Has a California Civil Court Lawyer already posted how many juror's need to find liability? If I understood what I read, it's 3/4's of them.

While you are right about the California rule, you are wrong about the court in this case.

They filed the suit in federal court.

Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 48 states that a federal civil jury must begin with at least 6 and no more than 12 members, and that the verdict must be unanimous unless the parties stipulate otherwise.

Yes, you can plead the fifth, but in a criminal trial the jury will be told that they can not hold that against you. In a civil trial they’ll tell the jury that they can take into consideration the fact that you pled the 5th and draw their own conclusions. And any juror will almost certainly conclude that you have something to hide and it will turn out poorly for you.

Oh, tyvm.

I'm laying 8/5 Postle never sees a courtroom.

Just as a fun Bet I’ll take your 8-5 for €5
& if I win then give it to charity & if you win then do the Same.
I’m a Uk Lawyer or Solicitors is what we are called in the uk 🇬🇧
There are at the moment 76 People doing what we call a Class action Lawsuit.
All being done with at least 1 lawyer & multiple expert witnesses including a poker instructor for the Jury.
There is less of a burden of proof in a civil case & I feel with all the evidence as it is that it is a very winnable case & it’s more than likely that now it’s a Federal case that it could turn in to a corporate case with 76+ victims. It will be well bankrolled as you have 76 Gamblers wanting big chunks of money back & each claimant will have their own Evidence on top with how much they can prove they lost. That would be too time consuming & doing it as a class action lawsuit means less delays & a quicker Result

I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is this is technically not a class action suit, but has many plaintiffs.

Not sure what is meant by doesn't see a courtroom. 95% of cases are settled before trial. Usually, they are settled after depositions, so probably Postle will have to testify being questioned by the plaintiffs' attorneys, but not in court with a judge and jury.

Care to revise your statement. I am here because of national news.

thrown out, settled, or epsteined?

I finally got caught up on everything. I have played all types of poker for 25 years.

He is either:
A) God
B) Greatest poker player in history
C) Cheating

The casino is going to get slaughtered in this case. There’s no way they get away with advertising and profiting off a crooked game. Every player was led to the proverbial slaughter. Publicly.

They better find a witness or proof of device. Trying to argue that someone couldn’t run that good probably isn’t enough proof. He is a professional. Each individual hand on its own is fine. I’ve seen much worse play.




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All this attention on one "caught" person. I wonder about broader casino picture. Google gets fined $$$ by Feds. Facebook gets fined $$$. AT&T huge fine $$$. Ford and GM get Fed heat. Guess casinos are operated by monks, because I never heard of single CORPORATE operated casino in trouble with the Federal Government.

But they don't need to just argue that someone couldn't run that good, and they don't have to look at each individual hand on its own. It's when you contrast his decisions and playing approach over the entire collection of hands when his phone is in his crotch vs. when it's not that it is easily demonstrable even to non-poker players that it is only explained by cheating.

All that would be necessary in a civil trial is to show that cheating explains the facts better than any non-cheating explanation the defendants may have. And they need to have an explanation. If the plaintiffs show evidence supporting cheating and the defendants show nothing, the plaintiffs win in a civil trial.

All this focus on Postle. It was presumably JFK who was running a blatantly crooked game on a live stream. He may never be seen at Stones again.

The plaintiffs probably have technical and eye witness evidence to the cheating, but it won't be released until depositions. The plaintiffs will call poker and math expert witnesses. If the defense calls expert witnesses, it will be easy to make fools of them.

Stones isn't going to want the case to go to trial, and have more stories on the news about this. It isn't how it works that if you did something you go to trial and hope the other side can't prove it. They don't need to prove it anyway in a civil case. Even in a criminal case, people who are obviously guilty plead guilty. They don't go to trial hoping the prosecution can't prove it, and get 3x or whatever the sentence if convicted.

Some people here have been watching too many dramatic TV shows and movies.

It will probably remain that way for your lifetime because the Feds don't control the gambling laws, the state governments do.

I politely disagree.

I don’t think he will he found guilty without definitive proof. Every individual hand he plays is fine. All explainable. Especially by a long-term poker pro. He will absolutely bring in witnesses that will defend him. You already have them here. He is a winning professional poker player.

You have one internal investigation saying there was nothing amiss. Pretty powerful statement that he was cleared.


His defense:
-pro
-luck isn’t illegal
-he is allowed to look at phone
-cleared by one investigation
-multiple witnesses that will defend him (his play and history)
-no evidence of tampering (currently)
-the players who lost suck at cards and are bitter
-every single hand on its own is explainable
-he lost hands
-rfid makes errors and those weren’t his cards (it does happen)
-were other people even involved and could one person possibly do it on his own

More than enough to cause confusion and doubt with a jury.

I’m 99.9% sure he cheated. I guess that does leave an out. They need to figure out how and be able to reproduce it at a minimum.

Wouldn't be surprised if JFK or Postle flips on the other.

Or if a third person was in on it from the tech side.

just visiting this post, (tx)

THIS is where I think the rubber meets the road.

JFK specifically.

Someone mentiond above what i think this will be the key to a conviction or a guilty verdict in a civil case.

Recreate the phone with the card graphics.

That you have not heard of something is hardly probative of whether it exists ...

Google FinCEN and Venetian, then you will have heard of one .....

State "gaming boards" "gaming commissions" don't "control". They operate in tandem and are extensions of corporate casino operations within many state governments. That is very problematic.

Fair enough. I was just pointing out that if it were to go to a civil trial, the burden isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt. All they have to show is that the set of facts presented are more likely explained by him cheating than not. And when you connect the 180 degree difference in how he plays when the phone is in his crotch vs. when it's not, I think a jury would not be swayed by the seeds of doubt that you listed, but it's obviously just conjecture at this point.

It may be that I have more faith in the average intellect of a typical jury than I should. I served on a jury for one civil trial and one criminal trial, and I found the jurors to be quite reasonable on both. Certainly this won't always be the case.

I myself think he is guilty. I wouldn’t feel comfortable at all putting a long-time professional poker player in jail who beat a bunch of donks with look how he played different hands. There is no chance you can explain it this very well to a jury.

This isn’t the same as flipping coins. There are tells and betting patterns. It is a game of skill. He is a skilled player. People do run hot.

Half of poker players blame the dealer for their cards. Very, very superstitious bunch.

He will say he was looking at the delayed stream on his phone to get information on his opponents. Or sports scores.

He has defenders. There is doubt he cheated. Every single hand is explainable though.

You have people in here defending his KK fold. He put the other guy on Aces. Didn’t feel it. Other hand he gambled that they both had non-suited high cards and took a slight risk with his 5-4. Different players.

Someone will claim, rightfully, that he played the cards wrong if he knew the other players’ hole cards. Then you get into he is acting to pretend he doesn’t know their cards. That the pauses are by design. It isn’t going to fly.

They need real evidence. The hope is that they will get in through discovery. The fact that he hasn’t been arrested/charged makes me wonder if they even have anything on him.

Did he possibly pull off the perfect crime in front of the world? No witnesses and nobody can definitively say how he cheated?

Incredible story. It will be interesting to see the turn and river.





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There are no criminal charges now, but a civil suit. Presumably there will be other evidence than hand play and win rate.

In the 54o hand you mention, you called two allins for something like 300xBB with 54o. Both players had AK so he had expected profit. Presumably no one is going allin preflop in a cash games without JJ+, AK. It is likely one of them would have AA. It isn't slight risk. He is in bad shape against a pp.If you look at the patterns, he makes similar ridiculous plays postflop, which only work if you know your opponents cards.

You are listing all the things except what I mentioned and what is the most compelling evidence: That he makes correct decisions every time he has the phone in his crotch and not when he doesn't. And plays a very different style as well. That is much different than running good/bad, etc. It all changes based on that one thing. How does the defense explain that whether his phone is in his crotch or not is completely correlated with how he plays, whether he bluffs into only weak hands, whether he calls with weak hands but only when they're winning hands, etc.?