Matusow/Helmuth 2024 Presidential Election

The reason you would want to do this is that you're constantly attacking Matusow. This must be important to you or else you wouldn't bother to go to all the effort. So, it seems to me that you would want your information as complete as possible to make sure your attacks, if they are still appropriate, are as accurate as possible.

By the way, is his positiveness towards Trump and your negativeness towards Trump the real reason you hate him? And what does that have to do with something like borrowing money and not paying back?

Mason

I'm not attacking him at all. Is it not true he welched on bets and owes money and scammed people and is a convicted felon? Is it not true he thinks the insurrection was a patriotic act and is a conspiracy theorist? Those are facts Mason. I have never mentioned the man I don't believe since I have been a member here until this thread.

He is a known liar and scammer and welcher and conspiracy theorist. What I get upset about are people like Ryan Feldman who lie and claim he doesn't owe anyone and everything mentioned in this thread is not true. It does a disservice to the poker community.

When you say "Is it not true he welched on bets and owes money and scammed people" that's being very vague. As for his being a convicted felon, that's public record and you can look it up yourself for the specifics. And who cares if he's a conspiracy theorist, what does that have to do with owing money and not paying back or coming to some agreement with who he owes money to.

I've been a public figure on the poker/Internet for a long time and have read a lot of stuff about myself that wasn't true. And someone, perhaps like yourself, shouldn't run with something when you don't know all the facts. Let me give an example.

Years ago someone violated the copyright of a couple of our books by posting them on the Internet. We sued the person under who the offending website was registered to and won in court. But it turned out that the website was actually registered by a different person under a name that was not his but supposedly a friend of his who was seriously handicapped. Of course, I read a number of articles about how we were going after a handicapped person who had nothing to do with the offending website. And while it took some time, our attorney got it all straightened out and the true offender did make a payment to us. But I never read anything about how this issue was fairly resolved.

So again, it seems to me that if you would approach Mike Matusow in a polite and professional way, you would get an answer that might explain some things to you that you don't know. Of course, this doesn't mean you have to believe the answers, but it would certainly go a long way towards your credibility as a person of integrity.

Mason

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I hear you Mason but I really don't want to be charmed by Mike at this point. It's not like the man has been known as a stand up honest guy in the poker community and then there is some random accusation or something. That would be different. You'd want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But there are way too many stories and accusations against him over years and years. That makes me and I think many others not hold the man in high regard. Especially for someone like me who has worked his ass off my whole life, give back to the community by volunteering, not committing crimes. So it's hard to see yet another privileged guy not even realize how fortunate he had it. Getting 80k a month from a poker site for years and somehow he still welches on bets and owes money and it just makes me sick honestly.

as others have questioned: how would it be possible to ruin someone's reputation when it's been **** for decades? look at the responses to the quoted thread. nobody is actually shocked, that is irony, fyi. i've never had any interactions with mikey but for as long as i've been a part of the poker community i've been under the impression that he's not someone i would trust further than i could throw him... and that's not very far, fyi. why? because his reputation has been that he's a welcher and a scammer for a very long time. i'd like to think it's justified.

superb.

wait, you were suing matt sklansky?

Balla:

I think you're too smart to be charmed by anyone.

There is, however, something that you may not be considering, and I know this from personal experience. When you're successful, there are people who will take shots at you, and I'm sure this has happened to Matusow.

For instance, you seem to object to Matusow making lots of money from Full Tilt (even though I suspect that $80,000 a month is probably too high). But that's not his fault. Yes it may be true that Full Tilt over paid him, but even if Mike knew that, he didn't do anything wrong by accepting it.

Also, once he was paid, isn't t his money to do with whatever he wants, and this includes blowing it in some manner (or perhaps putting it in a fireplace to see if it will burn). And again, when you say "he still welches on bets and owes money" you're again not being specific. What bets, how much, was an agreement come to relative to payment. I don't think you know any of these things, and I don't either.

Mason

He definitely welched on the ted forest weight loss bet.

I also heard from a reliable source that after Full Tilt shut down he "borrowed" lots of money from a few poker pros telling them he's going to get a big amount from them soon and he's good for it, knowing full well there was no more money. He's pure scum.

And I'm not saying he didn't. But did Mike and Ted come to an agreement as to how this should be handled. I've never seen anything there.

Mason

Ted had no choice but to accept. It was pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. Total bullshit.

And I heard many times , and even saw it printed on this website, that the royalty rates I claimed to be paying our authors were no where close to the truth. But then one day Doyle had a conversation with Dan Harrington and discovered I was telling the truth, and the accusations stopped.

And maybe, assuming your story is accurate, Matusow thought money would be coming from Full Tilt when it never came. The few poker pros, at that time, should have had the same information that Mike had and probably assumed he was good for it. This doesn't sound like deception to me. Also, if you wanted to argue that Matusow has poor business sense and this is your example, I wouldn't be writing this.

Mason

Ted was not happy with the settlement but did agree to settle for 50k out of the two million he was owed if I remember correctly. I mean Ted was the one saying these things so obviously he wasn't incredibly happy with what transpired. I think calling him a scammer and thief is a bit excessive but he definitely is delusional/naïve and it caused him to handle some business transactions in a way that has hurt the opposite party.

Anybody got any good evidence that Mike is currently doing anything shitty? OP certainly doesn't. Thread should be deleted IMO.

Hi smooth:

I didn't know this, and assuming you're correct, I can understand why Ted would be unhappy. But the point here, again assuming this is accurate, is that a settlement was made. Normally, a whelcher not only does not pay but will usually deny that he owes anything.

There was a famous weight bet, among some well known poker players, made back in the mid-1980s. I don't want to mention any names since it was so long ago, but supposedly one very well known player who had gone broke didn't show up for the weigh-in knowing that he would lose.

Best wishes,
Mason

ya I mean there's more to the story Ted went broke so took what he could and Mike had a lot of money coming in from FTP which stopped right at the same time so obviously was not in the same financial situation. Like I said I don't think he's ever made a bet with the intention of not paying which is usually the definition of a whelcher but has done some very dumb things in his life and other people have suffered for it.

Yeah, ...... but would he say hello to your wife, if you asked him to ?

Oh haha that's soooo funny. I would just love to meet you in person David. Tell you what, next time my wife and I are planning on coming down to Las Vegas we can set up an appointment you and me.

Hi smooth:

This is the way I understand it. In fact, Mike says that he has made a lot of mistakes and claims to have learned from them. He was probably foolish at times but I don't believe malicious. But again, there's a lot I don't know.

Best wishes,
Mason

mike has a huge heart so i think we should all forgive him. his heart is really big.

And when you meet with David, tell him he owes me (and Mat) a lunch.

Mason

lots of weird revisionist history going on

only thing odd about this thread is it's just rehashing old news, but apparently that's necessary since so many people are in denial about what literally took place and in a very well documented manner

https://www.espn.com/espn/poker/colu...ary&id=5449689

Mike's own words to ESPN back in 2010

he made the bet without any ability to actually pay it, only doing it because he viewed it as a free money

none of this includes the other debts as the forrest thing is as others have mentioned is now considered free and clear

worst part about scamming forrest is that he basically put aside all other things for a year in order to make winning the bet his sole work and focus so it's not like you agree to pay me some money next month and then welch on it, it's that I work for an entire year and for a deferred salary and then you say "oops"

if mike had any decency he would have bet an amount he could plausibly pay off or at least broke the news to ted that he couldn't pay and negotiated out of it - instead he just waited hoping ted would fail - it was a total scumbag freeroll move, something he's admitted himself

he put someone in what he thought was a life threatening situation, he even joked that it was 50/50 ted would die soon as a result so he wouldn't have to pay anyway, all for a freeroll that he knew he could never possibly pay out if he lost - he's a total worthless scumbag

the internet is written not in pencil but with chisel and stone

he may be a good friend etc etc and i agree the people mentioning his 80k are doing more harm than good because that's totally irrelevant but Mike's past as straight up scammer and welcher are undeniable

good post as usual rick.

i think it's about time for mike to officially enter the thread to defend himself if he's so worried about his reputation being tarnished. whining about it on twitter and accusing others of starting the thread isn't going to do much for him.

this of course won't happen because hasn't much of a defense.