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Maurice Hawkins still owes his backer Maurice Hawkins still owes his backer

05-17-2022 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Of course he won't
It would negatively impact his lifestyle as he's already explained
Lol. Actually Maurice has his strategy down pat. He claims he's broke and has no means to pay yet plays almost every tournament around. Then when he binks one he curses and yells and snarls and tells everyone he owes money to F off.

Basically he lies and lies and lies and lies and lies. And curses at people trying to collect. Seems like a great dude. Remember he's the victim of all this, not the people who staked him lolol.
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05-17-2022 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Lol. Actually Maurice has his strategy down pat. He claims he's broke and has no means to pay yet plays almost every tournament around. Then when he binks one he curses and yells and snarls and tells everyone he owes money to F off.

Basically he lies and lies and lies and lies and lies. And curses at people trying to collect. Seems like a great dude. Remember he's the victim of all this, not the people who staked him lolol.
Is this dude 6'5" 240 lbs or something? Why has no one knocked him tf out yet? I really don't understand how he's been able to scam so many people with no repercussions except for some negative press on forums and pokernews.
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05-17-2022 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
Is this dude 6'5" 240 lbs or something? Why has no one knocked him tf out yet?
I say lock 'em up and throw away the key for good for anyone that wants to commit a hate crime like that.
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05-17-2022 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I say lock 'em up and throw away the key for good for anyone that wants to commit a hate crime like that.
What hate crime would that be? Hate being ripped off?
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05-17-2022 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
Is this dude 6'5" 240 lbs or something? Why has no one knocked him tf out yet? I really don't understand how he's been able to scam so many people with no repercussions except for some negative press on forums and pokernews.

Probably because gambling debts aren't enforceable everywhere and the scammed are hoping to get paid, plus they aren't looking to catch assault charges?

I mean, look at Russ Hamilton and Howard Lederer and the millions they got away with, and I haven't heard tales of them being taken out to the desert after all these years
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05-17-2022 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I say lock 'em up and throw away the key for good for anyone that wants to commit a hate crime like that.
haha no one is safe from your wrath

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Originally Posted by TampaKn1sh
Probably because gambling debts aren't enforceable everywhere and the scammed are hoping to get paid, plus they aren't looking to catch assault charges?

I mean, look at Russ Hamilton and Howard Lederer and the millions they got away with, and I haven't heard tales of them being taken out to the desert after all these years
Yeah, I get it. I've had to turn the other cheek multiple times because at the end of the day it's just not worth it.

It just surprises me how much people can get away with in the poker community that wouldn't fly in a different realm.
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05-17-2022 , 09:34 AM
Assault him at a casino, where you are going to find him 99% of the time, and see how quickly you get tazed and sent to jail

At least you punched him in the mouth tho
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05-17-2022 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by coordi
Assault him at a casino, where you are going to find him 99% of the time, and see how quickly you get tazed and sent to jail

At least you punched him in the mouth tho
You've obviously never been in a fight before. I would tell him to meet me at a discreet place at a specific time and we would fight there. Loser agrees to not press charges.

There's levels to this.
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05-17-2022 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
You've obviously never been in a fight before. I would tell him to meet me at a discreet place at a specific time and we would fight there. Loser agrees to not press charges.

There's levels to this.
Temeculah seems to be the preferred venue for such discreet encounters.
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05-17-2022 , 11:11 AM
At the 2019 WSOP I had a conversation with a couple gentlemen from the Dallas area who claimed to be backing Maurice. Guarantee, these are the guys who get paid back first.
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05-17-2022 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OhMyHeck!
At the 2019 WSOP I had a conversation with a couple gentlemen from the Dallas area who claimed to be backing Maurice. Guarantee, these are the guys who get paid back first.
I believe that Maurice must have some backers that nobody knows about. Probably the ones you are mentioning. Then he goes out and finds gullible trusting people to also back him but Maurice has no intention of ever paying these people back. Hence this Randy Garica person and countless others.

Again just a pure scumbag on every level.
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05-17-2022 , 01:37 PM
At the end of the day it's all about amounts of money and timing. I've had only easy, successful dealings / transactions with Maurice but only for small amounts. He has a wife and 47 kids and life happens where his intentions aren't to stiff / slow pay / mistreat anyone; he just runs into spots where the amount of money is too significant. No excuses. Only an explanation.

The life lesson we should take away from this, particularly younger or less experienced readers is you have to mitigate your risk. You only give someone one chance to mistreat you before you reconsider the extent of your dealings. I'm not saying people don't deserve second chances, but if someone you have trusted for years always comes through with paying $500 but then drags their feet on $50,000, well then you don't put yourself in situations where the potential amount of money owed is anywhere near $50k--not much more than $500 I would say.

Last point, Maurice does get the Phil Hellmuth treatment at Circuit stops and small cardrooms. I think as a community, just in the last couple years really, we've seen a significant improvement among casino staff and players in policing inexcusable, penalty-warranting behavior. I hope and anticipate that we'll continue to see this improvement during the WSOP and beyond. No more carte-blanche, and it really only takes one one-round penalty per tournament stop for people like Hellmuth and Hawkins to figure it out and act like respectable adults (until they do it again at the next stop). In all seriousness, I'm not that cynical, and I think with some kind of consensus among poker room staff that these antics will result in penalties, we'll see a reduction in the worst of their unbecoming behaviors.
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05-17-2022 , 01:44 PM
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At the end of the day it's all about amounts of money and timing. I've had only easy, successful dealings / transactions with Maurice but only for small amounts. He has a wife and 47 kids and life happens where his intentions aren't to stiff / slow pay / mistreat anyone; he just runs into spots where the amount of money is too significant. No excuses. Only an explanation.
lmao people posting stuff like this unironically hard to believe it's not maurice's mom
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05-17-2022 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by HLOchi
Shortly after this story broke in 2019, he bought a new Tesla and was posting it on his Instagram..

This isn't an issue of not having the ability to pay back--it's an issue of common decency.

Of which, Hawkins has zero.
Agreed 0 decency, but his wife makes good money. Surprise surprise.
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05-17-2022 , 02:15 PM
What's wrong with a black man owning a Tesla?
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05-17-2022 , 02:35 PM
I don’t get why people put up with what they do

If someone owed me a bunch of money and deliberately not paying I’d probably pay a third party half if they collect the other half. There’s non violent ways to make someone’s life miserable. I had thought there was a guy on here offering that service actually
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05-17-2022 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I don’t get why people put up with what they do

If someone owed me a bunch of money and deliberately not paying I’d probably pay a third party half if they collect the other half. There’s non violent ways to make someone’s life miserable. I had thought there was a guy on here offering that service actually
There used to be. I remember that. I think he ended up getting banned. I know he was complaining about multiple warnings, but his messages did seem pretty Liam Neeson like.
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05-17-2022 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HITTHEPANDA
lmao people posting stuff like this unironically hard to believe it's not maurice's mom
Thinking the same thing. Again these randos come into these scam threads and try to make the scammer seem reasonable and likeable lol. If not his mom definitely his wife.
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05-17-2022 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Thinking the same thing. Again these randos come into these scam threads and try to make the scammer seem reasonable and likeable lol. If not his mom definitely his wife.
Definitely ain't his dad.
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05-17-2022 , 06:30 PM
this dude is a pure scum. He just doesnt care about his reputation at this stage since pokernews has already outted him. The best thing to do for us posters is to keep this thread alive, so that any of his backers in the future would find this thread and proceed with caution.
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05-17-2022 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLove_Below
this dude is a pure scum. He just doesnt care about his reputation at this stage since pokernews has already outted him. The best thing to do for us posters is to keep this thread alive, so that any of his backers in the future would find this thread and proceed with caution.
Agree 1000%
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05-20-2022 , 06:53 PM
I've seen him around the place I play. Never played with him but he used to get bounced out of the weeklies once or twice a month. He's a HUGE fish in the cash games, which is prolly why he gets broke so much.
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05-21-2022 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TampaKn1sh
Probably because gambling debts aren't enforceable everywhere and the scammed are hoping to get paid, plus they aren't looking to catch assault charges?
Staking/backing arrangements are not gambling debts any more than a casino’s lease payment is. Just because a debt is associated with gambling doesnt make it a gambling debt.
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05-21-2022 , 11:46 AM
We would be interested in purchasing any debt at reasonable rates, or on a collection contingency commission. We have been doing "unconventional" debt collection for over 45 years.

Everything we do is "legal", but it's maximum pressure collections, we have over a 95 percent collection rate. In some rare and unfortunate circumstances; the debtors have passed away, in unrelated accidents of course, and we still were able to collect from their estate in probate court. This seems like a really good fit and we would like to discuss it further over dinner at an Italian restaurant.
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05-21-2022 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DebtBusters
We would be interested in purchasing any debt at reasonable rates, or on a collection contingency commission. We have been doing "unconventional" debt collection for over 45 years.

Everything we do is "legal", but it's maximum pressure collections, we have over a 95 percent collection rate. In some rare and unfortunate circumstances; the debtors have passed away, in unrelated accidents of course, and we still were able to collect from their estate in probate court. This seems like a really good fit and we would like to discuss it further over dinner at an Italian restaurant.
Umberto's Clam House?

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