Originally Posted by Angry_Polak
Originally Posted by Angry_Polak View Post
I kept thinking about this post ... i would bet a reasonable amount of money that this is Justin and here is why:
When I first spoke to Justin about Mike cheating one of his defenses was his accusation that everyone is Jealous or mad. Rather than focusing on the issue I brought up he would try to focus my attention to people's emotional states. I'm sure he learned this method after years of being a pastor.
Objection. Hearsay. Opinionated.
Also, my words only carry weight because i have evidence to support my claim. Had there not been any cheating I would have been shunned by the community like i was for the first two days. The only reason people realized that I was right was because the evidence was overwhelmingly in my favor.
Again your evidence is shaky. Initial numbers WAY exaggerated. Should have done your own homework on this one rather than rely on someone else.
Justin never knew enough about poker to realize how egregious Mike's actions were to poker players. This isn't anything that I created or introduced..MIKE DID!! Mike was looking at his crotch ALL OF THE TIME.
CTO could turn out to be MP looking at naked pics from girls for all we know.
you spelled consistent wrong
LOL! My apologies. I will use spell check more often.
I remember after talking to Justin about Mike's potential cheating (in March) i did commentary and walked out of the booth flabbergasted after watching Mike play in God-Mode. I remember saying to Justin "Mike won a ton of money tonight" and he quickly defended Mike's winnings with "well he was just on a 20k (it was a number around there..25k) downswing"
this was Justin's rational, he is really good at trying to draw your attention away from the problem as though Kevin taking money off of mike the week before makes Mike cheating with Kevin in the game ok or not possible. this logic is the way Justin rationalizes things and this is the main reason i think this is Justin's writing.
Mike is winning and it looks like he's cheating
Justin's rebuttal - well mike loses too so he can't be cheating
I think we can both agree that the Live stream added to JK's arrogance. His responses to serious issues regardless of the topic was a very high percentage of the time dismissive.
again this is the typical propaganda machine...the man who doesn't understand poker, the man who thinks telling someone that no one understands Mike's poker and thinking that is an explanation that we should all be happy with. This is Justin's brain thinking that i am mad about something, mad enough to try to take down two "innocent" men for revenge. This is exactly your blind spot. I am not angry; both your and MP actions show obvious cheating, this is obvious to anyone who understands poker. You can't see that, you can't see how objective that is.
I am happy to say this is not JK's brain or JK. Just an objective minded individual looking in from the outside. With a background in but psych and tech I stand back and look at this from different angles, especially since there is a vacuum of proof here, just speculation and hurt feelings. It can be wrapped up or simplified just like that.
Again, Justin has a terrible problem of being results oriented. He thinks, from our perspective, that because no one will end up in jail and stones will pay out pennies that all of this was a fruitless endeavor and we all should have probably shut up and let it continue.
This is the results orientated thinking of Justin not being able to see that justice, in many ways has happened, we got a cheater off of a stream, we exposed the two of you and neither one of you should be allowed to work in poker anywhere again (mike used to deal). Mike shouldn't be allowed to play poker anywhere again. He can move to Nevada and play poker there on-line and crush since he has claimed to be the very best.
Again, Objection. Hearsay. Definitely speculation. Also very damming towards you against MP. Restating my question IF he didn't cheat does the hate then leave? Or do you just hate MP.
I remember in the early days of the stream the cards would read incorrectly or wouldn't read at all. I remember they would continue to read then incorrectly consistently throughout many hands. i remember there being days where we had to stop the game to re-calibrate the table and cards because a card kept misreading consistently. it would never be just for one person constantly and then back to normal.
you saying that it was a home game quality is a lie. I know Justin told me how much money stones was putting into the stream. he had a new booth put in and new cameras, improved the tech equipment and microphones.
there were occasional problems like when you guys forgot to switch it to an omaha game and mike grew frustrated that only 2 cards were reading and he couldn't properly cheat, telling his opponent to keep putting their cards on the reader and kept rubbing his own cards over the reader.
If you don't believe anything JK says, then why would you believe in his statement about tons of money being thrown into the Stream? That stream ran roughly 4 years. The same server that started it all was sitting in the prod area when you shut down the stream. Inexperience techs in the back, faulty RFID readers at the table, and software that people use in less "professional" production environments.
first, i would never condone people threatening anyone, let alone a child but to blame this on me is terrible.
second, this is exactly what justin would do, make this into an emotional topic rather than focusing on the facts. YOU CHEATED!! that's what's wrong here, that is what has caused bad things to happen to you and MIKE!!
also, mike has largely been secluded, how do you know that his daughter is being threatened? I have not heard this at all. probably because you and Mike are still in constant contact.
Again false. Watch joey's stream for example. plenty of trolls coming on with hate talk towards MP kid. I have seen a few comments even on this 1.3 mil thread. Guilty or not the kid is not part of this discussion, which you started and obviously have strong feelings about MP. So, maybe not intentionally, but definitely carelessly you incited trolls of can't differentiate. I don't have contact with MP, but if it is popping up on streams and here I think it is fair to speculate that anyone who had direct access to him before he went dark heard a lot worse.
Here is what i believe to be a timeline of Mike and Justin.
the accusations came out, they were overwhelmed and defended themselves for a while and retreated still in contact with each other.
they mostly remained silent for fear of criminal charges.
once the dust settled, and they didn't get arrested, they realized that they might criminally get away with this, Justin even more so because he gets off when stones settles the civil case. So they decided to come up with a propaganda plan (which was probably thought up by Justin because in his mind this stuff works) which consists of:
Creating an "updated" version of the numbers (as though changes in numbers, even if true, would equate to not cheating..again this is Justin's thought process).
shopping around to different media outlets with their new "math" and i wouldn't be surprised if they paid someone to post that article that they probably wrote.
they have created multiple twitter accounts that are defending Mike hard (and it's obviously Mike and/or Justin based off of things they have tweeted)
They have created several Youtube accounts to troll
and now they have created 2+2 accounts.
they are trying to fight objective numbers with emotional confusion and it's not going to work
Can't speak to the article. I have no idea why some old dude in FL cares about MP. Maybe they go way back, doesn't matter though. What does matter ESPECIALLY in your case, IS THE DATA.
If MP replies or shows up to a subpoena and one of the questions is what are you looking at in these streams he can say "titties" or football game. Whatever. What are they doing? Blowing away the $235k or $320k whatever the inflated number is. That hurts your position, because the higher the number the more the speculation works. You have a bullet and a gun, but one doesn't fit the other so you don't have a murder weapon. Reasonable doubt is a great thing.....not that it will ever go to court no do you want it to. The defense has MORE facts at this point, because you didn't do your homework first. You have relied on at times through and other times half-ass assessments. Joey himself gave up after doing 3 or more streams of tallying up starting, rebuys, etc. Whatever the actual number is the defense is gonna have it.
So the prediction I have here is this will carry on for a while. People that are part of the class action will drop out. Some in it right now should anyway for the greater good of the rest. In the end your attorneys will take the first settlement offer that comes their way. You will all get $1000 gift cards to Sammies, stones will not admit anything, JK will never TD again anywhere, and MP will move to Nevada to crush online poker.
Take emotion out of this. Take being butt hurt out and this. Look at it objectively like the rational person you can be.
I am not saying you are wrong here, but based off the streams I have watched I could speculate that you fancy ladies. I have no proof just what i see. If you turned me down for a date at the table I could get hurt. Then turn around and tell everyone you are man hating woman lover (trying to be PC here and not get in trouble). In today's world that wouldn't be a big deal, except if I was completely wrong and you found it offensive that i would say things being half cocked.
This is a DM from paydatbothismoney. I've underlined his responses. this is the kind of **** i deal with...somehow he has found a way to make this about me being a lesbian???.... this is how smart his brain is
