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Maurice Hawkins owes me 3,000 Maurice Hawkins owes me 3,000

07-17-2019 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by smoothcriminal99
What assets do you think Maurice has to seize that gives OP any chance of getting paid even if he gets a judgment??? You think 13 WSOP circuit rings are going to go for 103,000... if he hasn’t pawned them off yet. The only chance of ever receiving money in situations like this is a settlement and usually leveraging public opinion is powerful but unfortunately for OP Maurice’s reputations so bad he has nothing to protect.

If anything going public helped the case cause Maurice admitted to the loan, had already agreed to a payment plan then broke it, and refused to negotiate a new payment plan.
Yeah, this isn't the first time he's been sued by a backer.

A couple years ago, a very similar situation came up. Maurice got sued, backer blasted him, they came to some sort of agreement that involved backer publicly saying they were all good, no harm, no foul.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...spute-amicably
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07-17-2019 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
amazing someone can lend a scumbag like this money after they owed them a ton of money for being staked they barely paid back
It's a confidence game and similar to the Nigerian scammers how you wonder "how could someone fall for it" but plenty of people do. It's also incremental so it's not like you give the guy 100K or whatever up front. He gives a little of it back meanwhile to establish "trust" and honestly if he was smart he'd have paid the guy back and then just borrowed it again and probably could've gotten more.
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07-17-2019 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kalrex
It's a confidence game and similar to the Nigerian scammers how you wonder "how could someone fall for it" but plenty of people do. It's also incremental so it's not like you give the guy 100K or whatever up front. He gives a little of it back meanwhile to establish "trust" and honestly if he was smart he'd have paid the guy back and then just borrowed it again and probably could've gotten more.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Reading this guy's twitter comments he just seems like the perfect sucker and I don't mean it in a bad way. Just way too trusting. Like Maurice binked a decent score and instead of paying Randy back he told him he lost everything playing blackjack. And Randy was fine with that according to him. Wouldn't that raise some red flags? He said on twitter he understood when Maurice gave him the bad news about that. Maurice seemed to have a golden ticket with this rich guy and ruined it. And my guess there are others as well who just haven't come forward.
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07-17-2019 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fakekidpoker
I'd like for one of these days for the person wronged to just snap and go full Sopranos on the scammer
im sure it happens , you just wouldnt hear about it on here.
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07-17-2019 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Reading this guy's twitter comments he just seems like the perfect sucker and I don't mean it in a bad way. Just way too trusting. Like Maurice binked a decent score and instead of paying Randy back he told him he lost everything playing blackjack. And Randy was fine with that according to him. Wouldn't that raise some red flags? He said on twitter he understood when Maurice gave him the bad news about that. Maurice seemed to have a golden ticket with this rich guy and ruined it. And my guess there are others as well who just haven't come forward.
I think you're probably right.

OP seems like a good guy that just made a mistake and is dealing with it as best he can. Blows my mind to see so many people immediatly ****ting all over him (and not Maurice!). All they're doing is giving other potential victims a reason to not come forward, which only helps the scammer. Knock it off guys.
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07-17-2019 , 04:06 PM
Can ppl pls stop referring to the OP as lender. He didn't lend Maurice money, he backed him.
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07-17-2019 , 04:39 PM
Maurice looks like the sort of guy that would steal $5 from his grandmas purse and claim she owes him money whilst calling her "a broke ass biatch."
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07-17-2019 , 05:01 PM
Love to hear more of the #HawkView on this topic
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07-17-2019 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bluto
Im sure scammers evaluate their marks on the likelihood they’ll deal out ass kickings. Probably no mistake he borrowed from a restaurateur and not the local bookie or 1% motorcycle club
Sure, and I'm not the most up to date individual on these things, but weren't a lot of people ripped off in the Full Tilt thing? No way they could know who each and every person was and the likeliness of them jumping them either in the Rio or in the parking lot. Again, to my knowledge that hasn't happened and they straight up ripped people off.

Yes, there is an inherent risk putting money in an offshore account, but that doesn't make stealing it ok. In what other walk of life can you steal from people and sit next to them with zero recourse?

I'm in the minority here so I'm probably wrong, but seems like it takes a giant set of balls to step foot in Vegas after what they did and yet in reality it doesn't.
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07-17-2019 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
Hes not staked he just borrows a lot of money and doesn't pay it back ldo
lol
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07-17-2019 , 05:49 PM
If you thought Maurice was vile and unbearable before all of this on the table, it should be even worse now. The old chip on the shoulder should be very prevalent now. Thankfully i never invested in him when he wanted me to back at the West Palm Beach Kennel Club room.
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07-17-2019 , 06:25 PM
Somebody can post the screenshot from twitter, but Randy is saying OP isn't him.
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07-17-2019 , 07:19 PM
thats an interesting twist
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07-17-2019 , 07:42 PM
interesting
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07-17-2019 , 08:30 PM
The guy was owed ?100k for two years and then gave more money for "living expenses"? I'm guessing some kind of sex thing is also happening here.
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07-17-2019 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by txdome
The guy was owed ?100k for two years and then gave more money for "living expenses"? I'm guessing some kind of sex thing is also happening here.
I don´t know about that, but he sure got screwed
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07-17-2019 , 09:01 PM
Random people, co-workers, family, friends: Can I borrow money?

Me: No

easy game FFS. a fool and his money are soon parted.
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07-17-2019 , 09:23 PM
Hmm op should probably have a written up contract prior to backing someone for Situations like this. People need to stop trusting people in the poker scene honestly. Unless you are best friends with someone, backing is just too risky and even a friendship is tough to trust sometimes.

Don’t back others is probably the best rule to follow.
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07-17-2019 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Hmm op should probably have a written up contract prior to backing someone for Situations like this. People need to stop trusting people in the poker scene honestly. Unless you are best friends with someone, backing is just too risky and even a friendship is tough to trust sometimes.

Don’t back others is probably the best rule to follow.
Op isn’t the person who was scammed
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07-17-2019 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WiCane
He literally said he has texts showing that Hawkins knows he owes him money.
But does he have any documentation? lol
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07-17-2019 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
You have a copy of your complaint or link to the filing in Florida ?

Just curious.
No offense, but it took me less than 45 seconds to find the filing.
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07-17-2019 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Hmm op should probably have a written up contract prior to backing someone for Situations like this. People need to stop trusting people in the poker scene honestly. Unless you are best friends with someone, backing is just too risky and even a friendship is tough to trust sometimes.

Don’t back others is probably the best rule to follow.
What gets me is this guy Randy gets told from Maurice that he gambled everything away at blackjack and OP was okay with that. It was on his twitter feed. I mean, it you are projecting that kind of sucker image when your horse effectively tells you he screwed you over and he lost all the money, no wonder someone like Maurice decided not to pay him any money. Can you be any more passive wow. Just paint sucker on your forehead and be done with it.
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07-17-2019 , 10:45 PM
I am not a lawyer, but by going public, he has given a lot tot he defense.

Obviously, if I represent Hawkins I am going to request his entire twitter feed, all two plus two posts, any emails he made on the topic.

Additionally, he capped his damages at $103,000. Maybe it was more and he missed some online scores that Hawkins had, which could have easily been found through discovery.

If he feels that the case is a loser and waste of time, why bother filing it in the first place? There has to be some hope he can reach a settlement, or win in court and go after some Hawkins assets.

Anyway, going public is certainly a fine way to try to resolve a dispute. However, per Garcia's post, he has already filed the suit.

Giving unnecessary leads for Hawkins attorney's to pursue, lowering their depositions, and Hawkins legal costs.

Once determination is to go lawsuit, limiting public disclosure is typically best practice.

If going public was a legal strategy designed by Garcia and his representatives to expediate matters, that is different. If he posted this cause he was feed up, while concurrently exploring legal options available to him, it was a strategic mistake.

However, if there are attorney's on here, as backing disputes seem to come up constantly, I would be interested on their thoughts on the most effective way to pursue a claim, in case I am ever in this situation.
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07-17-2019 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
I am not a lawyer, but by going public, he has given a lot tot he defense.

Obviously, if I represent Hawkins I am going to request his entire twitter feed, all two plus two posts, any emails he made on the topic.

Additionally, he capped his damages at $103,000. Maybe it was more and he missed some online scores that Hawkins had, which could have easily been found through discovery.

If he feels that the case is a loser and waste of time, why bother filing it in the first place? There has to be some hope he can reach a settlement, or win in court and go after some Hawkins assets.

Anyway, going public is certainly a fine way to try to resolve a dispute. However, per Garcia's post, he has already filed the suit.

Giving unnecessary leads for Hawkins attorney's to pursue, lowering their depositions, and Hawkins legal costs.

Once determination is to go lawsuit, limiting public disclosure is typically best practice.

If going public was a legal strategy designed by Garcia and his representatives to expediate matters, that is different. If he posted this cause he was feed up, while concurrently exploring legal options available to him, it was a strategic mistake.

However, if there are attorney's on here, as backing disputes seem to come up constantly, I would be interested on their thoughts on the most effective way to pursue a claim, in case I am ever in this situation.
Wtf did I just read?
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