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Old 10-01-2019, 01:48 AM   #226
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Are there any hands where he folds the winner on river or blasts off into the nuts?
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Old 10-01-2019, 01:51 AM   #227
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Are there any hands where he folds the winner on river or blasts off into the nuts?
Nobody seems to have found any, and there's like no hand where he even makes a wrong decision period...
He's just the best, he knows. He just knows
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Old 10-01-2019, 01:57 AM   #228
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He definitely spends a long time looking at his crotch during this hand.....
Left hand is in his lap often and he is looking down a lot. Sitting close to the table so no one else or the cameras can glimpse what's on his phone.
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Old 10-01-2019, 01:59 AM   #229
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lol I decide to check out some youtube videos of him playing and the first video I watch the guy cold calls a 4 bet with 63 suited. Obviously the 3 better had AQ and the 4 bet was with AK. Well played.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:00 AM   #230
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

This seem kind of odd when taken into context with everything else. At 1:51:20 she tries to get him to go to the booth to explain a hand or something and he tells her to go away, like he doesn’t want to get up from the chair:

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:01 AM   #231
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This is such a shame. So sad there cant be done much legally. All those people who lost money to him wont get it back.
Ideally, those who lost money to him should be able to sue Stones Gambling Hall for failure to provide an honest game. Stones Gambling Hall then might be motivated to prosecute the alleged cheater. Granted, it's unlikely any of this will occur.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:24 AM   #232
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I don't know who's a "pro" or "rec" in these games but if this guy has been suspected for months + why do these guys get so absurdly out of line in pots against him?
Almost every hand ppl post of him involves the opponent/s also doing something equally absurd. Even if they don't suspect he cheats, but just that he's so good, neither make senss-
Why are ppl 3betting the turn 4 way with 97 no equity on QQ52 board against him, squeezing 92s OOP preflop, just trying to out spew a cheater (or "shark who wins every hand)
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:37 AM   #233
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It's just hilarious that he'll float with absolute air, blast off with the 97o 54o and will fold like a K9 on a 923 board to a single bet when the guy has JJ
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:42 AM   #234
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It's just hilarious that he'll float with absolute air, blast off with the 97o 54o and will fold like a K9 on a 923 board to a single bet when the guy has JJ
It was Q9 on 943 w/ two diamonds & he got bet into $250 into $200 pot

but yeah the way he typically blasts off with nada then folds top pair here like its nothing...
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:44 AM   #235
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He floated 97o with a heart on Q54hhx 4 way, vs AQ, then on a blank ish turn calls agaiin, I guess to bluff raise rivers?

Edit- lost the time stamp but
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:49 AM   #236
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i also think he's cheating but how he's doing it without sunglasses,headphones or anything like that ? just looking on his phone ?
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:54 AM   #237
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i also think he's cheating but how he's doing it without sunglasses,headphones or anything like that ? just looking on his phone ?
it seems that somehow somebody tells him what his opponents hold. Someone in the back who has access to the hole card cams.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:55 AM   #238
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LOL Joey losing his mind with this hand...

"Cheater" leads river, get raised, and ships.
They change his cards because apparently they were "Incorrect" for like the 3rd time in a super-shady spot. They say he actually had a straight, and the RFID was ****ed.

RFID only ****s up when it's convenient

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Old 10-01-2019, 02:56 AM   #239
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It’s clear mike doesnt know exact hand holdings or he would be playing differently. Which means if he is cheating, it probably uses a binary value system (for speed and simplicity). But the live stream has a delay which prevents someone on the outside (or in the commentary booth) from attempting simple texts or the like.

He could be capturing the raw data and importing it into a simple program but that would depend on how the rfid information is transmitted, and how tech savvy he is. Sensitive data that transmits across casinos networks is not done on the free hotel lobby WiFi. There are laws in place that obligate companies to protect their network from the outside and enforce how the sensitive data is handled across the network. Mike better be a pentester or better if he chose this route. And if he did, he would be prosecuted under the full extent of the law.

So how exactly could he be cheating?
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:59 AM   #240
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Jaman Burton's vlogged several streamed games from Stones Live. One of the vlogs he entitled: "Avoid Mike Postle".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6DueV9aHc
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:00 AM   #241
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Think it's likely that there is a buzzer or something on him from someone in the graphics/live stream that tells him if he's beat or has a chance to win. Don't think it has to do with his phone but that is just my speculation.
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:03 AM   #242
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You wouldn't even need to know the cards themselves. Just something as simple as a short buzz when you should bluff, a long buzz when you should station, etc. Something someone with live feed could do in a few seconds.
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:03 AM   #243
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That guy who called his river raise with A9 high has the best brag in poker history, no?
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:04 AM   #244
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Just went down a rabbit hole of checking out these clips for a couple hours. The key is to take the evidence as a whole... any one hand you could think mayyyybe this guy is a LAGtard on a heater, but the body of evidence I would say is about 95% conclusive he's superusing. As others said, most likely a binary system - he gets a coded message signaling "you're good, push", or "lose the minimum". No distinction made for specific hands or whether he's facing perceived value or a bluff.

This guy is so dumb for not making sure to lose more back. I guess when you feel godlike with your sophisticated cheating method, printing money feels too good and gets too addictive to pace yourself... like a drug...
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:04 AM   #245
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It’s clear mike doesnt know exact hand holdings or he would be playing differently.
You're right, it's super clear there's nothing suspicious happening.

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Old 10-01-2019, 03:11 AM   #246
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That guy who called his river raise with A9 high has the best brag in poker history, no?
He just had access to a different insider helping him jajaja
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:13 AM   #247
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That guy who called his river raise with A9 high has the best brag in poker history, no?
JJ>72 calldown is more bragworthy and hilarious in context

A while ago Sklansky posted a question in the poker theory forum whether or not a cheater or the cheater's opponent who knew he was getting cheated had an advantage in a HU game. It was concluded that the cheater's opponent does. That calldown the JJ is an example of it.
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:36 AM   #248
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So the theory that your basing these accusations and shaming is: a film/ production crew member (an employee of the casino and or licensed to work by the commission) has chosen to risk guaranteed, long jail sentences when caught, to split the profits of a small cash game?

You factor in the jail time and they probably won’t even average out more than minimum wage and a felony following you around for life lol. And that’s only factoring if it’s a 2 man job!

Or maybe the guy understands live poker very well and runs hotter than the sun (no different than the current pros you see at high stakes televised games)
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:41 AM   #249
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So the theory that your basing these accusations and shaming is: a film/ production crew member (an employee of the casino and or licensed to work by the commission) has chosen to risk guaranteed, long jail sentences when caught, to split the profits of a small cash game?

You factor in the jail time and they probably won’t even average out more than minimum wage and a felony following you around for life lol. And that’s only factoring if it’s a 2 man job!

Or maybe the guy understands live poker very well and runs hotter than the sun (no different than the current pros you see at high stakes televised games)
Are you him? Im not accusing him/you of anything just curious
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:48 AM   #250
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^ lmao seriously. Maxeth really defending him with some poor logical deduction

People do all kinds of stupid stuff for money. you say "small cash game." these $5/5 games play like $5/10+. Very common for average stack to be $3k+. you think some guy working part-time for the tech crew for a poker room wouldnt like to pocket a few grand a month? if true, this guy is playing twice a week, and crushing it for $3k+ every week. getting a chunk of $12k when you don't have much money isn't a small amount of money.

the need for money makes people do stupid things and make bad decisions.
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