I would guess they punch a hole in them and send them over to the gift shop.

In this case they should have been collected, time stamped, and analyzed after

Either Kabhrel is cheating or he is pretending to cheat. I doubt he is actually cheating because of how brazen he is combined with no one yet producing evidence that the cards he handled actually were marked. However pretending to cheat should not be permitted. Though I don't partake, I'm all for speech play (so long as it is not abusive, etc) but pretending to cheat is not a legitimate means of gaining a psychological edge. That fingernail press that Kabhrel does to the cards should not be permitted regardless of whether marks can be found on inspection. Going forward players who do this should be disqualified from a tournament or booted from a cash game.

so then... if the entire table was sure he was cheating by marking the cards or pretending to mark the cards to control the action, and they didn't say anything to the floor, does than mean there was collusion?

I just want to chime in to say that card marking is a big problem in the poker world. I don't know enough about the current situation to have an opinion about this particular player. However in live casinos in the past couple years I have encountered card marking numerous times. Sometimes it is so obvious that every reg is covering their cards with their hands because they know it is occurring.

It's just really hard to prove. I've even seen a player call someone out when they witnessed them put a fingernail mark in a card. The floor was called, and the offender just played dumb and acted like that was how they hold their cards and the mark was an accident. The floor gave them a warning and switched out the marked card, essentially doing nothing even when the player was caught red-handed.

I think he's just trolling hard on these guys to tilt them as much as possible, and it's working quite well. He is a little much sometimes, but also has some funny moments.

Dan Smith is very cringe and I think he has little man syndrome. Look at how Kornuth and Kulev handled themselves during the post knockout interview compared to Dan. Smith literally just got called out for excessive tanking and then doesn't like it when other player is excessive tanking, smh. Dude is worth millions and can't handle his emotions at live poker. Psychological warfare is part of the game in live poker.

As long as he's not actually cheating, he's great for the game. It's fun to have a villain to root against or for. Could you imagine how boring it would've been without him?

perhaps Martin knew another player at the table was marking cards and began marking the low cards as a countermeasure.

I watched fragments of Kabrhel's interview with Polk and one thing that really stuck out to me is the fact than when he talks about business, he does not sound like some sort of mathematical savant at all. He sounds exactly like a narcissistic conman, using a very vague language, implying some extremely wide range of unspecified business venues without giving any details. Of course, he might just have this manner of speaking, but it's not really in line with who he is supposed to be

also, adding to a long list of people who can't stand him, yesterday I played with a middle aged couple of semi-wealthy recs who often visit Rozvadov. The subject of Kabrhel came up and they said that playing with him is absolutely miserable, one of the worst live poker experiences they've ever had.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this. But after listening to this guy for 10 seconds all i can think is...

https://youtu.be/uJQyU7WTA10

tell me im wrong

Stuff like this is why I prefer home games, even if I have to drive an hour more each way and the rake is much higher than my local card room. The host of the game I go to walks around with an ax on his shoulder sort of like this stock photo but slightly more chill



and then if anyone gets out of line he will come over to the table (he runs a couple tables plus a sports betting operation so it's a pretty big place) and if he comes over he will stand like this



And guess what? No one gets out of line. Not saying every home game needs to be this extreme but methinks official tournaments should run a little bit more like my home game and a little bit less like a daycare but what do I know!

Seems like Kabrhel is aware people are aware he does this on the reg and decided to troll them hard on stream

https://twitter.com/danabramslive/st...04747860951040

If he was trolling then it was not a very intelligent troll because he is now known worldwide as an alleged cheater.

The dude is anything other than "great for the game" lol why would u come up with that? He makes the experience miserable for every rec with his antics, stalling etc. its maybe semi entertaining to watch but thats about it. I could and would not sit with that complete sociopath more than a few minutes at a table.

imagine trolling to cheat in a poker game like this with a lot of money involved...its really a big surprise that people get suspicious imo.

That Dan Abrams Live video is the nut low

Suggesting he knew he was going to win Td6d vs Smiths AdQd because he said 'good luck'

Right.

So we've gone from marking the cards to some sort of RFID equipment that tells Kabrhel his hand will win at showdown.

Totally rubbish

And Doug Polk is the worst on these scandals. He's just interviewed Kabrhel. I guess being all GTO, Doug doesn't know how to read people. It should be obvious to everyone now - that Kabrhel wasn't cheating, and wasn't pretending to cheat. But then this is Doug... like I said earlier in this thread - his Thumbnail [doug's] clearly shows Kabrhel looking at a stack and he drew lines on [not where his eyes were pointing] to make it look like he was looking at someone's cards. And this is the same Doug who came up with Robbie's chair is vibrating. Scheesh

Anyone trying to claim Kabrhel hasn't been damaged [reputation] by these lies - really has no empathy or understanding of what he has been put through by these lies.

I know some of you will still say he cheated [or have some bizarre idea he's pretending to cheat to put people off... hmm] - and for that smoke, I truly hope Kabrhel gets the apologies he deserves... or sues and gets a decent settlement for this injury to his name.

The 'top' HS pros 'boys club' should be ashamed.

So no one told the floor they're suspicious and asked for a deck change?

Like, why?

Dan smith is somewhere in this thread saying “we’ve repeatedly requested deck changes” not sure who Dan is referring to, I guess Dan and his buddies

Digging your fingernails into the backs of the cards is bizarre if you're not trying to cheat. There is no justification for this at all. Defending it as something no one should be concerned about is bizarre as well. Kabrhel is owed no apologies if behavior that looks like it could be cheating is suspected as cheating by people who already disliked him. He's just giving people reasons to be suspicious.

I found it. So Dan Smith claims they asked for a new deck as frequently as possible and Martin says in Doug Polks interview that no one said anything at the time.

Anyone who watched every minute of the stream wanna confirm?

Watched a few hours maybe, heard no requests for deck changes

Assuming for a minute he's not cheating-watching him tank for 30 seconds every hand to fold junk preflop isn't great for the game nor is it great to watch. I watched maybe 20 mins of this as watching high rollers is pretty intolerable. He's still better than watching the robots though.

I couldn't agree more on Dan Smith. I have no idea how he even functions in the real world.

You're right about the tanking. It's annoying AF and I believe there are rules that state no excessive time wasting. The 250K is a little weird though in the sense they already have a shot clock (or do all WSOP tournaments now have it?). Regardless if players have an issue with it they ideally could raise the issue to the floor, and ideally the floor would implement some measures to fix it.

My view as of now is that Martin isn't cheating, just has odd behaviours perhaps due to abnormal psychology BUT imo if players were worried, another measure they can take apart from asking for frequent deck changes is to 1) get floor to implement the standup room and 2) get floor to warn Martin for his odd hand behaviours when it comes to the cards, right?

Why are poker players so drastic with their accusations?

Hellmuth 100% cheated/angled in that HCL hand! ... even though the only evidence was a confusing, cut off camera angle, and no one at the table (i.e. the people who could actually see what happened) thought he was out of line.

Robbi 100% cheated on that other HCL hand! ... even though there's literally zero evidence for it other than "OMG how can she call!" and "all the top pros agree, if you disagree your an idiot!"

Martin 100% cheated! ... even though the evidence is incredibly weak other than, again "all the top pros agree!" (so if you think he's innocent you're pretty much admiting to being a low stakes fish)

Mike Postle is was 100% cheating! ... even though there's literally zero evidence

etc.

I like that you make fun of it while you clearly have no insight at all.

I'm not sure he is backed by Leon, if he is I'm not sure Leon would take his side, he is from good sources a very high integrity guy and he prob makes a relative small sum to his net worth from staking compared to what he makes from running a casino with the biggest games. It's very -ev to risk his rep by backing/defending a potential cheater.

This case is so different from robbi or hellmuth. Postle maybe not.

Martin is so clearly handling the cards in a way that is known to be how a card marker would do it.

On top of that his standing and leaning over to get a good view of something (he says stack, others say cards) is not normal.

These 2 things alone are "evidence"

Remember evidence is different to proof.

However imo it's enough to put forward an accusation.