This is sick.

Watching Joey's stream and been listening to Justin Kuraitis basically give Postle a rimjob for 30 mins.

Then this hand happens at 3hour 41 minutes where Postle holds v an OESD for a $!0.7k pot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUMt--bML6o&t=2059s

LOOK AT HIS FACE AFTER THE HAND. HE IS SO HAPPY. HE KNOWS THIS POT WAS WORTH A COUPLE OF THOUSAND TO HIM AND HE'S LAUGHING AT HIS CUSTOMERS ON STREAM.

That man is the devil.

For what it’s worth, I’ve played many hours at Stones and gotten to know the dealers. I once asked about a blowup Postle had when someone questioned one of his plays. The dealer said that Postle HATES it when someone calls him out on a bad play and loses his temper.

What does this mean? Not much, but could indicate he knows he can’t defend his play, which is clear when he’s in the booth and sounds like an idiot.

Honestly I hope Justin gets what’s coming even more than postle. Postle is scum of scrum but clearly he’s not the mastermind. He’s dumb as **** actually. Everything else points to Justin. That smug prick


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I’m a plaintiff’s attorney in California, and while I would take this case based on the info to date, I also agree with others that a lot of the stats and poker will go over a jury’s head. Discovery will (of course) be critical.

Someone needs to post the to r/legaladvice to help everyone involved. I haven't got enough of the cliffs or good enough to break it down.

Legal advice for those that were involved and to see what could be done to the god

I don’t fully disagree. But we haven’t even scratched the surface. I think you could get several experts to testify that this is not statistically possibly without cheating, and juries can understand that very well, even if they don’t fully understand the reasons why.

You should make some contacts and do your thing for poker.

I can tell you this. If i was in your position and I cared about the game and let's say justice I would be lobbying with everything I had
to get this thing looked at in the proper jurisdiction.

If it's does not make sense for you to do this that's fine but it would sure be good if you could at least take a shot at trying to get something done.

I remember back in the day a group I was very well associated with was giving that asshat Iovation computer guy (Greg Pierson) from Ultimate Bet an award in Seattle and I lobbied their office to not do this and informed them of all the incriminating information that was out there about him.

Law talking guys,

What kind of criteria would need to be met to successfully sue Stones, rather than just Mike and Justin?

No way a court trial would be good for poker. Would be good for our collective justice boners though, but every grandma on facebook is gonna be like "I told you that gambling is no good! bunch of liars and cheats!"

Full under hat bill camera shot at around 37:16 - https://youtu.be/xUMt--bML6o?t=2236

Wow, looks like you can see something. Pretty clear even with out this he has **** in his hat.. Also not surprising but Mike and Justin are radio silent all day today.. assuming talking to lawyers or just trying to hide trail

Going over the session in June that Apostle lost in - the session he didn't run like a god during the summer.

I don't care what grandma's or anyone else thinks about poker. I want this guys balls on a hook if he did this. The worst thing that can happen is people getting away with this kind of stuff.

Completely agree. Big picture things like the potripper graph would be much more effective than trying to convince a jury that betting into two players with 76o in a bomb pot is nonsensical.

I honestly think there's enough here already for a lawsuit against Stones, especially under California's relatively liberal pleading standards. At a minimum, Stones wasn't following its own policy of not allowing phones at the table or taking any other measures to prevent this type of cheating. This would likely support any negligence-based theory.

However, the extremely shady RFID issues, having his brother commentate, completely turning a blind eye to his outrageous win sessions, and other evidence would likely support fraud-based intentional torts as well, at least at the pleading stage.

The problem is that compensatory damages are relatively low per aggrieved player, but the fraud-based actions would open up potentially additional remedies.

The proper lawyer answer would be; it depends! All kidding aside, in a civil suit, you have to establish Stones caused you harm and/or loss. Now, that said, Stones hiring an employee that punched you in the face and broke your jaw, generally you can't go after the employer if the employee did you harm. In other words, was the employee acting in his/her own capacity, or was he/she doing it in their official capacity (i.e. doing it for Stones). A hotel employee that steals your wallet from your room goes to jail, the Hilton doesn't go to jail. Now, was Stones somehow negligent in hiring this person. I don't know. So although it's a longstanding joke, but lawyers often say "it depends" because most legal questions are more complicated than "if this then that."

He may be wrong here. Why cant the RFID reader pick up a better/another read and report as such? After initially getting a faulty read, the cards are better positioned to be picked up a few seconds later and the graphic corrects itself.

Not a lawyer but I'd think there's a very strong case against Stones, especially with an employee warning them about it and them ignoring the warning.

To an extent, I kind of agree.

So justin wanted the room to grow so he promotes and helps cheat with a player in the room? Im just not buying it. Doesnt make much logical sense to me, too much risk involved. I mean its possible if he is getting a big cut. How would Justin consistently relay info to Postle? Surely he has other responsibilities while working.

I think its more of a lone wolf cheat imo.

Well done to the guys who are downloading the archived videos.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they delete/restrict the account soon so yeah I'd suggest the lawyers/players/Joey/Doug download as many as they can.

How much evidence of employee involvement is needed to get the gaming commission to send in it's goon squad? Why are civil suits needed when there is a regulatory body in place that can levy fines and settlements?

Greed or urgent financial need can take over. There have been poker room managers fired for taking part in rigging a bad beat payout.

Did anybody check if he made any final tables that were streamed? Some of Stones tournaments get pretty big prize pools so curious if any happened while the scam was going on.

I think getting a mathematician/statistics poker player like Bill Chen or Liv Boeree as an expert witness could be helpful. But there would need to be more than just hand histories, which I think there is a lot more evidence than that that has been uncovered by people on yt, 2plus2 and twitter. Much more could be discovered by an actual lawyer that can travel onsite. I'm just worried about Justin spearheading the investigation, there is a clear conflict of interest so he shouldn't be involved at all and should be sent on vacation with a third party handling everything.

I think in the short run, it would be bad for poker, but good in the long run. Small livestreams have been great for poker, but there are major liabilities and concerns with the technology being used so this is a great wakeup call. Plus, these people belong in jail, and putting them behind bars would send a message to all those who cheat/scam.

Regarding Justin's responsibilities I can't say for certain, but I work on production sets and there are several positions that often are just "there". Particularly Production management or leads. Once they have everything in place they more or less are just monitoring to make sure things go well.

Maybe he has other cardroom duties but I think its highly possible he has liberal free time and discretion to pull this off.