I was hoping someone would say this!

The system was eerily similar. The team members in the dugout with the inside information would bang on a garbage can to indicate change-ups. Pretty similar to how Postle was getting the signal to his crotch.

Interestingly, one opposing pitcher figured it out, called a mound conference, and changed the signs.

Right. And that does make the bb/100 stats misleading. Of course he was cheating, but you'd have to calculate a winrate based on the way this game actually played, not the ostensible 1/3 limit.

The batteries used for a BT bone conduction device that's small enough to fit into a cap wouldn't last longer than 2 hours. Those tiny batteries are rechargeable but not removable. At best Mike would have to swap identical caps during breaks. Then there's that 30 foot BT distance limitation to consider.

Sign stealing and changing signs because of it are very common in baseball. There are rules the Astros violated, such as using a camera in the center field fence and non players relaying signals from the stands during play.

Relaying someone's cards in poker is considered cheating, but relaying stolen signs is allowed to some degree.

nope, the batteries last between 6 and 8 hours depending on the model they start going downhill after about 50 full recharges

Were they banging on the garbage can using morse code?

One bang = off-speed pitch

No bangs = fastball

With no runner on second, they don’t even hide what signals mean, so they are just picking off universal signals like one finger = fastball.

6-8 hours is for headphones, which have larger batteries. From experience, the tiny covert over-the-ear bone conduction batteries don't last that long. Having said that, I'm willing to believe that the caps might hold a larger battery than the tiny ones without a cap.

They must have found the evidence by now.

Will the gaming commission keep their mouth shut until the courtdates are over?

Why not tell what they found?

What if they are unable to find anything? Do you really think the gaming commission is going to be as thorough as the frame by frame analysis from some in this thread?

9,700 posts later, and the only proof is he won. It’s like expecting to give a murder conviction with no body and no weapon.

No. It's like having a dead body and knowing who killed it and seeing that it didn't die naturally though not yet knowing how exactly it died.

We don't know what evidence the plaintiff's attorneys have assembled. We also don't know if there is a criminal investigation and how far it has progressed. The plaintiffs will presumably request overhead camera footage and other information. I expect that plaintiff will have much more evidence than is known now.

My understanding is that both sides develop their cases and question witnesses etc. Usually, the case is settled after that, but it is possible for it to be settled earlier or go to trial. It is possible Stones will settle early partly to avoid the evidence being presented.

If you check out the posts and videos etc. There is a lot more than that he won.

Actually there isn’t.

He stares at his crotch. Bump in the hat. Keys on table. Didn’t win as much when someone else wasn’t there. Conspiracy theories at best.

His winning and the lines he took absolutely bring cheating into question, but there isn’t a single post in this thread that shows caught on camera proof.

And the Lifetime Achievement Award for Failure in Reading Comprehension goes to:

Now I understand how jurors found OJ not guilty. There are actually people like you out there. "I know the DNA evidence shows his blood at the crime scene and the victims' blood in his vehicle and in his bedroom, but there's no video of him committing the murders."

I’d like to thank my parents and all the little people that helped me accomplish this. Truly an honor.

Back to wondering how long the batteries last on bone vibration devices.

There were bodies and a weapon in that case.

If the bone conduction earphones don't fit. you must acquit!

You’re saying there’s no video proving it, as if that’s necessary to prove guilt. And the equivalent of a body in this case is the impossible winnings. The weapon is the phone that he always looks at when those winnings occur. It’s like having video of OJ next to the bodies holding a knife.

What about the fact that he never suffered a single cooler? What about him suspiciously bluffing people in spots where it is so difficult for him to be able to truly know that he could bluff? What about the insane calls like 54 offsuit against two AK hands? What about overbetting all in on the river in a chopping situation? What about his suspicious placement of the cellphone and the suspicious mannerisms of staring down at his crotch? What about the inability to demonstrate any type of poker reasoning for his actions? What about his refusal to play off camera, reportedly racking up any time the stream ended?

Lets not forget that this is a civil trial, not a criminal trial, so the burden of proof is simply a preponderance of the evidence and not beyond reasonable doubt. I think there is certainly enough evidence to show he probably cheated, and it goes beyond how much he won.

Ding ding ding. Loses civil, would win any potential criminal. See: OJ.

just to play devils advocate.. you are arguing the statistics defense.
But how do you make it tangible? Aside from that they can just defend that he doesn't play a statistic oriented game and goes with his 'feel'.

How do you define 'poker reasoning'?
Him getting up when stream ends can be easily explained that he is just interested in playing due to the stream as for e.g. exposure.
What is suspiciously bluffing? What is suspicious phone placement?
Certainly curious how you will convince people of suspicious crouch staring.. lol

put that in the context of a civil trial without in-depth poker knowledge.

Since we are talking about getting murder convictions without a body or a weapon, I'd like to point out a case where just that happened. The case of Hans Reiser, who killed his wife Nina. The prosecutors had no body and no murder weapon, and he was found guilty of 1st degree murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser

After he was convicted, he led the police to where he'd buried her body. He strangled her with his hands and so there was no weapon.

To keep this on topic, to say that there is evidence of it beyond Postle making correct plays of the time isn't truthful. Heck, we can't even point to the fact that he won consistently. There are sessions on the spreadsheet right up until the end where he wasn't in "god mode". Without access to his phone and texting records we can only speculate that he was receiving information about other players holdings with it. Looking at his crotch isn't an indication of cheating. Without physical evidence of a bone conducting headset we can only speculate on that too. A "bump in the hat" is just that. Who happened to be in town when he was winning is highly circumstantial at best. Having his keys on the table is proof of nothing.

If this case went to a criminal trial today based on what we know in this thread, there would be less than a 1% chance of conviction and I think that's being generous.

Do I think he cheated? Almost certainly. But there really isn't any proof of it.

This is apples to oranges but if pressed...

There is NO body here.

We all know he cheated but it's tough to prove without being a player and understanding what running like that requires. (cheating)

But unless he forgot his phone one time and we were able to get the program running on it etc. I don't see a solid criminal case and the civil case is shaky.