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06-21-2023 , 02:03 PM
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06-21-2023 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by namisgr11
"compensate him for injury"

I know it's boilerplate language, but at the moment I struggle to discern any financial injury Kabrhel may have experienced from these concerns and accusations.
His biggest claim is compensation for injury

That is injury to his reputation.

Whatever you think of this case and Kabrhel, imagine this happened to someone innocent [obs on the 'evidence' in this case I believe that is Kabrhel - but if you don't imagine it was someone you believe has been wronged]... then these false accusations [which have snowballed to include things like this thread] - have severely injured his reputation.

Even if the defendants believed what they said, the action of saying those things was reckless and they would have known the damage it would do.

And that is the injury he will seek compensation for.

Obs if you think he is a cheater... you won't think he deserves it. But if you instead shift this to a hypothetical case with someone who is innocent of the accusations... then you will understand how much these tweets and comments have damaged the aggrieved party.
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06-21-2023 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hubertusfox
love to see him humilating himself with that nit puss loser fold and than even been wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3lXWAKrKCc see at 0:55 of course the money means a lot to him. he is the washed up scamer that he is of course.
hhaahha wtf is this hand.
and an 11 minute tank to end it amazing.
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06-21-2023 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Murdoc
Just by reading your post i know i would much rather hang out with Kabrehl than you lol. You cant just start banning people because you dont like them or they are annoying to you bud
Sure, you can say that now, but I would like to see your face after 1hr with Martin at the table. It gets really old really fast. I did not say he should be banned from WSOP, all I said was I agree with Dwan and Negreanu that if I was running a tournament, I would not want him in if he did not correct his behavior which is every organizers right.
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06-21-2023 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
Let's go over this again

Lots of big names who play with him say they've seen marked cards
He appears to mark cards based on tv footage
He spends ages trying to look really closely at his opponents' cards
He appears to do well live where he does awfully online
He makes some plays which can only reasonably be interpreted as him knowing what his opponent has

Sure, it's most likely he's not cheating. Just because you see a stripey horse, that doesn't mean it's a zebra. Maybe it's a horse that's been painted that way. Until we get definitive proof it's a zebra, let's just assume it's a painted horse.
Say they’ve seen marked cards… but where are they? Amazing how no definitive case of marked cards exists yet pros are all saying that they saw it happened. Where’s the evidence???
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06-21-2023 , 02:44 PM
I have a feeling eccentric, colorful behavior was way more common back in the smoke filled days of Doyle Brunson’s supremacy in the 1970s-1980s. Those games were filled with loud, colorful characters. It’s only in todays game, bunch of stoic boring GTO bots (snooze fest) that someone with color and personality rocks the boat, to the point Dan Smith is practically crying.
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06-21-2023 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
I have a feeling eccentric, colorful behavior was way more common back in the smoke filled days of Doyle Brunson’s supremacy in the 1970s-1980s. Those games were filled with loud, colorful characters. It’s only in todays game, bunch of stoic boring GTO bots (snooze fest) that someone with color and personality rocks the boat, to the point Dan Smith is practically crying.
Presumably people also cheated in those games at a higher rate as well
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06-21-2023 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
I have a feeling eccentric, colorful behavior was way more common back in the smoke filled days of Doyle Brunson’s supremacy in the 1970s-1980s. Those games were filled with loud, colorful characters. It’s only in todays game, bunch of stoic boring GTO bots (snooze fest) that someone with color and personality rocks the boat, to the point Dan Smith is practically crying.
My guess is back in those days, this guy wouldn't last one tournament/cash game acting like this.
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06-21-2023 , 03:10 PM
Yes, listen to the “Posts: 9” who just created a screen name. His views are paramount.
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06-21-2023 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Popetman
His biggest claim is compensation for injury

That is injury to his reputation.

And that is the injury he will seek compensation for..
Like I wrote before. I don't see injury to his reputation having had financial repercussions. At least, not yet, despite they guy having been called a probable cheater long before this Super High Roller took place. Unless you can make a case for him to have lost compensation specifically because of some one's allegation, you're just speculating blind.
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06-21-2023 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosines11
My guess is back in those days, this guy wouldn't last one tournament/cash game acting like this.
Nah, he’d fit right in. It wasn’t stoic GTO play in those days, like at all.
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06-21-2023 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
Say they’ve seen marked cards… but where are they? Amazing how no definitive case of marked cards exists yet pros are all saying that they saw it happened. Where’s the evidence???
The evidence is a number of high stakes pros saying they've seen it. That counts as evidence. I don't know what happens to the cards after they stop being used. Are you suggesting it's somehow the player's responsibility to keep a hold of suspect cards after they're taken out of circulation?
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06-21-2023 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Nah, he’d fit right in. It wasn’t stoic GTO play in those days, like at all.
How long do you think Brunson or Reese would put up with his crap
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06-21-2023 , 04:06 PM
I am watching the Polk interview with Kabrhel. Doug asked if anyone told the floor they thought he was marking the card. Wouldn't you notify the floor as soon as you see it? I am not really sure what to think of the guy. I ran a group home with people who had severe autism and when I first saw the videos from the 250k game, I thought that guy is autistic and has a lot of tics. Also, people with autism don't generally understand social cues and don't know they are aggravating. But perhaps that is not a good defense. He was annoying for sure. But I think Hellmuth is annoying but no one talks about banning him.

I would think going forward WSOP will have to address the antics right away with him, and tell him that if he cannot follow the rules given he cannot play.
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06-21-2023 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt_PBA
I am watching the Polk interview with Kabrhel. Doug asked if anyone told the floor they thought he was marking the card. Wouldn't you notify the floor as soon as you see it? I am not really sure what to think of the guy. I ran a group home with people who had severe autism and when I first saw the videos from the 250k game, I thought that guy is autistic and has a lot of tics. Also, people with autism don't generally understand social cues and don't know they are aggravating. But perhaps that is not a good defense. He was annoying for sure. But I think Hellmuth is annoying but no one talks about banning him.

I would think going forward WSOP will have to address the antics right away with him, and tell him that if he cannot follow the rules given he cannot play.
not sure if they told the floor about marking cards. it seemed like most of them thought he was cheating but were too gutless to actually come out and say it.
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06-21-2023 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Nah, he’d fit right in. It wasn’t stoic GTO play in those days, like at all.
So is this about your disdain for the current GTO bots packed in high rollers or is about Martin? I can't stand Dan smith and many of those guys crying after the fact while seemingly being incapable of nailing down any actual evidence. But it seems like we're running at a near 100% rate of people who have actually played with him who describe him as insufferable at the table.

This also isn't a court of law. In a $250k event if there is even 1 rec (Brandon Steven?) complaining then its get your act together or expect a ban. This isn't just about geeks like Bonomo and Dan Smith looking to block a guy who is showing some personality. He seems annoying as hell in every clip.
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06-21-2023 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
The evidence is a number of high stakes pros saying they've seen it. That counts as evidence. I don't know what happens to the cards after they stop being used. Are you suggesting it's somehow the player's responsibility to keep a hold of suspect cards after they're taken out of circulation?
Which cards were taken out of circulation that were confirmed marked by him?

And absolutely if people are going to be accusing him of marking cards, then he has the right to know which specific cards he supposedly marked and why nothing was done at the time. He made it all the way to the top 3 without ant tournament staff finding any cards that he had marked. Unless they did and just didn’t say anything? Which seems very unsual.
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06-21-2023 , 04:40 PM
One accusation that I think has a perfectly good explanation is the cards sticking to his finger. Do you see his hair? He runs his hands through that one time and it would be like working in axle grease all day.
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06-21-2023 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
hhaahha wtf is this hand.
and an 11 minute tank to end it amazing.
and this is why the players dont acuse him to his face
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06-21-2023 , 04:56 PM
This years Will Kassouf, the pros (particularly crybaby Benger) didnt like him either because of his tactics and its the same with Kahbrel.

Im Team Kahbrel until proper evidence is produced.
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06-21-2023 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt_PBA
... I think Hellmuth is annoying but no one talks about banning him.

I would think going forward WSOP will have to address the antics right away with him, and tell him that if he cannot follow the rules given he cannot play.
Talking strictly as a punter watching them on youtube - not as someone regularly entering tournaments (much less high stakes tournaments), but I think Kabrhel is entertaining and enjoyable to watch, and Hellmuth is insufferable.

I would watch way more poker if every tournament had a couple people like Kabhrel in them and 0 people like Hellmuth.
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06-21-2023 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Murdoc
Just by reading your post i know i would much rather hang out with Kabrehl than you lol. You cant just start banning people because you dont like them or they are annoying to you bud
He's annoying to everyone he plays with.
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06-21-2023 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
I have a feeling eccentric, colorful behavior was way more common back in the smoke filled days of Doyle Brunson’s supremacy in the 1970s-1980s. Those games were filled with loud, colorful characters. It’s only in todays game, bunch of stoic boring GTO bots (snooze fest) that someone with color and personality rocks the boat, to the point Dan Smith is practically crying.
Yeah, I'm torn... from a fan/spectator standpoint, I enjoyed the little "highlight reel" of Kabrhel's table antics that WSOP or PokerGo released. I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one, but I did find it entertaining. However, if I was a player at the table – especially if I was short-stacked or stuck – his shtick would get old fast. So I can understand both sides of it.

Hell, the famous HSP hand with Jamie Gold and Sammy Farha was televised poker gold for viewers, but if I was a player stuck in that game, I'd be the first to shout "GET ON WITH IT" like that scene in Monty Python And The Holy Grail. Again, different from my seat here.

Still, it's pretty funny to see on 2+2. "Remember Humberto Brenes' shark and Tony G's 'get on your bike'... poker was so much better back in the 2000s!" and "Now it's nothing but guys in hoodies and headphones, it's booooring." But then present a player engaging in some actual table talk, and it becomes "boooo, terrible for the game, throw him into a hole with Dennis Rader and Terry Nichols and the Subway Guy!"

Anyway, still awaiting the results of the investigation. Does anyone know what happens to the used cards after a tourney? Are they repackaged as souvenirs or something? Hell, I still don't know what cards he supposedly dug his fingernails into in that one clip.
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06-21-2023 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BeholdaPaleHorse
I'm telling you, he is not cheating. The guy is rich rich and has no motive. He is not some schmuck wanna be, he is a genius with multiple high earning businesses.
Cheating makes zero sense in his case. He is pretending that he is cheating to gain advantage, it absolutely fits his sociopath personality.
Rich has nothing to do with it. Its ego. I play golf occasional with a guy worth 100 million and he cheats to win a $5.00 Nassau.
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06-21-2023 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Does anyone know what happens to the used cards after a tourney?
My money would be on straight to landfill, or maybe an incinerator
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