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10-04-2020 , 03:52 PM
PokerNews and Bravo were advertising the "Midway Poker Tour", which is supposed to be the inaugural event for what will be an ongoing series. It was advertised as a $1,100 tournament with $100k guaranteed. They said $100 is being taken out for rake and $20 goes to the dealers, with $980 going to the prize pool. The event is being held at the Sheraton Hotel in Elk Grove, Illinois. Even though it's listed as a "charity event", I figured that's pretty reasonable rake so I decided to play it.

I show up on Saturday to register, and they tell me I need to enter my PokerBros player ID, and if I don't have pokerbros I'll need to download the app and create an account and they'll also send me some free money to load my account. Uhh, ok already shadiness with them giving me their sales pitch for their PokerBros affiliate account. I signed up for PokerBros, and then entered the tournament with $1,100 cash.

So I make day 2 of the tournament and come back Sunday morning for day 2. They had some fail with not having enough chips and delayed the start time by 30 minutes. I start hearing people in the hallway talk about how they're going to pay people out in gold. ???? I think it's obviously ridiculous as it wasn't mentioned anywhere, either when signing up or in the advertisements or on PokerNews, which is reporting on the event. Pokernews listed all the prizes as USD.

Before the tournament starts, the tournament director starts talking and says "apparently some people are just finding this out" but per Illinois charity gaming regulations we can only pay out $1,600 in cash. Anything above that will be given out in precious metals. Apparently they bought a bunch of precious metals from some guy and were planning on having him onsite to immediately convert the precious metals to cash, but then the attorney general found out about this and said they absolutely cannot convert the precious metals on site as it would be illegal. I got the impression that the Attorney General was not happy with the event overall. They also informed us that they would give us the contact info for the precious metals guy and we could contact him to sell the metals. But of course I have to assume he's taking some sort of commission, so now we're paying additional rake that wasn't advertised. I got some info from the staff working the event and they informed me that the TD they hired for the event opted not to come back for Day 2 because of the situation, and the owner/founder of the tour, Dan Bekavac, has not been on-site for 24 hours. He's essentially disappeared.

So I ended up busting pretty early on and got what they call a "$2,600 cash". So they pay me out $1,600 in cash (in $20s for some reason), and give me 28 1oz silver coins, which they tell me is worth $1,000. As I'm leaving the hotel, the guy who was in the cashout line in front of me is telling me how the coins are only worth $700. So we're being shorted 30%?? I looked up the price of silver and it's $24/oz. I assume I can sell these coins for around $25, which would be $700. So they're stealing $300 from me, which isn't the biggest deal but that means everybody is taking a big cut. First place prize is listed as $55,060, of which over $53k will be paid out in gold. If they undercut the price of that by 30%, they're ripping off the winner by over $15k. If they chop off 30% of the prizepool they're taking out an additional $65k+ on top of the rake they took. They gave out contact info for the precious metals dealer that they obtained the coins from. I reached out to him and he hasn't contacted me back (though it's only been a few hours), but I can't imagine he'd pay 45% over the spot price. I also googled all his contact info and he's nowhere to be found on the internet, even though they supposedly bought $210k worth of metals from this guy.

The whole tournament is filled with shadiness, and I would not recommend people play this event in the future. Had I known we were going to be paid out in silver and gold I would not have entered the tournament to begin with. Yes I still made money and only got shorted a few hundred, but that's not the issue here. They should have been upfront about how they're doing cashouts, but if they did that a lot of people would've not bothered to play. If the winner of the tournament gets shorted a five figure amount, it may be wise for him to explore a class action suit.


Edit: At the beginning of Day 2, PokerNews posted the following. It appears they weren't aware of the precious metals angle either until Day 2. Here is what they posted on the matter:

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Day 2 hasn't officially kicked off yet and already there have developments in the inaugural Midway Poker Tour.All 31 players returning to action today are guaranteed a $2,300 prize, while the eventual winner is slated to receive $55,060. However, due to the Illinois Charitable Gaming Acts and regulations (230 ILCS30), organizers are only able to pay out $500 in cash atop the cost of the buy-in. As such, players will only receive $1,600 in cash no matter their finish, while the remainder of their prize will be awarded in gold/precious metals/collectibles.Apparently, not all players had been aware of that fact. Tournament officials just informed the players that they have contact information for someone off-site willing to buy said gold/precious metals/collectibles if players are interested in selling after the fact.The payouts are a topic of conversation among the seated players, many of whom seem to be unhappy with the situation and the fact the payout situation wasn't more clearly explained prior to the tournament

Last edited by lsjfklds; 10-04-2020 at 04:05 PM.
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10-04-2020 , 03:56 PM
I also want to emphasize that I spoke with Chad Halloway, and he relayed to me that PokerNews was simply hired to report on the event and was not privy to the cashout situation. I believe they were also blindsided by this and did not purposefully deceive anybody.
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10-04-2020 , 04:04 PM
Was that a question? Or what is the question
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10-04-2020 , 04:09 PM
You should get those metals tested immediately. Sounds shady and wouldn’t be surprised if the tournament directors didn’t due their due diligence and possibly bought fake coins/bars
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10-04-2020 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Just_Raking
Was that a question? Or what is the question
Well I can say I was shorted by 30% in my cashout and I know everybody else in my pay group was as well. I can't say for certain that the final tablist will get shorted by the same %, as I believe they'll get paid in gold, but I would imagine they are also getting shorted by a large amount.

Also, as I was collecting my cashout they were taking pictures of the silver cashout. They said it was so they can prove to the state that they were paying people out. To me it sounded like they were being investigated by the state of Illinois.
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10-04-2020 , 04:14 PM
Lmao how can this be real. Just handing out gold and silver coins instead of cash. So even if you get full value for the coins you would only get 700$? (and let me just break it to you, you won't be able to sell them for full value)

If the price of Silver is X and they owe you $1000 in written out payouts, how can they legally give you $700 worth of silver?
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10-04-2020 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjfklds
They gave out contact info for the precious metals dealer that they obtained the coins from. I reached out to him and he hasn't contacted me back (though it's only been a few hours), but I can't imagine he'd pay 45% over the spot price. I also googled all his contact info and he's nowhere to be found on the internet, even though they supposedly bought $210k worth of metals from this guy.
Everything about this story is super weird, but I'm particularly interested in this silver dealer. Can you share who it is?
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10-04-2020 , 04:18 PM
Also, OP, hold onto those metals for some years if you don’t need the money immediately. Extremely likely you’ll get your 30% and then some.
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10-04-2020 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjfklds
PokerNews and Bravo were advertising the "Midway Poker Tour", which is supposed to be the inaugural event for what will be an ongoing series. It was advertised as a $1,100 tournament with $100k guaranteed. They said $100 is being taken out for rake and $20 goes to the dealers, with $980 going to the prize pool. The event is being held at the Sheraton Hotel in Elk Grove, Illinois. Even though it's listed as a "charity event", I figured that's pretty reasonable rake so I decided to play it.

I show up on Saturday to register, and they tell me I need to enter my PokerBros player ID, and if I don't have pokerbros I'll need to download the app and create an account and they'll also send me some free money to load my account. Uhh, ok already shadiness with them giving me their sales pitch for their PokerBros affiliate account. I signed up for PokerBros, and then entered the tournament with $1,100 cash.

So I make day 2 of the tournament and come back Sunday morning for day 2. They had some fail with not having enough chips and delayed the start time by 30 minutes. I start hearing people in the hallway talk about how they're going to pay people out in gold. ???? I think it's obviously ridiculous as it wasn't mentioned anywhere, either when signing up or in the advertisements or on PokerNews, which is reporting on the event. Pokernews listed all the prizes as USD.

Before the tournament starts, the tournament director starts talking and says "apparently some people are just finding this out" but per Illinois charity gaming regulations we can only pay out $1,600 in cash. Anything above that will be given out in precious metals. Apparently they bought a bunch of precious metals from some guy and were planning on having him onsite to immediately convert the precious metals to cash, but then the attorney general found out about this and said they absolutely cannot convert the precious metals on site as it would be illegal. I got the impression that the Attorney General was not happy with the event overall. They also informed us that they would give us the contact info for the precious metals guy and we could contact him to sell the metals. But of course I have to assume he's taking some sort of commission, so now we're paying additional rake that wasn't advertised. I got some info from the staff working the event and they informed me that the TD they hired for the event opted not to come back for Day 2 because of the situation, and the owner/founder of the tour, Dan Bekavac, has not been on-site for 24 hours. He's essentially disappeared.

So I ended up busting pretty early on and got what they call a "$2,600 cash". So they pay me out $1,600 in cash (in $20s for some reason), and give me 28 1oz silver coins, which they tell me is worth $1,000. As I'm leaving the hotel, the guy who was in the cashout line in front of me is telling me how the coins are only worth $700. So we're being shorted 30%?? I looked up the price of silver and it's $24/oz. I assume I can sell these coins for around $25, which would be $700. So they're stealing $300 from me, which isn't the biggest deal but that means everybody is taking a big cut. First place prize is listed as $55,060, of which over $53k will be paid out in gold. If they undercut the price of that by 30%, they're ripping off the winner by over $15k. If they chop off 30% of the prizepool they're taking out an additional $65k+ on top of the rake they took. They gave out contact info for the precious metals dealer that they obtained the coins from. I reached out to him and he hasn't contacted me back (though it's only been a few hours), but I can't imagine he'd pay 45% over the spot price. I also googled all his contact info and he's nowhere to be found on the internet, even though they supposedly bought $210k worth of metals from this guy.

The whole tournament is filled with shadiness, and I would not recommend people play this event in the future. Had I known we were going to be paid out in silver and gold I would not have entered the tournament to begin with. Yes I still made money and only got shorted a few hundred, but that's not the issue here. They should have been upfront about how they're doing cashouts, but if they did that a lot of people would've not bothered to play. If the winner of the tournament gets shorted a five figure amount, it may be wise for him to explore a class action suit.


Edit: At the beginning of Day 2, PokerNews posted the following. It appears they weren't aware of the precious metals angle either until Day 2. Here is what they posted on the matter:

What kind of silver coins? That actually changes things alot here. Generic stuff you'll get spot for and things like eagles you can get spot+2 or 3 on. Even selling directly to a large retailer online. Still bullshit, especially if its generic.
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10-04-2020 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Couchsock
Also, OP, hold onto those metals for some years if you don’t need the money immediately. Extremely likely you’ll get your 30% and then some.
Only thing worse than a payout in precious metals is a clown giving investment advice in NVG.
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10-04-2020 , 04:33 PM
Silver coins? What year is this, 30 CE?
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10-04-2020 , 04:33 PM
This is ridiculous...
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10-04-2020 , 04:34 PM
Here’s what the coins look like. Some were in a plastic covering like that and some were just the coin with no covering. I haven’t received a quote yet but from googling it looks like we got ripped off.

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10-04-2020 , 04:39 PM
Funny how pokerplayers repeatedly gets——- in the a—e like thisMidway Poker Tour Shadiness. Possibly k+ in precious metals stolen
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10-04-2020 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjfklds
Here’s what the coins look like. Some were in a plastic covering like that and some were just the coin with no covering. I haven’t received a quote yet but from googling it looks like we got ripped off.

And they valued these at 35/oz!? They deserve a lawsuit over this tbh.
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10-04-2020 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Only thing worse than a payout in precious metals is a clown giving investment advice in NVG.
Ok buddy. It’s $700 not life changing money lol. Get a grip. You probably know nothing about precious metals or their role in global currency landscape. All I’m saying is if you own none it wouldn’t be the worst idea to hold onto them. There’s a reason central banks own thousands of tons of gold per country (hint it’s because every fiat currency ever created eventually fails due to greed and all that’s left again is sound money)
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10-04-2020 , 04:48 PM
they probably bought those on aliexpress lol
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10-04-2020 , 04:51 PM
As far as investment advice, sivlers higher than its been in a long time and I wouldn't advise holding, as I recently sold all of mine. I sent you a pm OP.
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10-04-2020 , 05:01 PM
They could've bought them at the peak recently (it's down a bit since then) and
you also need to check if they're even real. If it sticks to a magnet, it's definitely not.

What a giant mess that turned into, dear god glad I didn't play.

Those at best are generic rounds. What people pays vs spot vary a bit but yes, that guy is getting both ends of buying/selling but he's also taking the risk the market tanks before he can get rid of them again.

Last edited by wheatrich; 10-04-2020 at 05:09 PM.
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10-04-2020 , 05:01 PM
From Pokernews, they are now pausing the tournament 10 handed.
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The inaugural Midway Poker Tour event is ending in disaster as details emerge regarding payout process. Payouts combination of small amount of cash & silver coins/gold/etc. to meet Illinois state charity regulations. Player alleges shortage.

With these payout issues coming to light, the tournament has been paused with 10 players remaining. Chip counts are being documented. Players are understandably extremely upset. Tour owner Danny Bekavac has not been on property for 24 hours & not responding to messages.
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10-04-2020 , 05:07 PM
The founder of the event disappeared and is not responding to messages? Very suspicious behavior.
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10-04-2020 , 05:16 PM
Here are two updates (each posted in past 30 minutes) from PokerNews reporter Chad Holloway (mentioned in OP).

https://www.pokernews.com/tours/othe...ips.387205.htm

"The tournament has been paused due to issues regarding payouts. PokerNews is assessing the situation and will report the situation as it happens..."

https://www.pokernews.com/tours/othe...go/main-event/

"The clock is stopped with 32:11 on the clock in Level 22 with the blinds at 10k/20k/20k. Here are the current chip counts as players await on further instruction..."
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EDIT: Here is a direct link to the Midway Poker Tour homepage. The event referenced by the original poster in the thread currently appears on the MPT homepage along with links to the venue's Entertainment, Dining, and Shopping attractions.

http://themidwaypokertour.com/

Event Location
The Sheraton Suites
121 NorthWest Point Boulevard
Elk Grove Village
Illinois, 60007


A separate one-click prompt on the Midway Poker Tour homepage to pre-register for the event informs users that the process can be performed through BTC upon providing one's first & last name, phone number, and email address.
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Last edited by dhubermex; 10-04-2020 at 05:31 PM. Reason: see EDIT
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10-04-2020 , 05:29 PM
I played day 1b as well. I was not asked to set up a Poker Bros account at registration, simply filled out a short form, presented my ID and was issued a player card with an ID number of my choosing. Tournament seemed to be run well, tables were equalized and broke in a timely fashion, many familiar dealers I've seen for years in playing HPT, WSOPC and Horseshoe series.
This is very disappointing to hear, I have been waiting patiently for tournament series to reopen, I could not play the MSPT event in August for family considerations and when I became aware of this event only last Tuesday i immediately made changes to my schedule, it felt great yesterday to get back on the felt!
Now I'm not sure if I should feel bad about my obviously rusty play, as I busted late yesterday, or glad I did not make the money!
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10-04-2020 , 05:32 PM
I wonder if the Illinois attorney general is now looking into their pokerbros club.
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10-04-2020 , 05:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ChadAHolloway/st...71054990282752

Another update from chad, video of the final table players discussing what to do.

per the tweet, no Reps from the Mid Way poker tour are on site? How is that even possible?

Last edited by DrDanimal; 10-04-2020 at 06:08 PM.
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