #2949
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If officially found guilty, I am wondering what the punishments will be, how much he will have to pay, how much jail time??
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:03 AM   #2950
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To play devil's advocate here, this hand looks like a point for Mike.

There actually is a graphics error proving they can happen (though it is not fixed at any point in the hand)
He never feels the side of his head.
He has his phone on the table.
He bet/calls flop drawing to 4 outs.
He bets $540 ott in a spot where he shouldn't expect a fold if he knows his opponent's cards.
River's weird but not suspicious iyam. River would be suspicious in isolation but not with fl/tu play.
Ya the QT hand is very un Super User like.
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