Wait until he hears about what happened to Phil Ivey

It's a great question and I'm not sure of the answer. I don't know a whole lot about all of that but completely speculatively:

• May be tied in with Stones so they're using the same lawyer
• Lawyer is doing it 'Pro Bono' as there will be so much media coverage (publicity for him)
• Mike using his savings from being the biggest winner of all-time on UB

Sorry for double post but the 2nd app (orange one) looks very much like VLC app which would make sense for some sort of streaming cheating.

You still need the dealer to be in on it with those devices. In practice, these devices are pretty much worthless in any multi table live setting.

I highly doubt Stones and MP would be represented by the same attorney. As a general rule; if you find yourself named as one of many defendants in a civil suit, get your own lawyer: you just might need to throw the other defendants "under the bus." I also doubt an attorney would take on something like this pro bono. At the end of the day; MP paying for his lawyer is simply one of his many current problems.

I'd say you're probably right on both fronts...

So is their plan just to bamboozle the poker-illiterate jury by discrediting all the statistics as nerd math in the absence of any 'smoking gun'?

They must be fairly confident about the outcome of the technology inquest?

I found a 1/2 plo stream September 10th 2018 of mike blatantly staring at his crotch. I believe this is a different plo stream that was covered earlier. And a different one from what Joey covered. I timestamped a hand that clearly shows mike fake peeling cards on the turn while bending far into crotch. Im not sure when he starts cheating during this stream but once he gets a bit more deepstacked we can see it blatantly. Take a look at the massive crotch stares (especially on the turn) and the perfect river bluff below. If anyone wants to dissect this stream please do so.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308566276?t=12106s

03:21:46

Next hand. Look at how Mike bends over to look at crotch before he goes to peel his cards. He messed up here and went for the crotch way before the card peel VERY TELLING! To me its virtually the smoking gun.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308566276?t=15048s

04:10:45

Edit: i watched a tiny bit more of this stream and i am concluding that since this is just less than 2 months since god mode mike began (July 18th 2018), Mike was bad at masking the crotch stares. This is a really telling stream. Mike builds up a huge stack 1/2 plo.

One more plo crotch stare below .

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308566276?t=15498s

For you PLO specialists - the hand at 03:25:45.

Is that snap fold on the river with a boat by Postle really a standard play?

What is the prize for being the 1,000,000th viewer of this thread?

Postle played differently against Moneymaker. He was friends - or trying to be friendly - with him. As well as the 54o hand where he let Moneymaker have most of his chips back, Postle didn't make his "usual" godmode moves in a couple of spots against Moneymaker. (Indeed, in at least one stream, Postle didn't sit down until Moneymaker had left the table).
One theory is that Postle cheated less when experienced pros (like Moneymaker or Berkey) were around, possibly because they might work out something was up. Postle mostly went for the soft targets; the casual players like "the lawyer", the "Teriyaki business man", and Veronica's friends.
That is the funniest "RFID error" of this saga! (It also proves that it's possible to do some realtime manual-overriding of the hole-card graphics. Putting part of Postle's avatar in there, presumably accidentally, is such a crazy misclick though!)
Thanks for these session notes. I've added a link to your post in the spreadsheet.
Thanks for these notes too. That session was previously uninvestigated.
Some of them did. It's partly why the pots got so big, with Postle's opponents occasionally also making outrageous plays with "no equity" hands. They'd seen him making crazy donk-bluffs, seen him winning a lot, and heard him being called the "best player" at Stones, so they must have been influenced by him. It's just that when these players tried making big moves, they hardly ever worked because they did them somewhat randomly. Postle's big bluffs weren't random at all. When godmoding, he never bluffed into a hand that couldn't be folded.

Thats rediculous. I added the time stamp below. He folds 10 7 on a 9 10 7 7 A board to a single river bet and of course his opponent has 10 10.

Better question how does mike not raise the turn here turning the 2nd nuts. Just flats after a couple of flats. REDICULOUS

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308566276?t=12472s

yeah lol, he doesnt jsut fold, he snap folds, that is jsut totally ridiculous, also a raise on the turn would seem like the more normal play.

The turn call is absolutely 100% standard, raising would be bad. He has the third nuts, by the way. He's beat by TT and 99. It's like a 7 way turn lol. In PLO ranges converge extremely quickly once a bet and a raise goes in, or a bet goes in multiway. Raising turn literally folds out everything he beats and gets called by everything he's losing to or chopping with, pretty much

I think this is a fold more often than not. I don’t know the player, but vs most not so great players you played a lot with, you will know where you are at when they throw out a big bet like this after the turn action 90% of the time. Now if he’s an unknown that might be a different story, but even then it’s not a snap call.

Raising turn is just silly.

proves everything here on 2+2.

nothing more than circumstantial evidence in court and that alone would not be enough for guilty verdict.

They will need to flip a witness that will testify to what happened or find direct evidence of cheating. Then case closed.

That was some pages ago (thread moves so fast )...
Thank you for replying. You're exactly one of the persons I was NOT referring to -> that's definitely only a good sign, when people come back having your background or likewise

Good luck at the tables !

And thanks again to all the guys investing their time digging into this

But if sued in civil court the plaintiff only needs the balance of probability ie 51% sure to win

No evidence provides proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. With this logic, no one could ever be convicted of a crime. There is plenty of evidence that - when put together - creates a strong case against Mike Postle. This whole "there is no proof" thing seems to come from people who haven't seen all the evidence, and his winnings are not the only evidence or the most damning evidence. That said, sophisticated gamblers know that the statistical evidence alone makes him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The question is whether a jury can understand this.

I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that that could be plenty for a civil case where they only need to show it is more likely than not that he cheated, not beyond a reasonable doubt as is required in a criminal case.

If it was a criminal case, showing no one has ever been known achieve such a high win rate over such a period alone would likely not be enough. There is a chance he's one of the best players in the world or went on an unprecedented heater. But in a civil case, since it is more likely than not that he's not one of the best players in the world and that he didn't run better than anyone ever has, it could be enough to find in favor of the plaintiffs.

Trying to catch up on all this, and this post is just plain wrong. If you don't know, don't speculate about these things.

It's a conspiracy regardless of whether the crime was completed. A conspiracy requires an agreement to commit a crime. What you were talking about was an "attempt" to commit a crime, which doesn't apply here. They completed it, and agreed to do it ahead of time = conspiracy to commit fraud.

And yes, it is fraud, i.e., theft by scheme or trick. (Plaintiffs added RICO to their complaint, too...yikes!) To my knowledge there's no such crime as "cheating at poker." Lol....

good point. yes I was mixing up the two.

I just recently got back into Poker - since I moved to AZ and Vegas is 4 hours away. I started watching DNEG's WSOP daily vlogs this year and it occurred to me anyone who thinks Postle is a God and one of the best should watch what happens to one of the best.

It is shocking to compare his experience vs Postle, yes I know WSOP is not a cash game, but the point I'm making is Daniel got busted a lot - it happens to even the greats, except for Postle. That is what is really shocking, Postle is never wrong. And Daniel wasn't trying to make crazy plays with 45o etc either.

I’m not sure if this is news or not. I’m not even close to being caught up in this thread.

This popped up on the Sacramento Business Journal about 20 min ago:

“The casino has hired former federal prosecutor Michael Lipman to conduct an investigation into the claims.

“Stones is very serious about finding out what, if anything, happened,” Lipman said. The casino has also hired New York City-based digital forensics company Stroz Friedberg to examine the casino’s computer system.

“Everything that’s been said on the internet and in the complaint is what I would describe as circumstantial evidence,” Lipman said. “The best evidence is going to be what results from the examination of the computers.””

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...tion-into.html

One week expense-paid trip to Stones Casino. Second-place prize is two weeks.