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08-02-2019 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
Most poker players owe other people or players money with no ability or intention of ever paying it back.
So this entire thread is cognitive dissonance?
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08-02-2019 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluto
So this entire thread is cognitive dissonance?
Exactly. Lock it up...please!
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08-08-2019 , 03:08 AM
I don't think Maurice even owes any money it was just a level to put everyone on tilt before the Global. Timing was too obvious.
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08-08-2019 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rm81
I don't think Maurice even owes any money it was just a level to put everyone on tilt before the Global. Timing was too obvious.
Another FT at the Global. Guy sounds like a real POS, but apparently can play very well. I'm intrigued to understand why he plays so well. One interview I saw said he's really perfected how to play against bad players. There are some good players in the circuit as well.

Seems like he's got a little bit of the Hellmuth stack preservation strategy. At the WPT tournament FT he made back in 2015 or whenever that was, he mucked aces pretty quickly when his appointed caught a set on the river and moved in.

On the contrary to that play, in the live report for the Global he made apparently a very good call on the river in a pretty big pot with 55 when the board showed Q and river was a J....he snapped called with his 55 and won the pot.

Apparently his a damn good player.
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08-08-2019 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RealKKsuited
I'm intrigued to understand why he plays so well. One interview I saw said he's really perfected how to play against bad players. There are some good players in the circuit as well.
just conjecture on my part.

1) he cut his teeth playing dozens of live SNG's per day, every day for several years back when that business was booming at Seminole Hard Rock Ft Laudersale (circa 2005ish). $200, - $1000 stakes. (I think he's banned from there now, but dont know why) Thats is an incredible amount of live tourny experience for anyone to get. Perfecting SNG strategy serves you well for MTT structures where alot of the toruny and most of the important parts of it stacks sizes vary from 10-50bbs.

2) I doubt you will get any meaningful thoughts from him on GTO type strategic thinking . More of a feel/intuition player. Strongest part of his game is psychology, metagame, getting in people heads, exploitative.

This plays well against WSOPc rec fields. Also might work well against live GTO wizards as his style might be completely unothrodox (I know I know, by definition you cant exploit GTO strategy) . specifically I'd guess he plays lots of weird drawing hands in position against the right players and then plays well post when he hits., or bluffs in right spots against right players when he doesnt. Other than that, just ABC.

WSOP Champions final table will be interesting, especially if they live stream it. I imagine many will say he plays an unorthodox style but who knows.

Maybe he has just been sun running for 5 years straight
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08-08-2019 , 12:06 PM
He flatted aqs in a really standard 3 bet jam spot on the final table. Seems like the likes to raise small on 9-12 bb stack when most guys jam. He is better against bad players and guys on tilt for sure but not like he is drawing dead in tougher fields.
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08-08-2019 , 01:05 PM
yes.

I'd guess if you saw him play for a few hours on a live stream where you saw every hand, you'd see continual what would be considered by most current norms, non-standard decisions.
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08-08-2019 , 06:42 PM
Lol he cashed for 119k the closest number to 103k possible
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08-08-2019 , 07:04 PM
Was sitting in the bar area near Brio having dinner with my wife. Heard this ruckus walking by and my wife asking who was that?

Said that is the GOAT

He was very animated talking about the last hand... I guess

Wife almost fell over when I told her the amount he won.

Good for Maurice. $119k on a free roll
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08-09-2019 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OldManCoffee66
Was sitting in the bar area near Brio having dinner with my wife. Heard this ruckus walking by and my wife asking who was that?

Said that is the GOAT

He was very animated talking about the last hand... I guess

Wife almost fell over when I told her the amount he won.
Why ?
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08-09-2019 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Why ?
I think it was combination of him being so upset and having won so much
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08-10-2019 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fullerene
1. Hawkins is a complete scumbag. As such, I'm just going to assume that what OP is alleging is true. Hawkins by no means deserves the benefit of the doubt. He is the nut low.

2. OP, you say you're a business owner. A restaurateur. A quick internet search confirms this. Your business venture even appears quite successful. But for your sake but MOST ESPECIALLY your company's sake, I hope you stay far away from key financial decisions. How in the hell did you not do the most basic of background checks, which was just googling Maurice Hawkins' name? His low reputation has been known and discussed on various message boards for a long time. A cursory internet search lasting all of five minutes would have saved you from all the hassle.

If I were your business partner, I'd be very nervous.
Maurice looked op in the eye and op couldn't doubt the sincerity behind those eyes. Another I punt stacks and the airport guy fun while they lasted threads.

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08-12-2019 , 07:47 AM
lmao

this is getting a little ridiculous. From WSOP Cherokee main.


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Turner and Hawkins Among the Leaders After Day 2 of $1,700 Main Event

After another 12 hours of poker, Day 2 of the World Series of Poker Circuit $1,700 Main Event has come to an end. The day began with 174 players returning to their seats but only 20 would survive to make the final day
also just shipped 3rd in Global Championship coming off of endless stream of cashes, final tables and Circuit rings.


How is this even possible

- Sold soul to devil ?

- Superman x-ray vision and can see others cards?

- Developed the ultimate live poker cheating device/method ?

- X-Men mutant... his mutation is reading minds?

- 5 years of perfect card distribution ?

- PHd in Phil's White Magic?



Neither skill or luck can explain.

His graph is like pot ripper type chart. so for off standard there has to be explanation beyond skill or luck
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08-12-2019 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
lmao

this is getting a little ridiculous. From WSOP Cherokee main.




also just shipped 3rd in Global Championship coming off of endless stream of cashes, final tables and Circuit rings.


How is this even possible

- Sold soul to devil ?

- Superman x-ray vision and can see others cards?

- Developed the ultimate live poker cheating device/method ?

- X-Men mutant... his mutation is reading minds?

- 5 years of perfect card distribution ?

- PHd in Phil's White Magic?



Neither skill or luck can explain.

His graph is like pot ripper type chart. so for off standard there has to be explanation beyond skill or luck
Max exploit tilting behavior?
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08-12-2019 , 03:32 PM
It's a tough life when 3rd in the Global and the 16th Place in Cherokee Main Event is actually a disappointment... I mean damn!

Doing something right to maintain this consistency for so long.

Polarizing guy and I hate to admit, starting to become a fan boy of his success.
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08-12-2019 , 11:54 PM
Maurice is definitely talented. He has a weird style and puts people on massive tilt at the table. Also he’s been grinding those circuit type tourneys for a long ass time. He’s gotta have one of the biggest edges in live low-midstakes poker tourneys
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08-13-2019 , 11:06 AM
I played with Maurice a lot on day 2 and 3 of this and can easily see how he wins. One hand Maurice has the blinds covered and opens button into a 30bb SB and a 4bb BB and the SB ships 68o on him and says "I just wanted to bluff you". He regularly advertised outloud that if he puts in more than 3 bets pre that he's got aces, and somebody 5b shoved TT into his aces for the biggest pot of the tournament at the time. Another guy said 2 sentences all day and I busted him and he berated Maurice as he walked away from the table. Some people just hate him and he exploits it the max.
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08-13-2019 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by OldManCoffee66

Polarizing guy and I hate to admit, starting to become a fan boy of his success.

He is not successful, there is more to being a success than winning some money in a tournament.
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08-13-2019 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
lmao

this is getting a little ridiculous. From WSOP Cherokee main.




also just shipped 3rd in Global Championship coming off of endless stream of cashes, final tables and Circuit rings.


How is this even possible

- Sold soul to devil ?

- Superman x-ray vision and can see others cards?

- Developed the ultimate live poker cheating device/method ?

- X-Men mutant... his mutation is reading minds?

- 5 years of perfect card distribution ?

- PHd in Phil's White Magic?



Neither skill or luck can explain.

His graph is like pot ripper type chart. so for off standard there has to be explanation beyond skill or luck
Marked cards? Collusion with dealers at these events? The guy is so proven dishonest you know there will be a dishonest reason behind his positive live results.
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08-13-2019 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by btlvngd86
. Some people just hate him and he exploits it the max.
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
He is not successful, there is more to being a success than winning some money in a tournament.
these are kind of related, So if root cause of his success is psychological warfare and this psychological warfare would give anyone same results, then I'm surprised more people dont adopt this strategy.

Yes its not nice and yes one's moral code > money... and yes it might not be fun for many (most?) to be a asshat, but cmon, this is poker. There are enough players who care nothing about that stuff and only about winning and results such that there would be a maurice at every table.

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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Marked cards? Collusion with dealers at these events? The guy is so proven dishonest you know there will be a dishonest reason behind his positive live results.
collusion? , doubtful. best card marking strategy to date.... more possible. would certainly explain his potripper graph
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08-13-2019 , 03:54 PM
Maybe that psychological style is harder than it looks so people just naturally opt into getting good at poker the more standard way? Plus the psychological style only caters to the live arena and probably mostly towards tournaments specifically. Maybe others want a diversified skillset they can use for tournaments, cash, SNGs, online, live, NLH, PLO, etc. I don't understand the science behind it, but I did observe people playing wildly different vs him than they would against "normal" players in a way that you could print money easily if you just made some simple adjustments. I think he's taken it a level or several beyond those simple adjustments and focused most of his effort on that part of his game which works perfectly for him as long as these live midstakes tournaments are the types of games he wants to play. He was acting completely in line and friendly at the table the whole time in this specific tournament and the way players acted and played against him was based solely on his reputation, not even his behavior in the moment. I can't speak to him owing money or his character away from the table, but the dude has found a niche in the poker world and is exploiting it and deserves props for it.
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08-19-2019 , 03:31 PM
Both my friend and I played with him/against him in NOLA. He’s extremely tilting to play against. He pushes all the right buttons. Example: I hero him with A high in a fairly straight forward spot (double paired rainbow board or something like that) and he goes on a tirade for 5 minutes straight about how I’m the worst poker player ever -and just non stop starts taking **** to people he doesn’t even know. I mean honestly - I usually just laugh at stuff like this since I’m a rec enthusiast and generally I just laugh at foolish behavior like this but I have to be honest - he was ruining my experience to the point where I really didn’t want to be there anymore and I told myself several times that I was going to just start jamming or calling ATCs pre to try to just get rid of him so I could just give him **** back - definition of tilt ....my other buddy, played with him in the same event tried to just beat him at his own game by taking right back with him but he’s like Will kassouf - he just has amazing endurance in terms of being a dick
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08-19-2019 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
Both my friend and I played with him/against him in NOLA. He’s extremely tilting to play against. He pushes all the right buttons. Example: I hero him with A high in a fairly straight forward spot (double paired rainbow board or something like that) and he goes on a tirade for 5 minutes straight about how I’m the worst poker player ever -and just non stop starts taking **** to people he doesn’t even know. I mean honestly - I usually just laugh at stuff like this since I’m a rec enthusiast and generally I just laugh at foolish behavior like this but I have to be honest - he was ruining my experience to the point where I really didn’t want to be there anymore and I told myself several times that I was going to just start jamming or calling ATCs pre to try to just get rid of him so I could just give him **** back - definition of tilt ....my other buddy, played with him in the same event tried to just beat him at his own game by taking right back with him but he’s like Will kassouf - he just has amazing endurance in terms of being a dick
Why doesn't anyone tell the floor when he's **** talking people for no reason?
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08-20-2019 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
- he just has amazing endurance in terms of being a dick
best explanation I've seen ITT.

If this is what drives his success at table, why don't more people do it?

is he the ONLY player willing to trade his rep as an azzhat for money and rings.

or the only player willing to trade his rep as an azzhat AND with the speechplay skills and endurance to do it for hours and hours on end.

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Originally Posted by borg23
Why doesn't anyone tell the floor when he's **** talking people for no reason?
thats a good question. I've played with him around 10 times over the years and I enjoyed the mental banter with him, and called him out quickly when being a dick to a more introverted players. But also do get sick of it at times as his shtick does get old.

So yeah , the best counter for his "be a ****" strategy is to call the floor on him continually. like everytime he opens his mouth and says anything confrontional. Or just for talking to too much. Tell the floor his just constantly blabbering and creatiing a distraction for people on hands. Nothing would piss him off more.

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08-20-2019 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OldManCoffee66
Doing something right to maintain this consistency for so long.

Polarizing guy and I hate to admit, starting to become a fan boy of his success.
The cream rises to the top.

Go Maurice!
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