Ok thanks for the clarification, was only asking bc I was getting confused on who was who. Im guessing lawdude is a lawyer, thanks in advance for your response too, if you do decide to respond.

Yeah, I think the way this plays out is that someone involved in production (but whom is wholly innocent and wants to remove suspicion of themselves) says to the investigators words to the effect of "The way he could cheat is by someone in the control booth doing XYZ."
And then the investigators are supplied with a list of dates when cheating definitely happened and when it didn't (2+2 can help with this), and they check the room's logbook/diary that shows who was working on all those dates, and whom was in the production booth... and they get a 100% correlation with one particular staff member.
From there, you'd need the statistical proof of ungodly results, along with video evidence during those sessions, but the investigators would at least know the culprits, just from basic interviews and logbook-checking.

I believe it was this pot; and yeah if my memory is right then there is a screenshot of that specific post somewhere in the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BATK...FDFL2t&index=7

wrong. and not even remotely close to enough in a court.

textbook circumstantial

more circumstantial. He reads souls and has white magic. deal with it


good luck with that Mr. DA


Do you think Stones owners have the pull to stop these folks.(Stones Team already caught lying to gaming commission by hiding club ownership. They had to pay 500K+ in fines, other fees and licenses revoked for 24 months)


https://oag.ca.gov/gambling/enforce


Also, Card Club Owners have their hands full trying to keep player banked pit games. Tribes are fighting for new rules that would limit their ability to spread those games. The cheating at Stones is the last thing on their minds (except maybe who ever benefits from LATB)

Yep, I did



And this was a comment that Justin and Postle both laughed at

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Speculating on whether anyone will be prosecuted, before we have any idea what will be revealed by a law enforcement investigation, is silly.

Just from what we know right now though, no, there is not enough to prosecute. Think of a mob boss. Everyone may know he's a criminal, but if you don't have the hard evidence to prove it, he doesn't get prosecuted.

Does anyone really believe these guys are criminal masterminds though? Does anyone believe they were capable of covering all their tracks? Does anyone believe someone like Postle accurately reported his income for his taxes?

The poker community has done an impressive job flagging these people, but it's going to be up to the relevant agencies to actually take action, and we are all just going to have to be a little patient and see what they have to say about it.

Even if you can completely disregard or give him the benefit of the doubt as just being Crazy Mike or a wizard in all the dozens of times he's ready to play for stacks on the river with 8 or 9 high or bottom pair on scary boards and never being wrong. So even if we can give him credit for those hands how do we explain all the dozens and dozens of hands any mortal would be thrilled to go check/check on the river or check/call and yet instead of doing that he's always able to put in the thinnest of value plays whether betting or raising for value expertly.

If you're going to play devil's advocate here, I think it's a lot easier to attribute the river shoves to his expert psychology powers than it is to his value plays that are nearly impossible to consistently make for almost everyone.

Licensed member of the California bar, 24 years experience.

See above. They were never told about it.

I'm doing some analysis of the data in R. I'm going to look at a lot of different factors, but here's a cursory look at keys and phone in lap as variables. I turned those columns into 1's as yes and 0 as no. I did a simple OLS regression to see how well those variables predicted his profit. Having keys on the table or phone on your lap should have no significance and no predictive power of his results, just like the color of his shirt or whether its raining.

The keys on the table have no predictive power to how much he profits and has a very high p value, just like we would expect. This throws cold water on the theory about the keys. Even if I look at the most recent 30 sessions, still absolutely 0 predictive power on his profit.

https://imgur.com/a/S3H9JAj

However, the phone being on his lap or not has remarkable significance.

https://imgur.com/a/2sZuLYw

The p value is super low, which means this variable is very significant. When his phone was in his lap, he won an average of $4,546 per session. When his phone wasn't in his lap, he won an average of $227 per session. This should not matter at all if the person is playing fair. But whether his phone was in his lap or not significantly predict how much he wins. This is not deep statistical analysis, I'm just using OLS. I encourage data scientists to look at the Postle spreadsheet and do your own research.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1252155464

mike is god first half of this stream > 0:17 , 0:17 , 0:44 , 0:50 , 0:56 , 1:31
mike is ungodly second half of this stream > 1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 , 2:33

I believe he is trying to mouth something to the camera (reactions to football game on TV are different in every other spots) > 0:59 , 1:37

watch hand at 0:44 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, someone tells dealer to tell him to reregister cards in real time, who?

watch hand at 1:19 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, Lance than shows up to table to check dealers headset at 1:24

could deff jus be that n im seeing things but MP was in god mode till/during hand 1:31 out of god mode hand 1:38 n rest of stream … lance makes appearance on stream 1:24 to check dealer headset so know he working/tech. Idk 1:37 looks diff to me than other times MP reacts to game

Why should I remember something that I never knew in the first place.

He's adaptive huh? Well I've seen him play and he doesn't look to adaptive to me. Anyways I gotta leave midpost for some pizza.

So, Stone is going to have to conclude that Mike was cheating, in their casino. From there on there are only two options:
a. Mike had one or multiple accomplices who are Stones employees=Stones in trouble for liability
b. Stones security was SO LACKLUSTER that Mike did this on his own=Stones in trouble for liability

I mean I see no way around this for them. They're gonna have to figure out wtf to do and who to throw under the bus

I didn't say just Stones. The whole card club industry isn't going to want the regulators or prosecutors to do anything.

Important point

Doesn't the software they use for hole cards pretty easy to trace.. aka whose connecting to it, how it's getting setup, etc. All this stuff should have logs, and even if they went beyond the norm and deleted logs - that's still very suspect. But I'm sure even with deleted logs, IT Forensics could get trace data evidence at some point that shows how the software got setup and who was connecting to it... really this would not be hard to prove in a court of law with IT Forensics involved to some extent. Then you mix in his mannerisms, win rates, etc. It'd be an extremely easy case to win if it was brought to court and the investigators actually investigated with computer forensics.

As usual the poker 2+2 humpers making this more complicated then it is. It really comes to whether Stones Casino wants this stained onto their image, and if investigators are competent.

There is already a very contentious relationship between CA Card Clubs (CGA) and CGCC.

I'd say the chance of CGA or any other clubs going near this issue is close enough to zero to be zero.

Clubs are already fighting with commission on much much much more important matters.

Little Finger is a brilliant schemer playing 4D chess, especially the Little Finger from ASOIAF.

It is just as simple as you say, but only if the "happy path" is available, meaning all devices in question still exist, in untampered form, and aren't at the bottom of the river/lake. If they have all those pieces, yes, it should be cut and dry. The chances of them actually having all those pieces is pretty low. Just looking at the PokerGFX server will not be enough if the logs are gone, or if they weren't painfully stupid about how Postle's feed was set up. I've said this before, but if I were a cheating ****, I'd make 100% certain that I was VNCed into a device that was known to be authorized to be logged into the PokerGFX server, and never ever ever log directly into it with the cheating device (the crotch phone).

JFK looks like he's lawyered up judging from his scorched Earth policy towards his social media, and I'll bet that extends to his personal laptop etc.

What you are saying isn't false but it is incomplete.

The Gaming commission is historically extremely toothless about this particular type of thing. As far as I know, no card club in modern California history has ever lost its license for permitting player cheating. The commission will definitely regulate things such as cardroom ownership and spreading illegal games, but it's has simply never performed its purported consumer protection function at anything close to the level it needs to be performed.

I think the desires of the industry and the commission are basically congruent on this thing. The last thing the commission wants to do is to get involved in regulating player cheating in poker games if they can avoid it. And the last thing the cardrooms want is for the commission to get involved in that.

Everyone forgot about this cheating scandal where Ali Tekintamgac owned players in several tournaments by getting signals about opponents cards from so called reporters https://www.pokernews.com/news/2010/...media-9319.htm

This is getting rediculous. You can do with your personal YouTube and FaceBook pages whatever you want. And there certainly isn’t a requirement to keep them public.

Being lawyered up means the authorities are going to get his laptop (assuming they seek it and have a legal basis to get it), not that they aren't.

The first thing any lawyer tells a client in potential trouble is "don't destroy anything that might be evidence".

And even if I were to credit the assumption (way too casually flung around here) that all sorts of evidence was destroyed, it's actually hard to destroy evidence without a digital trace. There's all sorts of potential records out there of what might have been happening on that phone- not just the phone itself.

That sounds like incredibly painstaking research and thank you for your time. I wanted to add that I think he uses that little black suspect bracelet as well and that when he uses this it is actually his real keys on the table. Also of note I have observed four different keyfobs. One in the middle of jaman burtons blog avoid mike Postle where jaman takes a pic of his big stack is a clear picture of what I believe are his authentic Infiniti keys. I have noticed three other kinds of keyfobs dating back the past ten months when we are lucky enough to get closeups.