He's innocent, calling it now. None of his plays are that suspicious, just a good feel player with a loose style. Notice how a lot of his bluffs are on paired boards? Pretty standard stuff for a live pro. I wouldnt expect a player who reads 2+2 to understand this tho.

Who is the inside man? And where does Clive Owen fit in the conspiracy? We may never know.

I haven't check the video but this is very important because it is assumed he started cheating August 22nd 2018 and not earlier. All 2 plus 2 investigators get on this now!! I copied vid below.

Also this is a stream where he is sitting in seat 1. I need you guys to dissect this full video below.

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=12058

yea bro that's why he just ch/c a boat or calls 1/4 pot on riv with nutflush vs a fish. All those plays make sense right? Watch more hands of him and then come back.

couple of thoughts from a random lurker:

1. No one is playing anyone HU and no one should waste time on the idea. If Postle gets owned it doesn't prove anything and if he wins it also doesn't prove anything, but would provide 'evidence' that he's legit to his defenders/dumb people.

2. Digging into whether Postle was a good online player in the 2000s is a meaningless derail. It doesn't matter. We have hundreds of hours of evidence over the course of a year of blatant cheating. There is no level of poker ability that could possibly explain it away, so why bother. To me, trying to verify whether he is or was a great player is implicitly accepting the idea that what he's done on these streams is possible (i.e. possible while not cheating), which it isn't.

3. I think a lot of the talk about the commentators is unfair and dumb. People getting into illuminati/qanon territory of finding secret codes and hidden messages in everything they say, that shows everyone was in on it. Like, everyone has made jokes about a great player or a guy on a heater being a superuser or able to see through the cards or whatever - it doesn't mean anything but it seems shocking because in this case, he actually could. Having read every post in this thread and watched several of Joey's videos, I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think anyone is suspect except Postle, Justin and Taylor. You have to keep in mind that you're seeing lowlights of the most egregious hands from a year's worth of cheating. I don't think any commentator (Justin and Taylor excluded) did anything wrong except be annoying, kind of stupid, and not great at poker, none of which are crimes.


I think it would be more useful for the community to stop pulling random speculations out of our collective ass, and if you want to do something helpful then dig in to the old sessions that haven't been covered: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290

Those are all the sessions, pick one and go digging. There's definitely a lot more to find in here.

Also, it would be great to have a google doc or something that has all the most suspicious hands, with timestamped links to the vids, for easy access/reference. Perhaps split into hands that are particularly suspicious poker-wise (86o bluff, KK fold, QT fold, 88 call etc) and the ones that are suspicious behaviour-wise (rubbing the head, knowing when the RFID hasn't read cards, saying 'you scared me' to the guy with 64s etc). Would be happy to help contribute to something like that.

Is it odd to have four different keyfobs in ten months? Because I’ve observed four unique keyfobs

I don’t consider that suspicious. In my case, I have taken 2 different motorcycles and two different cars to the same casino.

Now, if there’s something about the key fobs, maybe. But a lot of the pictures show the key fobs on the rail but behind the stack. This means it would be hard for a camera to read the cards. And it wouldn’t work well for RFID due to RFID design.

This hand I want you to see how Mike waits for all cards to be dealt, then glances to peal his cards but you can see how he also glances down between his legs where his phone is at the same time. Its a rare glimpse because he normally isn't in seat 1 and we normally don't get that camera angle. Also this stream Mike didn't get too greedy, you can tell he was ok giving a couple small pots away. But anyway take a look


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWP...utu.be&t=12058

04:21:55

Edit: If the video takes you to hour 3 sorry. Use the time stamp above thanks.

Reddit post pinpointing the exact moment Mike starts cheating: https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...first_cheated/

Great find here. I had seen enough after about 15 minutes of Joey's first video, but this is egregious and damning. When do we say, "that's enough proof."?

I am not a tech savvy guy (heh...), neither am I a cap guy but could it be possible that there is something in this hat?

I'm normally a pretty good lip reader but couldn't make much of it, except I instantly thought the beginning of the sentence was "55".

I then kept wondering what 55 could mean, but then it occured to me that it was probably "seat 5", which is the lawyer guy if I'm not mistaken?

Either way, very hard to lipread such shitty quality footage.

I know it’s crazy! If only we had hundreds of recorded hands of him doing super shady stuff and playing perfect poker, every, single, big, pot...

If this was true the thread would be 50 posts long and locked by now not approaching 5000.

24:30 We can see mike phone turn on with a big blue screen as he gets up. Does that all blue screen mean anything with regards to obs, the stream setup, the live feed, or etc....?

Because it clearly isn't a regular homescreen. Could the all blue be the background to the software that shows the hole cards? Anyone zoom in on that blue screen, it almost looks like a line of text towards the top? I need you 2 plus 2 detectives to zoom in and .25 speed that video frame by frame LETS GO. 24:30

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=1461

This is the best frame of it:

Do more research, When I first heard of him I just thought he was a fish running hot and everyone was just overreacting. When you look at the video/mathematical evidence "joey has done an amazing job with the video evidence", here is analogy im going to use, it's not a great analogy but it's something.

Imagine if someone came up to you and said your AAces are going to lose the next 30 times in a row HU, obviously you would be wary because mathematically you should win around 85% of the time right? Well this is kind of what happens with mike, he will bluff in these scenerios and be consistently correct, not just HU but even 3 way or 4 way, he makes these amazing plays where he is right at such an extreme mathematical degree, forget even about his VPIP of 60%+ 900bb/100 300 hours at 1/3, forget even how unmathematically likely that even is, just literally watch him play, he will also get frustrated on the turn/river when a dead card hits the board, he knows when his oppenents are hitting when he should not be wary at all.

So does Mike think this will just blow over?

Also congrats you were winner in 2005 not sure why that matters.

This thread keeps on giving.

By the way that they’ve had people in the booth, like Postle for example, who are playing on the table at the same time.

People need to stop throwing out these red herrings and filling the thread with noise.

I think hes almost certainly a troll.

Very interesting thread just popped up on Reddit - would encourage everyone to check it out. Provides precise timelines of when Mike started cheating...

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...first_cheated/

Really? I've played live probably 15 years before I really spent any time with online poker sites/forums and I have never seen this innate ability before. I started at $1/2 and play up to $10/20 regularly with the rare high stakes thrown in.

What is pretty standard stuff is players, even perennial winners, lose big pots, and get caught on bluffs. I've also never seen someone jam rivers with 100% success. What is standard is regd picking up on someone jamming constantly in that position and calling now and then.

"I wouldn't expect a player who reads 2+2 to understand that" is actually the dumbest part of your entire clueless post. It's even a weak troll if that was the goal.

Absolutely amazing can I copy the text here just for us to have a beautiful copy of that info?

This is how I know mike is full of ****, had I ran this good and was not cheating I would not be suprised at all of people accusing me of cheating, if I was in mikes spot I would understand why people are accusing me.

If mike was smart he would just simply say "I understand why people are accusing of me of cheating, but I just simply ran extremely good", mike does not take this approach, mike takes the approach of trying to explain his play with answers like "tell theory", TELL THEORY?!?! at live 1/3, bluffing 3way/4way at 1/3 ?!?! He thinks by trying to explain his play it will show his innocence, but to any winning player these answers just make him more suspicious.