He's definitely reading every post and trying to get whomever he can like Feldman to refute everything.

I also agree that Mike should be here. But, in my opinion, for this to work he needs to be treated in a polite and professional manner.

Mason

would you please explain why you are of this opinion? if he's so innocent he'd already be ITT posting under his real name instead of playing guessing games on twitter as to who OP is.

it's on him to dispute the allegations and doing so is in HIS best interest. he should WANT to be involved ITT and we needn't give him red carpet treatment if he chooses to do so. when you scam, continuously lie, cheat or steal, you've waivered your rights to be treated with respect. what's with the poker community and their affinity for scumbags?

the longer he waits to engage the thread, the more obvious it is he has things he would rather not discuss. politely or otherwise.

they came to an agreement bc MM is a scumbag who wasn't going to pay the bet off so Forrest figured it's better to take something than nothing.

I agree.

I agree

This is just my opinion. But I think if he's treated in a polite and professional manner, you're more likely to get good detailed answers.

I agree with this as well, except that in this case you're convicting him before you've heard his side of the story. The fact that you wrote this shows possible bias on your part.

I'm not so sure about this. Mike may feel that he won't be treated fairly here. Perhaps posters in this thread should go to twitter, ask him to come on, and assure him that he will be treated in the proper manner.

Best wishes,
Mason

All of this may be true. But Mike apparently did pay Ted something and Ted accepted the deal (even though he may not have been happy about it). That's very different from a total low life who would claim the bet never existed or had some reason for why he wouldn't pay.

You need to understand that I'm not taking a side here. All I'm doing is looking at the logic of the arguments.

Mason

Being a little bit nicer towards someone with overt mental issues really shouldn't take any reasoning to get there.

in the quote in rickroll's post he admitted himself that he was trying to freeroll ted so i've already heard enough to label him a scammer.

you agreed with this:
so i'd say you've already convicted him as well then.

MIke's the kind of guy who would justify anything in his head afterwards anyways.

He told Phil he folded a flush during a hand to help Phil make the correct decision.

You ask him to explain that, he would just say Phil made the wrong decision so whats the big deal..

But no this is cheating.

He knows better than to say that during a hand he's played poker forever.
So if he can't admit that he cheated and was wrong during that, which is televised and out for
all to see, I'm not sure he would not do the same with everything else.

You've been around for years and still don't realize there's a "report a post" button?

I highly doubt any mod steps into a train wreck of a thread like this one without getting a post notification.

Mike Matusow helped soooo many people when he had money. Always was generous, donated to charities, functions, whatevs was going on, count on Mike to participate or if he couldn’t, he would send money.
How come no mention of those good deeds?

that doesn't cancel out any of the scumbag things he's done

and nobody is denying that he's been a true bro at times

this is like if the best man sleeps with the bride at the wedding and when caught he's like "but bro think of all the times I was there for you that led to me being your best man in the first place"

Let's not forget the many acts of generosity to basically everybody he ever played online.

Seriously though, Mikey is obviously a douchebag for freerolling Ted Forrest on that huge bet, but let's just say that Ted basically did nothing to avoid that risk.

I mean, he could have tried to get Howard involved, eg if Mikey loses and doesn't pay up, Full Tilt cuts the payments by 50% and makes Ted a red pro for the other half + obviously no bet if the money isn't guaranteed in some way.

Now this may sound strange, but just for context and IIRC I read a story about some other degen (Benyamine?) who owed some higher up within Full Tilt money and was made a red pro on $500,000 per year (lol) so FTP basically paid off (this minor part of) his debts.

I hope this is a troll as that logic is so flawed

I did the spreadsheet on Mike awhile back. I feel pretty confident in saying Mike is breakeven at worst case maybe a slight loser, but is probably in the + side in 2021,2019. We don't know rebuy numbers at the WSOP, but I had Mike up $12.7k at this years WSOP. In 2019 he was on the + side for around $128k at the WSOP.

Now I haven't done a super deep dive in his other tournaments, but I know he doesn't play much outside of WSOP, maybe a little in Florida/LA. For as chirpy as Mike has been in the last 3 years, I'd feel pretty safe to assume he's carved out a profitable way to make money in poker.

Mike had to have known how hard Ted was going to work to win this bet. I like how in the article Huck basically said Mike was getting hustled. "Mike only had the one bet where he went from 241 to 181. When you have more muscle like Ted, a former athlete who's used to working out a lot, it's a lot easier. From my perspective, it was so hard for Mike to get 241 to 181, he couldn't fathom continuing. Mike thought Ted's body would shut down, which I thought was a ridiculous statement. The hard part was losing weight while playing the WSOP. It's hard to lose weight when you're sitting and playing poker all day."

Mike did Ted dirty by slow paying him and when FTP went under made some BS deal or just straight up stopped paying.

https://www.pocketfives.com/articles...**-bet-590021/

wow i forgot this scumbag MM had won a weight loss bet with Ted paid him on first.
What a lowlife.

Yeah just makes it all the worse. Total grade A scum.

everything in bold is absolutely asinine.

still no big heart pumping piss and vinegar into the thread. i wonder why!?

My button is disabled

Mike's lucky the wrong guy didn't loan him that much money, Ted Forrest seems not to be the typical loan shark.

Unfortunately my experiences using that button has accomplished nothing. The posts reported never got taken down. I think over the past 2 years I've used it 3 times and nothing was done. So why would I use it again?

Maybe you should start reporting posts that are worth taking down? Somebody else reported that one here and it got removed.

Lol it’s all subjective brah

In this thread: A bunch of degenerate gamblers pointing fingers at another degenerate gambler in order to make them feel better about being degenerate gamblers.