Veronica, what do you mean by Stones wrote an check for pennies and is free and clear? Surely they have not settled out of the case at this point.

I thought it was obvious, but I guess people really aren't getting this:

Veronica, has Stones built the vacuum hole in the middle of the table yet? That must violate one or more regulations of the California Gambling Control Commission, doesn't it?

If you are referring to the Stones Investigation of itself - which they said they would update the public if needed... This investing is being conducted through the Stones Attorney. This investigation is a privileged investigation that is a work product of the Attorney and its client, so no information will ever be released or made public or can be subpoenaed, because it is Client Attorney privilege information. Probably Never Known

I saw some comments from people waiting for info on this, but it may never come out unless the Client (Stones) wants to release it. This is the reason corporations have Attorneys perform or hire out investigation, because , whatever is found or discovered is kept secret under attorney client privilege.

referring to the California Bureau of Gambling Control investigation - well that could be a while - a long while. I researched state statues and could not find any mention of when investigations needed to be completed and reported, so the timeline for this is Unknown.

This is all bad news, but the slowness of the courts will not make this a favorable outcome - all the while Mike P may not have been served yet, just delays the process further. Wait till all the delay requests and delay motions are made by the defendants attorneys -

that's the legal system and process they have built -

this is why they will drag it out for so long, they will make an offer to make this go away - you will feel cheated again, just like it was Poslte cheating you - like the poseter said - they will make you sign an NDA and admit no wrong doing - sad outcome.

it will take a year or two - slowly taking money from you and others - as the billable fees are escalated by your attorney and their attorney -

it will feel like Postle slowly cheating you pot for pot - session for session - week by week - month by month - year by year.

Once again the victim becomes the victim. this is America - this is freedom.

The only good thing the communist have going for them - is - the first thing they do when they gain power - they shoot all the lawyers....

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" That is a quote from Wat Tyler, leader of a peasant rebellion, in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part II. Afterwards, he says my mouth will be the law. It was prophetic, in that despite all the problems with lawyers and the legal system, eliminating lawyers would create its own problems. This can be seen in Communism, which is similar to a successful peasant rebellion. I am not sure if Communists really killed all the lawyers.

From what I understand, it is standard for the corporate defendant or insurance company to delay things as much as possible to make the plaintiff want to settle. I don't know if it is a big deal here. The case will almost certainly be settled as cases are almost always settled, and Stones doesn't want to publicity of it going to court. How much the plaintiffs get after lawyers fees and expenses is another matter.

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I was curious about this so tested it, and you'll be pleased to know it's not all that clean. I googled "haseeb girah," and while the first result is indeed his own "final" post on the matter, #2 and #3 both call him a cheater in the headline link.

https://www.highstakesdb.com/2375-ha...its-poker.aspx

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/...ting-10815.htm

Nobody looking for info about Haseeb Quereshi, managing partner at Dragonfly Capital, is googling Haseeb Girah

How'd it go?

Yeah, I read her first two posts together where in the first one she gave update information about the case and missed her third post (and the 2021) about her irony.

Despite what Austin said, the result of the Stones investigation may not be discoverable but all the evidence that the expert reviewed will be. Some of the advantages of Federal Court are the mandatory 26f disclosures and judges that actual sanction discovery violations. Stones will have to provide your attorney with a mirror image of the server(s), all the data and maybe even Jfks phone. Plus, if the computer expert was intended to simply be a consulting expert with undiscoverable opinions, Stones made a mistake by identifying him pre-litigation.

I think JFKs answering attorney will be an interesting development. If it is not the same guy as representing Stones, I would presume there is a conflict of interest between JFK and Stones. Generally, employers and employees share counsel.

not good with the technical issues; not being able to get the callers sound to be heard by the youtube viewers.

Good regarding how positive the viewers were. I got to speak to people from all over the states and Canada and everyone was extremely kind and gracious.

people warm my heart

also, this was my favorite question of the night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEGxlLP72Jw

Stones has disabled the chat replay in the video where they changed Mike's hands; the most famous being T-Bone aka Trey.

Justin was very involved with the chat in that game.

here is a link to a random game where they have chat replay enabled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ZZrC5UucI&list=UL

here is a link to the 5/5 game where they changed mike's hands and they have disabled the chat replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXGr92uQGU

please someone tell me that i'm wrong and having tech issues

Yeah it looks like they've gotten rid of the chat replay.

What does it matter? Are you trying to Columbo this whole thing? I'd be careful with how much you say and do.

Your words are really strong and I've actually lost focus of who you "hate" or are "mad" at. If you are mad that MP cheated there are some interesting courses of actions here.

1. Your basis was he couldn't be that lucky. So with the help of internet trolls you introduce the CTO.

2. You let someone else half-ass his winnings and then convince a group of people to join you in a class action based off speculation and bogus math. I've spent the time detailing each of the games in question. My math is consistant with the the math by this Evert character. MP's actual profit on stream games was approximately $135k over a 18 month period. According the dates that this theory started. Do your own poker math and determine whether or not that puts him in GOD mode cause IMO it makes him a good player.

3. You mentioned this to JK who apparently dismissed you in March which I can understand someone as narcissistic would hate that. Especially with the way that JK can talk to people at times.

So who are you mad at? Who really did you wrong? Is it MP? Or JK?

If its MP you folks will never get a dime out of him and he will never face any kind of criminal charges IF by some miracle he did cheat and it can be proved. So in his case all you did was cry "foul" half cocked and if you're wrong you just ruined someone's "job". Do you hate him that much that this is ok? Are you that fake that you sat with this guy for months/years putting up with it?

If its JK, well then yeah I think you got something there. Even if MP did nothing wrong you still made this concern vocalized to JK in 3/2019 right? JK dismissed you and went on and continued to build a poker stream around a player. That makes JK responsible for the livelihood of the not only the Stream production/Stones, but also the players involved in these games. Even then though from a "civil" perspective you only end up with a settlement. Stones will drag this on so long that if the collective agrees on a $1000 each type deal they will take it. They won't have to admit any wrong doing, and the only thing you may take joy in is JK will no longer be a TD there or possibly anywhere in North America again.

IMO you've been WAY extra on this too. Saying things like MP is heartless for taking $$ from Kevin in his final days. I find it convenient that you left out or omit the fact that Kevin took over $10k from MP the week before. Plus were you even there that night? Or are you deducting things third hand and from a crappy production of poker stream? Saying things like that doesn't help your case it just makes 1000s of people hate someone they don't even know. Possibly for no reason either.

Finally, take this with school of thought. I worked production for SLP. Those "graphic" mistakes everyone gravitates too happened ALL the time. Even before MP little run. The readers there suck. The software there is Home Poker game worthy, not full production worthy. People around me in the production fought hard with JK to improve the stream's infrastructure.

The real funny thing is everyone has been trying to figure out if MP did cheat in order to have answers, but do you think he is some kind of secret agent? Let's be real here.

I have hoped that people would ask this question after almost four months and Joey watching streams and YOU sitting at the tables. Ever ask yourself how the dealers communicated with production? Ever wonder what that tablet you see on the stream is for sometimes?

If the numbers say he cheats you need to find the way he did it. If the numbers look reasonable, but you still think he cheats YOU STILL NEED TO FIND THE WAY.

For the record and neither for or against whether he cheated, but i think it is messed up when something you started has people making threats and comments about his daughter or accusations that MP is a heartless person to takes 1000s from terminally ill people.

This is a for what it is worth post. Have fun with it. Lot to digest.

R*R mod note:

I originally deleted this post but Joey has been carrying this thing and he asked that I keep it up as it provides some insight to the Postle camp thinking. I personally think it is a bunch of garbage and unfair to Angry Polak but I will leave it up as I do understand Joey's thinking on this.

Hi Mike

Hey how's it goin

Personal opinion I've gained from recent experience, but I think someone who was falsely accused of cheating of this magnitude would not be anywhere near as non-chalant about it as he is. And would be a lot more vocal/angry/infuriated and pushing the investigation and to get results.
Not go into hiding.

idk maybe just me.

Nice world salad BS.... It's real simple, Who are you? And do you think MP cheated or not?

Very very interesting post.

I believe it's more like 12 months than 18 months - July 2018 - Aug/Sept 2019 Time Frame.

I've also received a message or two pertaining to dealers so it's interesting you've included that. I would like to know more about your thoughts pertaining to that.

It sounds like the argument I've heard for Mike Postle didn't cheat is that the initial numbers were off so that means he didn't do it?

I'm still open to being convinced if some type of explanation that better explains we've witnessed on stream over 100+ hours of footage is possible to be told. I'm ready to make the Mike Postle actually is a God at poker videos when that time takes place. I would love to see Mike Postle play some more poker on a stream as well. The name of the game here is Texas Hold'em - if you want to show people that you're one of the best players in the world at the game, it's incredibly easy to go upon doing that. You play on streams, you post about your hands, you show people that you are an incredible high level of play all the time, you don't need to look down at something in your crotch to do it. If Mike plays on stream and is playing his high VPIP style while playing his very unusual post flop style while continuing to dominate at the game - no one in the world will think he is some type of cheat at the game of Texas Hold'em. What we saw on those streams Mike was looking in his crotch or grabbing his hat was some of the most dominating poker play in the history of poker. We did not see this same type of play during streams where the crotch looking wasn't present while the body language was completely different. We also know that the device in his crotch was a telephone. That same telephone was present on the table or in other parts of the body while this regular style of poker was taking place and not located in the crotch.

I agree that MP daughter shouldn't be having threats or comments made about her. I was very careful to not let any that talk take place during my streams and I also think it's pretty clear to me that Mike Postle is a person with a heart. I don't have much information to go off of but I have talked in depth with many people close to Mike and the way they care about him shows me that he is someone who does care for others closer to him. Mike isn't living some high roller type life right now, he's a guy trying to support his family and keep getting by which is understandable. At the same time, we did see him treat people at the table in a pretty heartless way if he had access to the hole card information while in the hand together with them. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have felt some type of way outside the table about it or that he is a completely heartless person. We also did see Mike actively checking his crotch during hands and playing in his unusual style where Kevin Racks, who's story had been all over the poker world and is why he was playing in the game on stream, was playing in the games. I don't know if I watched all the footage of there games together but I did not see Mike winning any big pots directly against Kevin.

On the topic of some people wanting to see Postle guilty at this point - I absolutely want this guy to be a ****ing God at poker and one of the best poker players I've ever personally seen in my entire life. I've dedicated my adult life to playing and watching the game of poker. I've seen almost everything relevant that's taken place in the public online and live poker world since 2008. I've admired the top players in the game and the way they thought about the game since I first discovered the poker world existed. I love watching the best players play and compete to get better. I want to believe I've witnessed a guy with the most incredible feel for the game we've ever seen. I don't want to know this guy cheated people that he played with regularly for a year in a poker streamed game where he had access to the hole card information during the ****ing hands.

Most of the arguments I've read don't talk about how MP didn't cheat, they talk about how the proof he's cheating isn't there to them. Most have also admitted that they can see where people are coming from but they would like to see 100% proof to them before they agree. Most of those people have been lacking in an understanding of what exactly winning poker looks like from what I can tell as well.

This is patently wrong, and a poor augmentation of statistical analysis. The "math" does not factor the process in which winnings accumulated.

a bunch of new twitter handles popping up with "but where's the evidence?"
a bunch of new YouTube comments of "but there's no smoking gun"

Mike Postle is getting desperate and feeling the law suit looming towards him...the room is getting smaller and the scared animal has nothing left but a fight or flight retaliation.
Mike, your life is now a reenactment of your interview with Justin...but this time it won't end. You're unable to show how you played perfect, you still don't have the cognitive abilities to walk us through your "perfect" process but now there is no one sending you the information to tell you what to do...you now are at an equal playing field with all of us and are unable to play or make the correct decisions....you are now desperate and you do what a liar or cheater would do...create more lies, create propaganda, create confusion and pray for long term friendships from people who barely know poker to side with you.
i'm not angry, i just will not sit around and allow unethical behavior to happen where i am. you stole from a dying man and the fact that you didn't feel nauseous after doing that makes you a very ****ed up human who i don't respect in the least. I love Joey but he is wrong with one thing, i don't think you (Mike) are nice at all off the table, i think you keep people in your life to suit your needs, whether its stealing from them or using them for your own gains, i have no doubt that you are a total scumbag.

Hoping a few of the more versed individuals about this topic can weigh in on PDBIM's post, particularly in the places where I have questions (bolded):


How accurate is that Potripper vs. Postle graph the first showed up on Reddit?

As Druff mentioned on his podcast, even if you concede that Postle's winnings are "half" of what was claimed, it still puts his win rate roughly even with Potripper's (again, assuming the scatterplot is accurate). And the chances of winning at THAT rate was shown to be something like 1 in 7 trillion. In comparison, getting back-to-back pat royal flushes in five-card draw is something like one in 422 billion. Someone can check my bath on that.


Why can't it be both? If someone robbed my house because a friend of his gave him my address, the code to my alarm system, and a time when I'd be out of town, I'd have problems with each person, even if they had different levels of involvement to the crime.



Meh. I might be in the minority on this, but while committing a crime (or a tort) against a more sympathetic victim might tug at the heartstrings a bit more, it really doesn't have much bearing when it comes to the accused party's guilt vs. innocence. Put another way, if Postle is guilty of cheating, that he did it against a terminally ill person does not suddenly make him more guilty. (Or does it? Can any lawyer inform me as to how much the victim's situation can alter the meted sentence following the verdict?)

For that matter, Kevin Roster's previous win has no relevance here. I'll take your word for it that Kevin won $10K from Mike one week prior. If Kevin won it playing straight up, and Mike won it back by cheating, then yes, I would still feel the same way about Mike's actions – at least from a criminal or tortious standpoint – regardless of a previous interaction.

In all fairness, yes, there were a few situations when the sensors misread the cards. You'd watch the hand and think, "wow did he really call the flop with THAT?" But in every case that I can remember, the graphics would then be corrected when the players repositioned the cards, or when the next street was dealt. This happens during the WSOP live coverage, let alone Stones Live Poker.

To those knowledgeable with RFID technology, does the system rescan the cards repeatedly within a hand? e.g. a player puts his/her cards over the reader again, or a turn/river card is dealt and thus positioned on the community cards' reader at the center of the table.

For what it's worth, this could also explain why Postle was occasionally spotted putting his card back on the reader: an opponent's cards did not pick up, or did not pick up correctly, and by moving his cards onto that logo, it makes the system reread all of the cards. But I'm totally spitballin' here, so please forgive me if I'm off base.


Not sure what you're saying here. Most of us think MP cheated in order to win more money. Perhaps your sentence structure is confusing me.

Okay, I'll bite. I've never wondered about that tablet.

I am now. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Couldn't agree more with this post. Any examples you (or anyone else) can share? Certainly in the interests of everyone involved – on both sides, mind you – that this sort of behavior is halted immediately.




Glad you put it back up, then. Whether or not anyone agrees with his take, or his ire directed at Veronica, he alludes to a few things that are worth looking into.

What's also interesting about this post: if he is as much of an insider as he claims, he could/should be able to provide some insight that refutes some of the accusations and helps clear Postle's name.

And yes, I'm sure his response to THAT will be some form of "I don't have to tell you anything, the burden of proof rests on the accusers blah blah blah" but jeeeez, people look to establish alibi defenses all of the time.