Stables with MDA are, in fkn fact, illegal, and plain cancer for poker!
Their ghosting and colluding, i dont need to mention.
May they all go to hell, and get analed without vaseline, those subhuman inbred scums

I had a backer in the golden days too, but he didnt even try to coach me, or tell me anything aside of what my max buy-ins should be.
He was even okay with me streaming weekly 530$ 8game with 20 players, which i bubbled three times in a row...

When all have all informations, its cool...?
Bollocks! Recreationals arent going to farm HH and analyze them...

Real Name for losers, too? Bollocks, as i said

Gouvernements might maybe change ****?
Get a grip...



Etc etc....

Post above me... Aaaand /thread

One or two tables per household. Regulated by Feds. Using webcams at each table. No other software running. Short time banks.

Make it 4
Then start the war, cause we are in the floor
Army of Hardcore.... Hardcore!

Thats not true.

I'm communicate with 15+ stables owners and none of them using ghosting and colluding on daily basis. The reason of it that ghosting and colluding are a strong violations in the eyes of the public and every stable have high-rotation of the players inside the stable, players come and players go and all players commucate with each other. So if any stable use ghosting and colluding on daily routine it will be known very fast, they will get hate and will lose the reputation, lose players, it's not worth it in the long run. These are simple incentives.

For what you can hate stables is that they have analytics departments, game selection departments, they study everything and every player who come to the stable is playing better and understand the game better. But its legit.

For me important that stables are indicators that games are good. If stable play - there is no broken RNG, no superusers, no massive bots sitting into the game. Stables will not play bad games with cheaters sitting in. So from my perspective they are helping to the ecology, by verifiyng on practice that games are good. If stables not play somewhere - thats indicator of something is wrong with a place.

Webcams are the answer (unfortunately), and it will happen. Possibly with client monitor access to your device. This is has been done in education to prevent cheating for years, and all American university students are already used to it. Other players do not necessarily have to see you. Client can record the videos and review if cheating is suspected. The AI can even flag suspicious activity, also done in education already. This is the answer.

Thank you for your input and I agree with most of what you say except "Everything else is detailes and does not mean much". Lets try to have an open minded discussion regarding this very broad and wide spreading problem, and be open to other peoples' ideas. Any 1/1000 great idea can add a lot of value to our community so lets encourage everyone to pull their weight

I think in terms of HH disclosure, you can download HH from most legit sites though its not always with all hole cards available. I am personally indifferent as to the bodog or stars style hole cards but I do understand the concerns that some players have over what MDA can do when all hole cards are available.

RE: WebCam

I think there are multiple sites doing this in a very minor way against potential cheaters. For example, I know that WPN will mandate use of webcam to watch you grind and table manage in real time if you get reported for doing something shady.

I think there are some potential issues that could arise
1) Issues as to real life privacy if use of web cam is mandated - who would have access to it; how is it kept; will it be stored, if so, for how long?

2) Might be a barrier of entry (esp recs) for some people coming into poker - they may not want to 'look stupid' on webcam, esp. as begginers etc.

Just some food for thought for further discussion

Surprised this didn't get more attention. Is there any counterargument?

Eliminate completely? Yeah, impossible. Prevent? What TylerRM proposed strikes me as a damn good start.

Of course there is. Its a skill to estimate which cards are dead and which are live, especially in games like Omaha hi lo, but also in stupid holdem, it is a thing.
Reshuffling dead cards is an absolutely horrible idea, and that some folks who even post in a poker Forum never seem to even have thought about that is boggling my mind...

I think a big part of the problem is that there are no real perceived consequences for cheating. If people caught cheating were regularly sent to prison there would be a lot less people willing to risk it.

For the most part this is out of players' control, but some sort of black list of known cheats could help?

I've heard Nevada has something similar that's shared amongst casinos behind the scenes. Maybe we need a public list that is shared all over the world? Not sure, just thinking out loud here and trying to contribute another idea.

It could be limited to proven cheats, and maybe someone's name would drop off the list after five years or something, to allow for the chance of reformed cheats changing their ways and being given a second chance. It could even be shared between live and online venues.

If you got caught cheating and couldn't play on mainstream sites or in casinos anywhere in the world that could put a real dent in the problem.

It would just be important to make sure the standards are clear, and that only truly "proven" cheats get added to the list. I would be a little concerned about innocent people getting blackballed for baseless accusations.

the idea of moving US politics on an issue that fundamentally doesn't matter, when US politics can't move on issues that do matter, is a bit lofty lol

generally tho I agree a forum thread isn't gonna move the needle, but its 2+2 is anyone really expecting it to be productive? does it have to be?