He should just be banned from all gambling establishments so if he got caught playing under a fake name and fake nose they would trespass his ass and confiscate his chips

The fake nose is incredible if it's true. You could just wear sunglasses and a mask and hat and be virtually anonymous. To go to the trouble of a fake nose is absolutely devious

I get the sentiment but it’s not as if refusing to shake his hand would have showed him either

Slow rolling during the tournament serves as possible Pysch warfare, but once he got knocked out he was usually like most poker players and happy to ladder up and get that much closer and was probably like whatever, shook his hand and said good game

He didn’t have to be the samurai who defended the honor of poker

Yes the slowroll was lame too. The guy could have been such a legend by tanking forever, calling just in the last moment possible, not giving handshakes and just looking away. But unfortunately he decided to be a puss.

I'll be honest, the first time I saw the video of the slowroll, I didn't even realize it had happened. The whole thing looked more like a nitroll than a slowroll. Then after it was done, the guy kind of mutters his "that's for all of the cheating" under his breath, so inaudibly that I wasn't sure if the reported quote was correct.

And not for nothing, Brock was perhaps fearing the small chance that Postle's cards would magically change to 78 there. It has happened before.

Brock later replied to the critics that he should have tanked longer:

What a specious argument. For starters, no one is saying he needed to tank for five minutes. However, he waited maybe 20 seconds – not all that different from the regular time allotted for a standard online hand before the time bank kicks in. And no, you don't need 20 seconds for that call, so it is technically a slowroll given the situation. (Several commenters said it wasn't a slowroll, with one saying a straight was possible... as if anyone watching doesn't know that.)

Still... opportunity lost. Maybe use the 20 seconds to really act like you're anguishing. Or use those 20 seconds for some table talk, even if it's just the standard, "This is close... I don't have the nuts, but it's going to be good a lot..." etc.

Other things he could have done in those 20 seconds:

• Be topical. "This is a sh**ty hand, I have a bluffcatcher" and "it's not about what I have, it's about what I don't you have." Then call. As you table your hand, say "if my 6 wasn't a club, I would have folded."

• Be mathematical. Ask for an exact count of Postle's bet. Then calculate out loud the pot size. Then do the whole pot odds analysis thing that you learn when you first start playing. "So I only have to be good 23 percent of the time to make a call correct..." This whole routine would take all of 30 seconds, so don't worry about "the shorties."

• Fool him into thinking he's getting you to fold. Act like you're about to fold. Do that thing where you pick up your cards like you're reluctantly folding. Grouse about how badly you're running, how card-dead you are. Then as if out of nowhere, find a call.

• Be Postle-specific. Take a long look deep in your crotch, and emphatically call.

OR...

• Brock, you're wearing a baseball cap. Press your hands around the brim of the cap, shut your eyes and pretend to listen to a pair of bone-conducting headphones. Then call. Opportunity totally missed. You could do the last two bits in five seconds if you truly want to help the "shorties" out.

• Regardless of the tanking time, when Postle tables his hand, breathe a heavy sigh of relief and say, "Wow, it really would be so easy if you can see the cards, so easy."

Seems pretty clear this was a nitroll and hero decided to capitalize on some notoriety.

Oops, I need to correct one thing:

I guess Terrence Chan is one of them.



So my bad.

Nah, given the stack sizes and the situation, it's a slowroll rather than a nitroll. If they were deeper and Gary was calling off his tournament life with the fourth nuts, then yeah, nitroll. But it looks like Postle was pretty short.

As for "capitalizing on some notoriety," that's the whole thing: he didn't. He could have, and thinks he did ("GOT EM [sic]") If Gary wanted to needle Postle, that moment had several golden opportunities. At this point, if anyone has gained notoriety, it's Brock Gary for being kind of weaksauce act of showmanship.

By the way, who is the guy who says "that's for all the cheating?" I thought it was Gary, but apparently it wasn't. Someone sweating the hand says it.

Ivey had to have other people buy him in and declare that all of the profits go to people besides him. That’s how he escaped his judgement for a while

Brill has to file a foreign judgment or whatever the other states. That has to get approved. Then they have to file it with the casino, which takes time.

Unless the tournament is a week long, it will be almost impossible for her to get the money this way. And it will cost Veronica filing fees and attorney fees everytime she attempts this. Unfortunately I would say he looks to have beaten Veronica in this battle.

Once she files in whatever state doesn't the judgement remain in effect? Meaning if postle wins any money playing poker in that state even if it's 3 years from now the casino will automatically withhold his winnings?

Nope that’s not how it works.

She has to say hey this casino has money that belongs to me, each time she thinks a casino has money that belongs to her.

So unless it’s a multi day event , she’s screwed.


Often times the judgments only last 6 months, and that’s per served entity. It doesn’t just cover the whole state once you file. It only covers that entity, at least in Cali and Nevada. This is also assuming the state cares about out of state judgments. Many judges will tell you to **** off and not approve the foreign judgment in the first place.

Each time she does this she’s gonna have to file a form. Every state has different forms. Each time she files she’s either gotta pay a lawyer or do it herself.

If she pays the lawyer it’s gonna cost her $250-$500 each time she tries to file.

Did this actually work? As I recall it did not work so PI stopped trying that.

Whose TIN/SSN is used?Who does the tax forms go to? How do you know your tax liability to know what your net profit is? Etc?

Read the link. The MS lawyer who actually did the filing (in less than two days BTW, one of which was a court holiday) discusses this and explains the basic. He specifically states that for any future winnings anywhere in MS the process will be quick and easy. His description would appear to indicate minutes to hours but definitely not multiple days.

As to collection costs, rarely they can be recoverable. But if MP perpetrates fraud to avoid the collection, that could become cause for another action potentially leading to another judgement.

Basically if there are lawyers willing to work with Brill for just “costs” and if she is willing, she can make tournament play hell fo MP. Given the prevalence of lawyers who play poker and general despise of MP, I could see finding this aid pretty easy.

Even if the cost is $250 every time, she has over 100 times

I read that. Maybe that’s the case in MS. It’s not in Nevada and prob not in Cali.

For one, I think you're confusing judgments and collection efforts, e.g., garnishment. The initial registering of foreign judgments takes a little bit more time depending on individual state initial filing rules, but once the foreign judgment is duly accepted, it becomes a judgment in that state just like any other judgment issued within that state. Those last years, not months. In Nevada it's 6 years, California and Oregon it's 10 years, Mississippi it's 7 years. That's the time you have to collect on them, but you can also renew in most states.

Once the judgment is there, the collection effort is garnishment (in this scenario). In Oregon, at least, attorneys don't need court authorization to issue a writ on a valid judgment, and if it's the same in Mississippi, that can happen fast if you have the forms ready to go. Who knows what Mississippi garnishment rules are, but in Oregon writs of garnishments for moneys due other than wages are not continuing; it's a "one shot." However, a "one shot" garnishment still applies to money that is owed to a judgment debtor but not *currently* due the debtor (there's some timeline on it, I can't remember what it is; maybe 30 or 40 days). I'd have to look at the language more closely to see if that would apply in a tournament winnings situation. Otherwise, there could still be timing issues with a small window to serve the casino with the garnishment.

Also, this is bullshit if you actually meant out-of-state judgments:

Foreign judgments are clearly subject to full faith and credit under the Constitution. Further, nearly every state has adopted the Uniform Enforcement of Foreign Judgments code, and mostly procedural. "Many judges" are not flippantly violating the Constitution (or at least not full faith and credit....we could debate judicial violation of the fourth amendment another day, ha)

I don’t know why I wrote that judges ignore it.

Any update on the Postle case? asking for a friend.....

No update, as there is no case to update.

Have all the parties paid their attorney's fees?

OMG is this still a thing? It may be time to move on. Even the uproar over OJ killing his wife went away quicker than the cheating in this case. Let it go and move on with your lives people.

Nah, the TV miniseries The People v. O. J. Simpson and the far superior docuseries O.J.: Made in America came out more than 20 years after that verdict, let alone the crime. So as far as I'm concerned, that gives us until 2039.

Also, "move on with your lives?" Someone bumps after a nine-month break in action, and you make it sound like everyone in this thread put everything on hold for five years. Hell, except for Joey Ingram or maybe Andreas Froehli and Jeff Boski, most people didn't really interrupt what they were doing even in the first month after it broke.

It's an interesting story, and it will stay somewhat interesting even if it ever gets resolved. Hell, I was rewatching a couple of the Doug Polk "Postle hand" videos just a few weeks ago.

Now if you don't mind, I've got to get back to my attempts to figure out the Z32 cipher. Good day, sir. I say good day!

I heard Postle is looking for the real cheater

Good points .... but forget it, Porter, that is PW you are responding to ....

And a waiter

Following the Beau Rivage event, MGM Resorts International banned Postle from its properties and confiscated the Rewards he’d earned on his players card.