Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 - Page 19 - Poker News

Wow.

To those of you who think you have to point out that Mike is a degenerate, good for you. Feel better now? I think he and everyone else realizes that.

But you're wrong. He doesn't think he's a degenerate. He believes he's just been unlucky until now. Exposed as a beggar and still brimming with arrogance and excuses.

06-25-2014 , 05:02 PM

#452

ship

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...ammer-1444272/

more pressing instance of *actually successful* scamming...

06-25-2014 , 05:13 PM

#453

JDL

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Mike,

Craps is way better than Paigow, maybe you should change it up and give the dice a shot.

06-25-2014 , 05:17 PM

#454

afwoods

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Best of luck to you Mike. Go home, forget about gambling for awhile, and try and get your life back on track.

You don't need to say to yourself "I am never going to gamble again." you just need to say to yourself, "I am not going to gamble today." and then maybe once you have been away from it long enough, you wont even want to.

06-25-2014 , 05:18 PM

#455

Big Larry

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I don't know why you don't take the 5k and just play 2-5. If you are decent at poker and don't start off running below EV at least you will have a shot at running up a roll. Check into Budget suites for like $250 per week, eat cereal for breakfast and comped casino food for other meals and grind 2-5 all day.

Its a better idea than playing Pai-Gow.

Larry

06-25-2014 , 05:19 PM

#456

mumpfmampf

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I love how the last thread by PSUMike1999 was bascially a complaint about a rip-off artist lol

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

Just an fyi I was at the Rio single table satellite area the other day mid-afternoon wanting to play a couple of satellites. The guy at the podium(older guy in his 60's most likely)wouldn't initially call the request from myself and 3 others for a $525 satellite. We asked him why and he gave some incoherent answer. About 2 minutes later he looks at me and starts singing "Grease is my friend, grease is my friend". I asked him why he was singing that and he told me he made $200 the other night and if I want the $525 to go sooner I need to take care of him.

Someone else told the supervisor but they didn't seem to care. Just giving people a heads up on what to expect at the Rio satellite area - just amazing.

06-25-2014 , 05:22 PM

#457

Dantes

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Originally Posted by mumpfmampf

I love how the last thread by PSUMike1999 was bascially a complaint about a rip-off artist lol

Counterfeiters hate it when you pay them in their own currency.

06-25-2014 , 05:22 PM

#458

beaverslayer

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Mike, what's the most you've won and lost in a pit session?

06-25-2014 , 05:51 PM

#459

FlatTireSuited

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Originally Posted by Monorail

How much difference is there between this guy and Phil Ivey -- an apparent pit degen for the ages -- other than Ivey seems to be a little better at poker?

That "little better" at poker allows him to lose tons of money in the pits and still have plenty left over to support/provide for himself.

"Do I have a gambling problem? I do have a gambling problem, but it's not really a problem because I can afford to gamble." - Charles Barkley

Charles Barkley and Phil Ivey have a gambling problem that hasn't ruined them and probably never will because they make enough money in their professional careers so that they can blow ungodly amounts of money in the pits and still have plenty left over. PSUMike1999 doesn't have that luxury.

06-25-2014 , 05:51 PM

#460

Bobo Fett

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

As for some of the people who have said to stay away from gambling/poker/casinos etc... That has been suggested to me by people for 15 years now. I hate to say it is too late but I really feel like it is.

No, it isn't. Not even close.

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

I am 39 years old and although have a nice degree in chemical engineering, I have felonies on my record because of gambling and countless misdemeanors(mostly trespassing from airports, etc..) I think my job prospects are not the best at the present time.

Well, forget anything with the degree for the time being, but otherwise this just sounds like a way for you to justify continuing to gamble. "Hey, I can't get a job, so I have to gamble!"

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

That's why I am hoping, clinging to that nice dream that maybe the cards will fall in place for me for a few days and I can win $500,000 or something at the WSOP. I have paid the majority of people that I have owed years ago thanks to Little Man's help and I don't plan on asking to borrow from a poker player again. As for the airport thing - yes it needs to stop because giving some sob story to try and get $100 is wrong. I actually won $5000 yesterday at the Bellagio so at least I didn't gamble that back. I will play a few snags at the Rio, play the monster stack and hope I get lucky.

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

I don't have much money anyways to play a whole lot of events as 5k is really not that much down here in Vegas during the WSOP. Right now for the next week or two I will not quit gambling but maybe after the WSOP is over I will take a long hard look at everything and try and decide on a next step.

Yeah, I don't know what it's going to take for you to hit rock bottom and want to change, but obviously it hasn't happened yet.

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

Just a sad situation for my life right now. I hope it can change.

It can, but you have to want it to change and then make it happen.

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

That's definitely a big problem - if you are an athlete you can be forgiven(except OJ of course or Aaron Hernandez) but for the common person, having a criminal record disqualifies you right away for any kind of legitimate job.

You're not going to be forgiven by anyone until you change your ways. And again, you're making excuses. Now you've added "legitimate" to the job, so I guess that means you have an excuse to pass up jobs that are "beneath you" and continue to gamble.

You need to stop. Your life isn't going to get any better until you get help with the gambling, and accept whatever non-gambling job you can get.

Hitting a big score isn't going to change anything for you - it's just going to extend this cycle. As CMAR said, the win will be gone shortly afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Pot Odds RAC

I'd urge Mike to leave Vegas now. Try and forget that poker exists even though it is currently his only skill. And go "home" and try and build some sort of life, even if that begins with working a couple of crap jobs 80 hours a week.

Yeah, you've blown your shot at a "legitimate" job. Actions have consequences. But you still aren't ready to accept your consequences. Even the most soul bearing admissions of 15 years pissed away doesn't mean you've decided to accept responsibility. You seem to think that there is still an option where you continue to scrape up a stake and score and all is well. Sadly you are likely going to go thru several more cycles. Perhaps wind up incarcerated yet again before you finally bottom out.

This.

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Originally Posted by napoleoninrags2

Many here are borderline action junkies, but you're just profoundly ill. We fantasize of big scores for the lifestyle it could afford us. You make a big score, get back to your room, and realize there isn't a thing in the world you'd rather do.

Solid read IMO.

Some very good posts by Chuck Bass and Mullet Man ITT as well.

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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno

Obv degen publicly outed for scamming. Praised for telling truth.

Carry on poker world.

I see very few (if any) people offering a lot of praise. Offering advice and hope he can turn things around without piling on is hardly praising him.

06-25-2014 , 05:52 PM

#461

Donald Sanger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Monteroy

People who con others all the time do not always do it for money. Part of the thrill of the con is getting the attention/recognition as well when money is not likely going to be had.

You may think you are telling the truth, but you have so many years of conning others that at this point you are likely a victim of your own con, and believe everything you are saying to be true even if it is not.

I believe you are likely a degen, and your story is a fairly common one for a degen. It amuses me a bit, but it does not surprise me, and I do not care how much of it is actually true because I regard it for what it is - a mild source of temporary entertainment for me, and nothing more.

You will not get much money from people in this thread, but you can sure milk them for attention/sympathy/anger, and you will find that may give you a similar rush as gambling. That is not really what interests me so I will likely not be posting again here, though I may read it later to see how many are being dragged along the drama con.

Not so much. That story has been done many times over and over. Again, watch Trailer Park Boys on youtube to see a more comical version of it.

If you write a book, go for the e-book variety and self publish and make sure that many of the people here praying for you come and give support on your comeback. Monetize them later if you cannot now! Be sure to leave yourself some time to hit the airports.

All the best.

Your posting style is like that of a sociopathic robot

06-25-2014 , 06:02 PM

#462

LVpokerPRO

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Originally Posted by exit82

Compulsive gambling is a weakness, not a disease,

pure ignorance here

06-25-2014 , 06:02 PM

#463

LancyHoward

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Originally Posted by benjamin barker

Am I the only one that thinks Mike almost sounds PROUD of his tales? Likes he views himself as having put in his dues and successfully navigated the life of a hustler? This thread feels like his own personal AMA at this point.

He seems to like the attention, and worse he's almost undoubtedly going to leverage this "coming clean thread" into getting some sap to buy him into more tournaments since they believe he's ready to change and want to help.

I didn't want to view his words this way. However, that's the way I see it.
Must remember, he didn't voluntarily "come clean." He was outed and is trying to put out the fires (hatred) the best he can. Shades of POS e-dog.

06-25-2014 , 06:02 PM

#464

Nash_equilibria

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Wouldn't any good lawyer strongly advise you not to confess in a public forum? Your dream of winning $500,000 to solve all your problems is so unrealistic. After your inevitable jail time for your public confession of repeated offences against multiple victims, you will need to find the closest thing to "Little Man" who can help you out of the gambling world and back with your family. Good luck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

That's why I am hoping, clinging to that nice dream that maybe the cards will fall in place for me for a few days and I can win $500,000 or something at the WSOP.

06-25-2014 , 06:06 PM

#465

Dontstakeminors

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One thing is for sure and that is winning the Monster Stack or even Main Event wouldn't change a thing. You can always play high enough to lose whatever you have so getting clean is the only way and $ isn't the problem.
2nd thing is you actually have to want to quit. Any addict knows that it doesn't matter how many ppl love them or are there to help them that only they can help themselves. (obv treatment and having ppl that care is good but if u don't care than it's all for not)

Cold hard truth is u have lived half ur life. U have to decide if u want to live the second half the way you have lived the first half or to make the necessary change. I wish u luck, it won't be easy

06-25-2014 , 06:17 PM

#466

Rob999

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Hope things eventually get better for you PSU Mike.

06-25-2014 , 06:21 PM

#467

odiggity

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Even though I outed myself as being kind of pathetic right now as well, it was still hilariously entertaining trying to read Mike's posts to my girlfriend. I could barely do it because I was crying laughing each time he explained how long it took him to lose the $ back to the casino.

Last edited by odiggity; 06-25-2014 at 06:34 PM.

06-25-2014 , 06:35 PM

#468

fatkid

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Originally Posted by kevko_2000

Obv not this guy bro

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Originally Posted by kevko_2000

What is exactly qualifies as "plenty" bro?

PLease name names.

There's a reason alcoholics don't go hang out at bars even if they are dry.

I am an severe alcoholic and a drug addict but I quit all that 25 years ago. I was deep in it. Lost everything, spent time in jail, all that ****.

There all all kinds of addicts: food, booze, drugs, sex and on and on. For most addicts being around those things they are addicted to will trigger cravings but it is almost impossible to avoid triggers in your life and when you come across them you deal with it. I don't hang out in bars but I don't go out of my way to avoid them. I was in a band for years and we played in hundreds of bars, I didn't drink. Casinos give out practically free booze which is about the biggest trigger I can think of for me. I just don't drink.

You guys are right that it is prob best for Mike to GTFO of the casinos being such a sick person. Everyone is different. Peace.

Last edited by fatkid; 06-25-2014 at 06:48 PM.

06-25-2014 , 06:37 PM

#469

idlikeadrinkplease

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Originally Posted by FlatTireSuited

Leonard Tose, tho!

Seriously, the guy was the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles and he wound up destitute thanks to his addiction to gambling.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-...delphia-eagles

06-25-2014 , 06:38 PM

#470

MacauBound

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Industries where former addicts can make a go of it: Hospitality, Car Sales, Construction (though this is likely not stimulating enough for this guy).

I think this guy belongs at a dealership, where the hours are long, your pay depends on selling people on the value of something abstract, and you won't have to feel ashamed around a cast of characters that are probably more similar than you would think.

It's too bad that this guy can't get past Step 1. I see absolutely zero initiative to make a change based on his plans to play poker.

"Dude you should stop using/gambling/drinking"

"Yeah, I know, but it's too late for me, so **** it, I'm going to have another hit/drink/gamble."

If you truly believe it's too late, then you should continue to gamble with reckless abandon and without shame, not caring who you hurt, until you flame out and die. Fortunately, those less sick than yourself know that it's not too late, but it is not possible to convince someone in the throes of addiction of this.

And the Phil Ivey comparison is just lol wrong

06-25-2014 , 06:40 PM

#471

afwoods

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

I am an severe alcoholic and a drug addict but I quit all that 25 years ago. I was deep in it. Lost everything, spent time in jail, all that ****.

There all all kinds of addicts: food, booze, drugs, sex and on and on. For most addicts being around those things they are addicted to will trigger cravings but it is almost impossible to avoid triggers in your life and when you come across them you deal with it. I don't hang out in bars but I don't go out of my way to avoid them, I was in a band for years and we played in hundreds of bars, I didn't drink. Casinos give out practically free booze which is about the biggest trigger I can think of for me. I just don't drink.

You guys are right that it is prob best for Mike to GTFO of the casinos being such a sick person. Everyone is different. Peace.

Good post, but I couldn't help but lol at you saying free booze is a "trigger" for an alcoholic.

06-25-2014 , 06:41 PM

#472

Kingandtheduck

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i believe compulsive behavior is not a disease, you cant catch it, its just weak willed/minded people so unhappy with their lives they are looking for something to break them out of their misery, which in turn creates more misery.