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Max Ashkar fugitive from law after scamming huge sums from online poker world via trojan. Max Ashkar fugitive from law after scamming huge sums from online poker world via trojan.

11-02-2011 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ringo
Apart from preventing physical access to your poker machine and paying an armed guard to watch over it - how do you intend to spend your $1k protecting from a newly crypted trojan that's fully undetectable by all AV engines? What about a 0-day exploit launched against your machine? Do you really think when there's millions to be gained that just throwing $1k on a vague "protecting your computer" idea is going to be effective?

Sounds like this scam came down to the human element. We all need to trust people to be near/around our machines - unless we live in a cave. Sometimes we make wrong judgement calls and that's what appeared to happen here.


Really? It's that hard to keep other people/players off of your computer? Bull****.

Or maybe you mean that we all need to trust people to run our own little scams.
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11-02-2011 , 03:06 PM
still waiting for something credible or evidence .

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The Swiss and the Austrians are said to have Maximilian A. Do not leave the hotel room. They questioned him well until he finally admitted the fraud. They took the confession on a mobile phone and marched to the city together with the accused police of Baden, at 6 clock.
this isnt really a confession , they locked someone in a hotel room and demanded answers . which as said before is probably a felony .
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11-02-2011 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
If those weren't police officers interrogating him, that is a kidnapping charge for them.
At least in the US.
Yes, it is similar in austria. The article talks about this later:
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Doch Maximilian A. widerrief bei der Polizei seine Aussage aus dem Hotel. Er sei zum Geständnis gezwungen worden, gab er zu Protokoll. Die Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelt nun auch gegen den Schweizer und den Österreicher: wegen des Verdachts der Nötigung und des Freiheitsentzugs. Gewalt oder Androhung von Gewalt soll es nicht gegeben haben, sagt Polizeisprecher Walter Santin.

Den Ermittlern zufolge bestreitet Maximilian A. die Betrugsvorwürfe. Mal gewinnt man, mal verliert man - das habe er sinngemäß in Bezug auf die Anschuldigungen gesagt.
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But Maximilian A. retracted at the police his testimony from the hotel. He said he had been forced to confess. The prosecution now also investigates the Swiss and the Austrian: Suspicion of coercion and illegal restraint. There was no violence nor threats of violence, said the speaker of the polic, Walter Santin.

According to the investigators, Maximilian A. denies the allegations of fraud. "Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose" - he said something along these lines when faced with the accusations.
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11-02-2011 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
If those weren't police officers interrogating him, that is a kidnapping charge for them.



At least in the US.


Seems more like a citizen's arrest to me. Would you call someone that tackles a purse snatcher a kidnapper also?
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11-02-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jzo19
still waiting for something credible or evidence .



this isnt really a confession , they locked someone in a hotel room and demanded answers . which as said before is probably a felony .


Okay. They probably should have went to the police first, but still was the confession beaten out of him? Are there any signs of the confession being forced by extreme measures?

Of course the confession was coerced, aren't they all? Even innocent people will confess to crimes they didn't commit. Did that happen in this case? Possible, but not likely imo.
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11-02-2011 , 03:21 PM
Well it looks like the victims get prosecuted as well. No trifle at all what they have done! (Duress and imprisonment)

Last edited by Posemuckel; 11-02-2011 at 03:28 PM.
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11-02-2011 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadowlike
Now Spiegel Online (http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...795460,00.html), one of the most popular german mainstream media websites, has published an article on this. Here is an interesting passage:

Interesting quote by a police speaker:

"Für uns ist das ein einmaliger Fall", sagt Polizeisprecher Santin. Für derartige Ermittlungen sei man gar nicht gewappnet.

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"For us that is a unique case", says police speaker Santin. For such investigations we are unprepared.
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11-02-2011 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadowlike
The Swiss and the Austrian supposedly didn't let Maximilian A. leave from the hotel room. They apparently kept on interrogating him until he finally admitted to the fraud. They recorded the confession on a mobile phone and walked together with the accused to the local police station in Baden, at 6 a.m. in the morning.
The most stupid thing they could have done. Congratulations.
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11-02-2011 , 05:40 PM
Wow, I feel so bad for everybody victimized by this sociopathic scumbag. I am sure m.a. probably followed his victims from site to site and played them under dozens of names. Making it so much worse is that the perpetrator was a so-called friend.
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11-02-2011 , 06:32 PM
A HS player from Holland (lives in London) has given an intervieuw.
He lives there with a couple of friends.
They're all Pokerpro.(in one house)
Max did connect himself to the group.
He seeks 'friends' if you know what I mean.

And he owned them later online.
But not with his known account.
He was talking about 3 differend screennames on PS.
(and also some on ipoker and partypoker)
(It did cost him like $30.000)

one of the guys had his laptop for repair given 2 an expert.
The expert did find a trojan that the AV didn't nottice.
Still the 'house' didnt link it.
Until the HS started his computer and the other guy noticed something that his PC did do also before the repair.

They closed in the people how could have acces to all off theire PC's.
Thats how they came to maximilian Ashkar.
The scam will be like $3million.

some points he mentionend :
The day after he arrives in London Max came by.
4 day's later he bought a new computer.
7 days later Max came by again.
After that he got owned by a couple off new guys.
Who only played him. And followed him true differend limmits.
made hero calls and thinn value raisses.
It were all german accounts.

They have all killed the virus so it will be a hard game to prove !!
Also Max isn't that stupid because i understand he didn't over do it.
I mean Max owned opponents by checkraisin 100% when they had nothing.
Playin draws passive against made hands.
Max never goes further in a hand where opponent has the nuts.
Over aggresive when opponent has a weak draw.
But he never called a bluff catcher with King high or something.

Most victims lived in London.
One big happy family

(pray he will get punnised btw)
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11-02-2011 , 06:47 PM
damn surprised there isnt more attention toward this considering on how much money was allegedly scammed
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11-02-2011 , 07:06 PM
OUCH. I played quite a bit with this guy as Mexx86 on PS. ( down smallish overall). Not sure if any other screennames or on ftp. Does anyone know all the accounts he used?? I don't think I knew him at all in real life, so I hope I am safe.
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11-02-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneyBoye
The most stupid thing they could have done. Congratulations.
i'd have done worse
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11-03-2011 , 12:13 PM
Wondering how its possible to install the trojan in the first place. Would never let a stranger onto my computer (without standing behind him and looking what he does). Also if im not at my computer it is in hibernation and i have to type a password in order to wake it up. Maybe "your house" is a bit naive?

Sry though for the scam and i hope things get settled.
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11-03-2011 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneyBoye
The most stupid thing they could have done. Congratulations.
+1 ;s
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11-03-2011 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hehateme315
damn surprised there isnt more attention toward this considering on how much money was allegedly scammed
There probably would be if there'd been a shred of evidence presented so far.
There hasn't been.
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11-03-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dstock
Really? It's that hard to keep other people/players off of your computer? Bull****.

Or maybe you mean that we all need to trust people to run our own little scams.
I can safely say I've not let a single other person near my poker computer which has a full TrueCrypt system partition, but I'm not naive enough to think that if someone was determined to stuck a USB key in, that they couldn't get away with it.

If you can keep people off your computer - well done. Can you keep them off your LAN? How would you prevent a man in the middle attack with a fake pokersite update or holdem-manager update? What about compromised webpages where you download pokertracker or something? How about a compromised twoplustwo running some exploit kit?

All I'm saying is that there are hundreds of ways to get compromised, and saying "I'm smart enough to keep people away from my computer" is at best naive and unpractical. We can all get caught out on any given day. I'd never let anyone stick a USB drive into my poker machine, but we all need to trust people - not to "run our little scams", as you put it. You trust your ISP, people you share a house with, the poker sites, websites, operating system, software, etc.
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11-03-2011 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ringo
Apart from preventing physical access to your poker machine and paying an armed guard to watch over it - how do you intend to spend your $1k protecting from a newly crypted trojan that's fully undetectable by all AV engines? What about a 0-day exploit launched against your machine? Do you really think when there's millions to be gained that just throwing $1k on a vague "protecting your computer" idea is going to be effective?
SteadyState/DeepFreeze. Disk encryption. End of. Laughable that some people don't even get that.
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11-03-2011 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sba9630
If someone:

1) has physical access to your machine, and

2) knows what they're doing...

they own it.
I'll give you physical access to my encrypted laptop, have fun doing anything to it except wiping it clean.
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11-03-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by skudroc
innocent until proven guilty ?

given the dude scammed a lot of geezers (which seems more than likely), why should his father be involved ?
the scam- guy is a (more or less) grown up man than can and will take full responsibilty for his own actions. what does his dad have to to with it ?

what if somebody tries to ruin the life of the dad now (not that unlikely in internet-age). you think it is good to post the dads company ?

what if the dad didnt even know sunnyboy was playing cards? what can the dad do, you think one word will give back 500 K or 2 Milli ?

i think its totallly out of line to post family related stuff, as those have nothing to do with it. and one for the gallery: seems like ethical standards or nowhere higher than in the poker community.

gl to the guys getting the moniez back.
Family can put pressure on him to repay. IF you scam people you should expect your whole life to fall apart.
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11-03-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TBadr
Yes, because the consequences of doing something like this in a regulated US environment is JAIL!
I hope so. It's one of the things we should be most looking forward to -- criminal charges for people who cheat and scam. Not just a slap on the wrist and freezing of an account.
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11-03-2011 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by skudroc
innocent until proven guilty ?

given the dude scammed a lot of geezers (which seems more than likely), why should his father be involved ?
the scam- guy is a (more or less) grown up man than can and will take full responsibilty for his own actions. what does his dad have to to with it ?

what if somebody tries to ruin the life of the dad now (not that unlikely in internet-age). you think it is good to post the dads company ?

what if the dad didnt even know sunnyboy was playing cards? what can the dad do, you think one word will give back 500 K or 2 Milli ?

i think its totallly out of line to post family related stuff, as those have nothing to do with it. and one for the gallery: seems like ethical standards or nowhere higher than in the poker community.

gl to the guys getting the moniez back.
Ok. So you quoted the info on the family so the post is seen by more people? (Mods must have deleted the post, but it lives on through your quote. Nice job.)
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11-03-2011 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by teddyFBI
There probably would be if there'd been a shred of evidence presented so far.
There hasn't been.
^this

...still no evidence ?
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11-04-2011 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MidnightToker
I'll give you physical access to my encrypted laptop, have fun doing anything to it except wiping it clean.
There are laptop hardware keyloggers for sale today. Tomorrow these laptop hardware keyloggers will get smaller and smaller and more and more sophisticated.

Are you really sure you'll give anyone physical access to your encrypted laptop?

I take it you're only using password(s), not two-factor authentification. In that case it's not far-fetched (rembember that we're in a "online poker scam with trojan" thread) to picture someone taking your laptop apart in a few minutes (there are cool tutorials out there as to how to do that for any laptop and with a bit of practice --yup, I've took laptops aparts lots of time-- it's trivial to do) and installing a hardware laptop keylogger.

You cannot rule that out and seen the money at stakes, I'm sure that some people would be willing to "have fun" should you physically handle them your laptop.

"Worse than no security is the illusion of security" goes the saying...

Now if you've got an encrypted system that can only be decrypted using two-factors auth I'm all ears
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11-04-2011 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ced4pok
picture someone taking your laptop apart in a few minutes (there are cool tutorials out there as to how to do that for any laptop and with a bit of practice --yup, I've took laptops aparts lots of time-- it's trivial to do) and installing a hardware laptop keylogger.
I've dismantled my share of laptops and find your statement above difficult to believe. Laptops usually have a minimum of 8 tiny recessed screws on their bottom plate designed to make drive-by dismantling difficult. Furthermore, laptop dismantling is not a one-size-fits-all task. Each brand or model has its own set of dismantling requirements. I often have to consult the laptop's hardware manual before fully dismantling.

Once separated, you'll probably have to make multiple careful disconnections to remove the keyboard, which is essential to get to the laptop's innards. In addition, after dismantling you'll have to reconnect and screw everything back together. The entire task will surely take longer than a few minutes and you can't make a mistake.

In addition, the admittedly nominal Google search I did on hardware laptop keyloggers indicated that such devices are not commonly available for installation inside a laptop, which are usually already tightly packed with hardware.
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