Will you accept prepaid Morse code lessons in lieu of cash or chips?

Ahhh, sorry, I saw DOJ and got confused. I should have read more carefully.

Great interview Jonathan!


Thanks for that


To anyone:

How many jurors in a US civil suit? Do all of them have to agree similar to a criminal trial?

Re lawsuits: this has mediated settlement and NDAs written all over it.

The discovery and depositions in this case are not going to be fun or pretty. Likely two years or so from
now, everyone is going to probably want to have this over and done with and put behind them in their lives. A payment plan for the settlement award will be agreed to, over and done.

Settle down with the excitement over civil trials and juries and the like. It’s just not really likely to happen, as much as this thread would love the theater of it all

ETA: I’m calling my shot now: the total settlement agreed to before legal fees will be $1 million or less. Change my mind.

Joey said Stones is reaching out to players in the game trying to settle.

One thing to remember about this is we have evidence of how Postle plays when he is not cheating. While he is certainly not the worst player in the world, he's far from a brilliant NLHE strategist and a number of his plays were weak.

I think he may not have fully considered SPR when making some of his flop and turn calls. It was closer to "I have equity, I am not folding". He calls one or two all in's, as I remember, when he wasn't getting odds to call as well.

And the reality is, "I have equity, I am not folding" is not a terrible deviation from optimal God mode strategy- getting there occasionally with some bad calls is helpful to the table image that he just always gets there, rather than that he is doing something improper.

It would be in Stones best interest and probably the plaintiffs as well for them to:

-Fire anyone they found to have worked with Mike, been negligent, or complicit with anyone involved.
-Sue Mike themselves and perma ban him from any property they own/co-own
-Reach out to any and all players who were proven via stream to have played with Mike during the cheating sessions and offer them full restitution + a small bonus kicker (maybe 5k per player idk what would be fair).
-Have everyone sign NDAs
-Issue am apology to Veronica on top of all of this and a thank you for exposing these cheats that were using their casino for their own gain.

Idk if any of that will happen but that would be a good start to getting this all out of the way and settled

Thanks for your work on the spreadsheets. They have been helpful for me, and I'll try and get more involved in adding info. I am not a mathematician and don't know exactly how much statistical evidence (or how big a sample size) you need to "prove" that a winrate is nigh on impossible in a particular game, how one would calculate (or even estimate) a winning reg's EV in such a crazy game, or how many deviations above "normal" Postle's winrate might be.
But to convince a skeptic of Postle's cheating, can't you just take 5 or 10 sessions (or as many as possible) when he's clearly not cheating, and work out his winrate (or lossrate) in those, and then compare the result to his profits in a similar number of sessions where he is displaying signs of cheating (e.g. crotch-stares). i.e. You compare "Normal Mike" and "Godmode Mike". You can argue the case that he is a "moderate winner" of X bb/100 when not cheating, and then show he's a monstrous winner when cheating*.
In the first 8 sessions he is not Godmoding, and his profits are fairly small at a few hundred dollars (he had 3 losing sessions). In the first 8 sessions that have been confirmed as Godmode/crotch-stare sessions, he won every time and his smallest win was over $1000, and his largest was over $22,000.

* Someone else did some clever math which calculated p values that showed there is an exceedingly high correlation between Mike's winning sessions and him looking at this crotch, but a much lower correlation between winning and wearing a particular baseball cap, or having his keys on the rail.
That's so clever. It will be interesting if it comes up with other examples of the blue screen.

Agreed. And if there is a settlement, I’d take the under on $250k.

At this point, I imagine Stone’s is working closely with law enforcement agencies to nail postle & his accomplice(s), and limit their liability. Expecting The answers we are all looking for are going to come out thru the criminal side of the justice system.

Idiot cheater is idiot.

Heads will roll, or they are sunk. Whether they settle or not. No sane person would play there again.
Casino & JFK need to pay for negligence, on top of giving all the money back.

I'm speculating a little, but Berkey had his phone out most of the stream, I think I recall Christian Soto saying they didn't say anything at first, but then told them not to have phones out later in the stream.

Sort of seems like Postle knew about the phone ban, played for 3 and a half hours, realized he could get away with it and then played with it in his crotch for most of the second half of the stream. It's hard to tell at times if he's in full God mode because you only see him 25% of the time (rotates between 4 cameras). He almost never looks at his crotch the first 3:31:00, then its almost every hand after.

I think it's great your looking into this session specifically because it's the one that seems most likely to me to involve the bone conducting headset as a method of cheating.

I think whoever is running the spreadsheet, to me it's not as simple declaring that he was in god mode or not in god mode in any given session, it's really more of a probabilistic scale. The session on 9/18/19, I watched the entire stream, so no suspicious hands or behavior, and hands I don't think he would have played the same if he could see his opponents cards. I would say 1% chance he was cheating in that stream. However, when he does seem like he could be cheating, which is when he has suspicious behavior and makes a very good play, it's not always clear he is cheating. In the 9/21/19 session, there are a fair amount of spots where it seems like he is not cheating. There are some great bluffs he makes where it may just be a great bluff and not cheating. The Marle hand obviously was one of the most suspicious hands.

I have watched the 9/21/19 session extensively and I disagree with your conclusion that he didn't start cheating until the 3.5 hour mark, but I will say it does seem like in a lot of sessions there is much more clear evidence of cheating later in the session compared to earlier.

There are several hands, the bluff on the 9555 board against AK, the c/r against KK on an A88 board, the hand where he folds a pair and a gutter against a set where he almost certainly would have called if he was facing even an overpair, where you could say it's possible he's cheating. There's also a ton of suspicious behavior putting his left hand and pressing the area of the hat above his left ear. Please look at these hands and let me know if you disagree with my assessment that he could have been cheating before 3:30:00

Hey screw you and answer my damn question.


Your ETA probably isn't too far from the truth. I just hope Postle gets nailed.

All of the footage is discoverable. If preserved, Plaintiffs will be able to see all the footage from each camera including the camera directly on Mike P during each game.

It would be much better to have a criminal case adjudicated before the civil case in the works.

Where are the police, the Feds, law enforcement?

They need 3/4s of the jury to convict, 9 of 12

One of the comments on the right said that was the day he turned to cheating.

In this case, bc it was filed in federal court, yes the decision would have to be unanimous. (If it was filed in state court, it would only need 75 percent agreement). The major difference between civil/criminal is in a criminal trial, a juror needs to decide someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case they just need to believe its more likely than not.

Jury can be between 6-12 members. Also could be a bench trial.

He's calling the flop for 2 reasons. The backdoor equity is a small boost but it's mostly the fact that it looks really weird to call the 3bet pre and then just fold to one bet with middle pair on K8x. Yes, clearly he's pretty dumb in terms of figuring out what looks way too suspicious and what doesn't, but it's very obvious that whatever idea he has of that influences his play, and it's why he doesn't always lose the literal minimum. It's as simple as that.

Truth is idk but I want to say it’s at least 12 as a guess

Calling all armchair detectives! Here is something that can help you with research, and will also help with the case against Postle and/or his accomplice(s), while also possibly exonerating innocent parties.

THIS is one of the many spreadsheets being completed. Even if you don't do any deep analysis yourself, you can use this spreadsheet to read about suspicions and you can follow links to the YouTube replays. (The spreadsheet is very wide; URLs are on the right).

If you look at the spreadsheet right now, possibly the first thing you will notice is that the majority of sessions are "uninvestigated". Wouldn't you like to be the first to find another smoking gun?

Here's where you come in. You can pick an "uninvestigated session", follow the link to it, and then watch it, either at high-speed looking for general info, or slower in search of specific details.
You can then right-click in the relevant cell and add your notes. These will show up with a little yellow triangle. It would be very useful if you add timestamps, so that your observations can be confirmed by others.

e.g. A note on God-moding:


It's important that sessions where Postle doesn't appear to be cheating are also studied. Something you see/hear in that session might provide an explanation for how he cheated in others.

You don't have to focus on the God Mode column. I've been looking at sessions for evidence of particular staff members, and I plan to do more of this. If you see JFK in the booth, or walking around, make a note and get a timestamp. If you hear the commentators speak to Taylor (or Lance), or see him on the floor, make a note:


If you see something that looks suspicious but don't know if it's important, or there's a hand where you're not sure if Postle is cheating, by all means post it in this thread and see what others say.
If we can get this spreadsheet filled out, then VerStandig and the other lawyers can totally nail these guys, and get the highest amount of damages for all the victims. Let's go, Team NVG!

Spreadsheet link, once more: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290

Guys something struck me during the Veronica interview. She mentioned how Mike could have played a couple hands per sessions in god mode before July 18th 2018 to practice the system and get good at it. Im now digging into this theory because it makes sense. The smoking gun might be in plain site on the rail before July 18th. I briefly looked at this 1k sitngo that was played Feb 23rd 2018, and mike has a phone and ipad on his rail. Im going to look into this Feb 2018 stream and i encourage others to look into previous July 18th streams as well for any irregularities.

His phone and ipad are in crystal clear view, and i am hypothesizing that Mike may have actually opened the cheating app on phone (or through messaging) while its on rail to god mode pre July 2018 for only a couple times per stream to test his system. I just need time to look at it in depth.

One thing to know is mike’s show called “dream seat poker” took place way back in 2017. Lets look into if mike was practicing god mode maybe for only a couple hands per session pre July 2018 even if his devices are on the rail.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/232171434

Lets dissect streams from before the phone went under the table!

Wait, what?

This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...

Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0

4:16:00 in this video. Would you agree Postle is positioning his phone under his crotch at this moment?