So the guy at the centre of an investigation had no idea he was being investigated? Seems legit.

All future *streamed games should have no electronic / metal devices allowed at the table. IDC if you're a chinese business man VIP, your key fob and phone aren't allowed at the table.

Yes, that means leaving your cell phone in a basket 10 feet from the table and only being able to check it when you're not in a hand.

You have to be wanded head (hat) to toe (shoes) before you can sit down and play, whether that's wsop, pokergo, stoneslive, etc, clearly the technology to cheat is out there, and will only get better.

Not only get better, but more people will be interested in trying now.

Cell phone use at the table has always been a horrible idea. You could easily text your buddy across the table and tell him your cards, so at the very least he could use those cards as removal.

Also, I would get rid of RFID cards and stick to old fashioned hole card cams.

And they say poker is dead.

This is a cool hand and, incidentally, Mike has his keys on the rail even back in the day, when he was just another normal player, joking around and dragging the occasional pot.

If this is what he’s insinuating he’s an idiot. Calling cards happens lol


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I was thinking about the supposed rfid error in the 86o versus 96 hand. There should be a pretty easy way to detect whether the 86o was in fact being misread as 89. According to Berkey and Feldman the only way this could occur is if the cards themselves were assigned incongruous codes. So in principle we can go back over all the footage for that night and check whether the 8 or 9 appeared in any video footage from that night. If those cards appear on the board, we can check if they are misread on the graphics. Since the 8 appears on average in 5 out of 52 flop/turn/rivers, it shouldn't take more than 10 showdown hands to find that card. Same for the 9. One of those cards should appear on the flop/turn/river within 5 showdown hands. If Stones is using two decks, we would have to skip over every other showdown hand from the 86o hand. That could take twice the time, but still we shouldn't have to check more than 10 showdown hands.

This would assume that in all probability that Mike Postle had been cheating and measures would have to be taken to avoid this.

****ing keys and future reading. I'm out. It was epic two-three days, now it's getting out of hand.

Yep, because you have to figure if it was so easy for this guy to get away with it for this long, I guarantee you other people have cheated in live streamed games before.

People talk about PIO solvers all the time, but that is basically sooo 2018. 2020 will undoubtedly be the year of RFID solvers.

If you know they both have AK Isn't that correct with just about any hand if they both get their money in?

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One more Message from Postle that I received today.

There's a much simpler solution, which I think we'll see implemented: The RFID readers are moved from where you put your hole-cards, to next to where you put your holecards. When you fold or the hand is over, you put your hand on the reader. Boom; no one can know what you have mid-hand even with an inside man. The best you could get is card-removal from the folded hands, which likely isn't incentive enough to bother.

Yeah, it's heading off the rails now.

If he's cheating (and it looks like it), it's simple. He's getting fed hole card info via his phone/audio in his hat and using that to make improbable, yet highly profitable plays.

No keys, no phones reading cards or any other James Bond-esque ****.

I have watched about 6 hours of Joey's vids, the polk/Joey vid from today, and read the first 2100 posts here, so I'm glad there's no shade on me.

It just sounded to me as though Loctus had info in the DEFINITIVE way he stated some particulars from a way-earlier post. Just was looking for confirmation/denial. Thanks for not going all 2+2 on me....I may have only 30 posts but am no newbie.


Presto to All.

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If he plays on LATB, it'll be the biggest stream of all time. Make it happen!

Get Gman, Andy, Art & Bart Hanson in the game for the lulz.

My guess is that makes the live feed a lot harder to stitch together - because you first make the feed (with camera switches to the player acting) then you have to go back and add the graphics later. But it probably is the safest way.

I was fully on board with this, and even attacked people who kept mentioning key fobs or knowing future streets. But it just fits so precisely with him running massively over AIEV - together with the keyring device reading the top cards off the deck into his headphones

That seven on the turn apparently scared him so much that he went and bought a card-reader for the turn and river. What a mad man.

Justin has locked his Twitter account now.

Followers can still see his tweets tho.

Really surprised the streams are still up, especially now they have a legal team on board. Joey said that they have all been downloaded now tho.

The commentary is great in that one.

"It's as if they're playing face up."

It actually would be a software change and completely automated. They can comment on delay so by the time they see the hands to comment on the hole cards would be filled in for the graphics, same as they are today.

I'm not on board.

A lot of those AI scenarios, he's ahead (because he has hole card info) and even when he's not, he knows he has equity (because he has hold card info) AND they're running it twice to smooth out the variance.

An explanation of how it was possibly done:

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...ing_explained/

So just to be clear - the cards in that video are specially marked (7:30) along the edge of the cards - which the device reads with a camera. That comes as part of the package with the device. The device does not work without specially marked cards.

Presumably someone would have to sneak those marked cards into the Stones rotation. But also they would have to be RFID cards?

Forgive me if this was already mentioned.