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Matt Marafioti and Samer Rahman allegedly conspire to hack other poker players Matt Marafioti and Samer Rahman allegedly conspire to hack other poker players

08-14-2012 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pcallinallin
Or some association or group that can request an audit of information found to be suspicious. The only reason a whistle blower is needed is because there is no access at all given to the players or outside investigators.

This leaves the poker community in a state of speculation, conspiracies run rampant, individuals reputations are dragged through the speculators forum, the reputation of online poker falls with every episode.

There is never an explanation of what was found from the internal investigations, hence never resolving the unanswered questions. (TLK 44v33 never dies)

We as players need to demand the ability to audit the sites that host our games, we will self police when given information. We also disregard bogus speculation when we have information to disregard it with.

I am starting to believe that having no access to evidence is hurting the poker ethos more than any damning evidence could.

"It is better to remain silent and thought to be an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" is not the policy I want the gatekeepers to use when guarding the integrity of poker. With each passing scandal, this policy of silence loses credibility to me.
This is basically just getting a licensing authority worthy of the name, isn't it. No more dodgy tax haven islands issuing worthless paper, as with FTP. If you had a proper licensing authority, part of the terms of the license could (and should) include provisions for this type of auditing.

Clearly it is problematic because of races to the bottom, as with tax havens, and even more so because you are dealing with internet businesses.
08-14-2012 , 08:53 AM
why would anyone make that up, just for jealousy they would make up that entire conversation, if you really think about it the person that posted the op knew they were cheating and without outing themselves decided to post the proof anonymous because of all the scum involved in this. It is far more likely that the majority of this is true. Especially by his reaction to all of this, he has dragged his fathers name through the mud and continues to act like a kid that does not feel the need to man up and take responsibility for his actions,

I honestly think he may have lost that 350000 in one week to the person that knows the person that posted this. Maybe the person hacking adz had a trojan on the small screen computer he said he was using. And from that hacking session they retrieved these convos. Anything is possible now, but without a doubt this guy is a lying POS, I hope his daddy at least spanks him lol.
08-14-2012 , 09:08 AM
Its likely Samer and then by default ADZ have both forced into this situation by fear - I am no way condoning their scummy behaviour but if forced and threatened you would be amazed what people would do. If the Bandidos threatened Samer to get them money, he would stoop to scamming to get it, then he needed to scam ADZ, who in turn needed to scam if you understand what I mean. Its a chain. Almost like a pyramid scheme with most of, if not all of the money going to the Bandidos. This is obviously just a wild guess and I have no real clue of any of the facts.

Another theory is ADZ's personality disorder (I have a family member with borderline personality disorder & know alot about it), they can be impulsive, rarely think of the consqeuences and almost always act irrationally and take no responsibilities for their actions nor do they care - it manifests itself in the form of mania, depression, suicidal tendancies, drug abuse, addiction, suicide and a plethora of other traits and almost impossible to cure thus the Docs tend to throw the term around loosely. Also the fact he likes the baller, party lifestyle and has referenced to 'gangsters' and mafia type people could indicate he actually enjoyed being in the company of said villains as he is able to throw his weight about in the nightclubs or wherever and feel somewhat protected (likelihood is he wasnt), I also know people like this and many come from privelged middle/upper class backgrounds like ADZ.

Who knows.
08-14-2012 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dappadan777
Its likely Samer and then by default ADZ have both forced into this situation by fear - I am no way condoning their scummy behaviour but if forced and threatened you would be amazed what people would do. If the Bandidos threatened Samer to get them money, he would stoop to scamming to get it, then he needed to scam ADZ, who in turn needed to scam if you understand what I mean. Its a chain. Almost like a pyramid scheme with most of, if not all of the money going to the Bandidos. This is obviously just a wild guess and I have no real clue of any of the facts.

Another theory is ADZ's personality disorder (I have a family member with borderline personality disorder & know alot about it), they can be impulsive, rarely think of the consqeuences and almost always act irrationally and take no responsibilities for their actions nor do they care - it manifests itself in the form of mania, depression, suicidal tendancies, drug abuse, addiction, suicide and a plethora of other traits and almost impossible to cure thus the Docs tend to throw the term around loosely. Also the fact he likes the baller, party lifestyle and has referenced to 'gangsters' and mafia type people could indicate he actually enjoyed being in the company of said villains as he is able to throw his weight about in the nightclubs or wherever and feel somewhat protected (likelihood is he wasnt), I also know people like this and many come from privelged middle/upper class backgrounds like ADZ.

Who knows.

You been on the beak again Dappa lad?
08-14-2012 , 09:34 AM
DADADZ to the rescue
08-14-2012 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dixie60
You been on the beak again Dappa lad?
Que?
08-14-2012 , 10:04 AM
Dad just said what a normal dad would say in trying to protect and help his son. The only problem I have with dad is he's duped into thinking his lowlife son is an innocent victim. Then again Mr. Manson always thought his boy Charles was framed.
08-14-2012 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by dappadan777
Que?


In order to come up with such deep thinking theories, I'm suggesting you have spent the evening in the company of Colombia's finest.
08-14-2012 , 10:09 AM
father is misinformed obviously as they usually are in cases in general and always agree with their s0n.

wonder if he thinks its ok and ethical to play in a 3 handed game/sharing cards and chopping up another guys $$$. when i return to high stakes cash itd only be hu, cuz its ok with pokersites to softplay and i disagree
08-14-2012 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark275
father is misinformed obviously as they usually are in cases in general and always agree with their s0n.

wonder if he thinks its ok and ethical to play in a 3 handed game/sharing cards and chopping up another guys $$$. when i return to high stakes cash itd only be hu, cuz its ok with pokersites to softplay and i disagree
They can still see your hole cards
08-14-2012 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dixie60
In order to come up with such deep thinking theories, I'm suggesting you have spent the evening in the company of Colombia's finest.
Haha, tbh they arent that far fetched. Its known he has some sort of personality disorder this comes from loads of reputable people saying there is smth not right with him. Also because villains are involved one could also come to the conclusion that he might have been acting out of fear, i.e being extorted. Who knows, could be the yeyo too
08-14-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dappadan777
Its likely Samer and then by default ADZ have both forced into this situation by fear - I am no way condoning their scummy behaviour but if forced and threatened you would be amazed what people would do. If the Bandidos threatened Samer to get them money, he would stoop to scamming to get it, then he needed to scam ADZ, who in turn needed to scam if you understand what I mean. Its a chain. Almost like a pyramid scheme with most of, if not all of the money going to the Bandidos. This is obviously just a wild guess and I have no real clue of any of the facts.

Another theory is ADZ's personality disorder (I have a family member with borderline personality disorder & know alot about it), they can be impulsive, rarely think of the consqeuences and almost always act irrationally and take no responsibilities for their actions nor do they care - it manifests itself in the form of mania, depression, suicidal tendancies, drug abuse, addiction, suicide and a plethora of other traits and almost impossible to cure thus the Docs tend to throw the term around loosely. Also the fact he likes the baller, party lifestyle and has referenced to 'gangsters' and mafia type people could indicate he actually enjoyed being in the company of said villains as he is able to throw his weight about in the nightclubs or wherever and feel somewhat protected (likelihood is he wasnt), I also know people like this and many come from privelged middle/upper class backgrounds like ADZ.

Who knows.


Seriously man, stop this drivel. And yes, i call nosebag

(And come on man, it's pretty clear that the family member is your good self)
08-14-2012 , 11:07 AM
still not much idea where original skype and FB came from? did Matt lose his phone recently? think i read that early on but not sure
08-14-2012 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
there's much more scamming/cheating going on in online poker than pretty much any other sport/industry in the world. id be scared too, especially if youre playing for very large sums of money
pretty sure cycling as poker covered when it comes to cheating.
08-14-2012 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rivercitybirdie
still not much idea where original skype and FB came from? did Matt lose his phone recently? think i read that early on but not sure
On his Twitter one pro (forgot who) swears that Marafioti told him that Lauren Kling released it.
08-14-2012 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerclann1
pretty sure cycling as poker covered when it comes to cheating.
Keep dreaming. There's 50 guys in the world that cheat at cycling. There's 20 million that cheat at poker. Nobody is cheating in a 10 mile bike race in DeMoines, Iowa but somewhere in DeMoines there's a poker game where two partners are signaling to each other.
08-14-2012 , 11:36 AM
Matt Marafioti was born on third base and thought he'd hit a triple
08-14-2012 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob999
On his Twitter one pro (forgot who) swears that Marafioti told him that Lauren Kling released it.
Rob, thanks. I had seen that and it's definitely a strong contender although Matt is clearly delusional so i wouldn't take anything he says at face value.

one thing i think that Matt clearly misunderstands is that underworld types hate his type. He is way way too talkative. I think some minor criminal types i knew would label him a "heat score"
08-14-2012 , 12:36 PM
What is puzzling is why Will Molson has not come on 2+2 to discuss the reported tirade ADZ had with Reynolds about Molson. Also to discuss why Molson no longer talks to Matt. Molson outted Chino on here awhile back when Chino stole $$$ from him, Will owes it to poker world to discuss what he knows or doesn't know about Matt Marafioti's alleged attempt to hack him. Cant have it both ways Will.
08-14-2012 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
What is puzzling is why Will Molson has not come on 2+2 to discuss the reported tirade ADZ had with Reynolds about Molson. Also to discuss why Molson no longer talks to Matt. Molson outted Chino on here awhile back when Chino stole $$$ from him, Will owes it to poker world to discuss what he knows or doesn't know about Matt Marafioti's alleged attempt to hack him. Cant have it both ways Will.
yeah this
08-14-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond18
Naturally I brought all this to the attention of my producers at the WPT. As it turns out, they were not intending to have him return as a Ones to Watch for season 11 anyway.

My relationship with Matt previous to all this was congenial and professional. He was always pleasant to me, and we had no negative run-ins. Even after conspiring to cheat and blowing up on me I don't feel disdain for Matt the same way I do for many other scummy people in poker. I think that many of the money-hungry, deceptive, ******* types we encounter in poker are perfectly self aware that what they're doing/about-to-do is ****ed up and greedy but they're just too selfish to care. I think Matt has a genuine personality disorder and truly believes that the world has spontaneously turned on him just because of a misunderstanding. I think he suffers from delusions and crippling insecurity. I think he's sick in the head.

None of this is an excuse or rationale for what he's done, and I believe if he decides to still hang around poker he'll justly be treated like a pariah. But for once I find a poker scandal more saddening than infuriating.

I agree...
Matt is quite obviously playing with less than a full deck.
His motivation seems to be revenge of some sort, as opposed to the criminals involved that were quite obviously motivated by money, as those type of 'people" usually are.
So Matt seems to have somehow justified this is his slightly "Abby Normal" brain as something other than criminal ... or even unethical.

Therefore in this case, The situation truly is more "sad than infuriating" as you said.
(And it actually could be a positive thing because it seems to have been made public before Matt was able to help Samer & Co. do any real harm, (not that those slime didn't already do real harm without Matt's help)

So this situation serves as a very effective eye opener about computer security for poker players and others.

As always, you truly are a Class act Tony.

Last edited by LottaNirvana; 08-14-2012 at 01:36 PM.
08-14-2012 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond18
Naturally I brought all this to the attention of my producers at the WPT. As it turns out, they were not intending to have him return as a Ones to Watch for season 11 anyway.

My relationship with Matt previous to all this was congenial and professional. He was always pleasant to me, and we had no negative run-ins. Even after conspiring to cheat and blowing up on me I don't feel disdain for Matt the same way I do for many other scummy people in poker. I think that many of the money-hungry, deceptive, ******* types we encounter in poker are perfectly self aware that what they're doing/about-to-do is ****ed up and greedy but they're just too selfish to care. I think Matt has a genuine personality disorder and truly believes that the world has spontaneously turned on him just because of a misunderstanding. I think he suffers from delusions and crippling insecurity. I think he's sick in the head.

None of this is an excuse or rationale for what he's done, and I believe if he decides to still hang around poker he'll justly be treated like a pariah. But for once I find a poker scandal more saddening than infuriating.

As always Tony, you are so well spoken and pure class! It is tough to argue with your assessment. While I always want to see scumbags, a**holes, and arrogant people get what they deserve, it is clear that Matt suffers from true mental illness. Perhaps Matt's dad is just as much to blame as Matt is, as his dad seems to be feeding Matt's delusions/narcissism/extreme immaturity when his dad should be doing the exact opposite.
08-14-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond18
they were not intending to have him return as a Ones to Watch
Maybe they should have a segment called "Ones to Watch Out For"
08-14-2012 , 04:04 PM
This scam goes back six years atleast. I think it has done alot of damage even if Matt didn't come through.

Just speculating- Say Matt did scam Molsi and others my guess would be Matt would of been reluctant to pay the percentage to bandidos or Samer. Matt justifying it to himself he earned it all with his superior skills screw them. That would likely end in a worse outcome for him.
08-14-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyIllini
Perhaps Matt's dad is just as much to blame as Matt is, as his dad seems to be feeding Matt's delusions/narcissism/extreme immaturity when his dad should be doing the exact opposite.
How could you possibly think you know this? You are dead wrong.

      
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