Maurice Hawkins still owes his backer - Page 5 - Poker News

After winning the final hand with TT vs KK AIPF. Solid.

I can guarantee that Maurice Hawkins will owe his backer this time next year, the year after, and every year for eternity. He could win the main event the next 10 years in a row and still owe his backer. Guys like this don't believe they owe anyone anything.

If there are verifiable debts, easy to get a lien on his winnings. Some people might actually get paid.

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07-13-2023 , 03:07 AM

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Wilbury Twist

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There's a running joke that when Chino Rheem cashes in a tourney, there are 14 people who follow him to the cashier. Is there any truth to this quip? Put another way, do players actually show up with the hopes of collecting when deadbeats like Chino or Maurice hit a big score?

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07-13-2023 , 03:50 AM

#103

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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist

It’s not a running joke. It’s happened.

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07-13-2023 , 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist

I think the Chino debts are old news. He's won. Quit drinking. Paid off who he's meant to have paid off.

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07-13-2023 , 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MJ_Sydney_Aussie

I think the Chino debts are old news. He's won. Quit drinking. Paid off who he's meant to have paid off.

yep, good guy with regrets

Last edited by H.O.R.S.E.; 07-13-2023 at 05:38 AM.

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07-13-2023 , 05:50 AM

#106

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its funny how when ppl lose money to e.g. doug's scamcoin it's a 50/50 split between "doug/coinflex at fault" and "the losers are at fault for making a dumb investment" but when people make possibly the only legit investment dumber than investing jn a crypto exchange, loaning money to a degen poker player, suddenly 0% of the blame is on the invester, even tho its a more risky investment and 10000% more morally questionable

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07-13-2023 , 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

This is a poor analogy. Coinflex and others exist outside regulation and are inherently scams preying on uninformed, then promoted by Doug who's been in crypto since day 1 and should know better.

Are you calling poker morally questionable, or the act of charity? We're shaming stakers now? There's literally no logic to follow here.

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07-13-2023 , 06:19 AM

#108

H.O.R.S.E.

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Originally Posted by L0LWAT

Doug even told us that CoinFLEX was fully regulated. IMO It's not that he should have known better, it's that he obviously did know better, and despite that went ahead and systematically lied to extract the maximum from his followers.

Why are you talking about charity? Investment isn't a charitable act. It's the opposite - a selfish act. And any form of loan to a degen (at least,a n honourable one that is going to pay you back eventually) is just going to leave them working to pay off their debts, which is a very unpleasant situation for a person to be in.

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07-13-2023 , 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy

Remember when he cried like a bitch WHEN HE WON A HAND during the EPT???

Wish I could find that clip again. It was hilarious.

https://youtu.be/GKk8FfNnEZ0?t=1004

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07-13-2023 , 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shorshi

https://youtu.be/GKk8FfNnEZ0?t=1004

Thank-you!!!

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07-13-2023 , 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

Call it what you want, helping someone in need, charity, staking. When you give a personal loan there's some expectation you won't be repaid. Definitely would consider giving a busto degen known scammer charity. I operate assuming all loans won't be repaid and consider them charity. That way it's a freeroll if I get something returned.

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07-13-2023 , 08:16 AM

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OK, I can see that angle. So, it's strange that people call him a scumbag just because he accepted some charitable help.

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07-13-2023 , 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DizzyG

If there are verifiable debts, easy to get a lien on his winnings. Some people might actually get paid.

Not all states recognize "gambling debts" as enforceable unfortunately.

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07-13-2023 , 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

OK, I can see that angle. So, it's strange that people call him a scumbag just because he accepted some charitable help.

The staker in this scenario didn't seem to share my philosophy. According to the Pokernews article linked in this thread, there has been some civil judgment against Hawkins and he won't pay. Seems like he got deep in the hole before he spiked any tournaments and wouldn't pay up. Maybe he sells more than 100% of himself like a ponzi scheme?

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07-13-2023 , 09:20 AM

#115

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i talking about chino here but yeah I stand by Hawkings as well

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07-13-2023 , 09:32 AM

#116

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

i talking about chino here but yeah I stand by Hawkings as well

You stand by a deadbeat and scumbag who refuses to pay his debts?

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07-13-2023 , 09:38 AM

#117

H.O.R.S.E.

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Yes, I stand by him. He's neither of those things.

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07-13-2023 , 09:51 AM

#118

Solving Live Poker

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

Yes, I stand by him. He's neither of those things.

Wait, you think Polk was wrong in coin flex.....but don't think Hawkins is a POS based on all the reports of his debts, and all the reports of how he treats people on and off the poker table???

What world is this? Thinking one is wrong while standing by the other is why poker is still alive.

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07-13-2023 , 09:53 AM

#119

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

Also, this is completely terrible analogy.

Taking someone youtuber's advice and investing is completely different than investing personally with a poker player. Like.....it's not even in the same world.

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07-13-2023 , 09:53 AM

#120

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

Yes, I stand by him. He's neither of those things.

He has publicly refused to pay the guy he's court ordered to pay. I don't think we need a poll to agree most people would consider that being a scumbag.

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07-13-2023 , 09:55 AM

#121

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Morality isn't determined by popular vote. I believe in a cultrual-relativist virtue ethics in which all of Hawkings major so-called wrongdoings are in fact morally good.

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07-13-2023 , 09:56 AM

#122

Solving Live Poker

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Originally Posted by L0LWAT

He has publicly refused to pay the guy he's court ordered to pay. I don't think we need a poll to agree most people would consider that being a scumbag.

He literally has judgements against him for backing debts. As well as other arbitrated agreements that he hasn't paid.

This is a clown world if anyone is defending him.

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07-13-2023 , 09:57 AM

#123

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

Morality isn't determined by popular vote.

Well then, how about legal obligations such as civil judgements and other legally binding arbitrations that have been left unpaid?

If those don't count, then there just isn't a conversation to be had. You're just living in your own world.

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07-13-2023 , 09:59 AM

#124

Solving Live Poker

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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.

Morality isn't determined by popular vote. I believe in a cultrual-relativist virtue ethics in which all of Hawkings major so-called wrongdoings are in fact instrumental goods.

LOL....nvm.

You're either a troll, a moron, or Hawkins.

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07-13-2023 , 10:30 AM

#125

MastaAces

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Originally Posted by Solving Live Poker

LOL....nvm.

You're either a troll, a moron, or Hawkins.

from what i've gathered in different threads H.O.R.S.E. is a troll trying his best to upset people by playing the devil's advocate. i wonder how many accounts he's had banned before creating this one in Feb. just put him on ignore and move on...

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