Doug live with Durr

Examples of this (e.g. time stamps)? That's pretty interesting if true, as is the comment that Kabrhel was the only one to ask for a new setup.

I haven't followed this too closely, but from what I've gathered so far in the page and a half of this thread plus the videos Doug Polk and S4Y put out, there are three moments that supposedly serve as evidence/indications of cheating. In the parentheses are questions I have.

1. The infamous fingernail push when folding a hand. (What were the cards in this hand, and did they come up in a subsequent hand involving Kabrhel later in the tourney?)

2. The stand up and stare moment he did with DeCarolis. (Did he do this in other hands and if so, what were the opponent's holdings?)

3. The four-bet bluff with KQ against Martirosyan. (Did he have other bluff raises, and did they coincide with supposedly marked cards?)

Anyway, I don't have the bias against Kabrhel that others clearly do. I haven't seen him in many events, and his behavior in this event was neither here nor there to me. In other words, I don't even really get the descriptions of Martin being annoying. So this is probably also allowing me to give him the benefit of the doubt that others won't give him.

Getting evidence can be difficult, and if you and others who play high stakes games have seen things with your own eyes, and the authorities aren't doing anything about it, you have both the right and the duty to protect yourself and the people you're playing with by going public at the right time with allegations. It's not irresponsible to want to protect yourself from cheating when there's that much money on the line.

I really hate that he's pulling the autistic card. On behalf of all ASD, no, being an a$$hole is not a function of ASD.

the thing about it, for most of us live players, is that this technique of marking the cards is nearly a daily occurrence.

I am constantly checking for marks and wrinkles and while I don't always find any marking, occasionally I do find some and immediately inform the dealer for replacement.

in this case, we have some video evidence.

many folks seem to make the claim that if he was BLATANTLY marking cards, that would be stupid... maybe he is just bad at it.

cheating? maybe.

pretending to cheat? yes, confirmed, obv why he might do this, def deserves a form of punishment. (nobody found the marked cards)

It's a fundamental part of good poker to be able to identify and leverage your image against opponents to maximize EV. Of course he's gonna lean into it.

Angling is not cheating.

The idea of letting the super high roller community of <50 people(all buddied up in different cliques swapping pieces)vote to cast out outsiders they don't want to play against is moronic.

If you're a habitual angler you can 100% get banned, though. Playing the WSOP is not a right.

he outplayed the boring nerds, now they want him banned

I support him 100% and will stage a (probly 1-man) protest if wsop ban him

Correct

We are all Martin Kabrhel

can you put your cards over the reader, collect them and then use your hands to cover them with lets say one corner showing? I am tempted sometimes because I have seen marked cards in shady establishments, this is how I try to combat it

Make that 2 man. I'll stand by you... you can count on me... unless there is a free buffet going on somewhere nearby.

Allen Kessler is that u?

Chance Kornuth posted a long tweet explaining that while he doesn’t believe Kabrhel is cheating now, he thinks Kabrhel is leveraging his reputation and exaggerating his behavior to make people believe he is cheating, and thus gain an advantage, as opponents will be unlikely to bluff him if they think it’s possible he knows their cards.

Further, Chance thinks that Kabrhel should be *banned* for this. Insanity.

400 IQ confirmed, then.

To be fair, if a player were repeatedly acting as suspiciously as Kabrhel is as any casino game besides poker, they would almost certainly be trespassed even without any hard evidence of cheating.

Ha... I like Chance trying to come up with a reason to not have to apologise for going along with the witch hunt.

Eugene Todd had some run-in with security a while back due to the way he was squeezing his cards. They thought he was trying to mark them, but it was just some habit from baccarat or something like that. I can't remember the particulars, but he recalled the episode on PokerRoad Radio way back when.

So yeah, casinos certainly will give a crook-eye at anything they deem suspicious, even if it's nothing.

That was Scotch’s guess

Khrabel had these guys seeing boogeymen

I think it's insanity to think that someone was intentionally trying to appear to be cheating (which is basically the most favorable way you can look at his actions) and then NOT want that person banned. If someone has a long history of intentionally performing the exact actions that someone would perform if they were cheating then I think a ban is more than reasonable.

lmao love the cope. as no evidence emerges of cheating, people are now arguing for making them think he was cheating— again with no evidence that he was trying to convince people/pretend he was cheating.

In regards marking the cards:

The idea that every player at the table - didn't at one point [or more] in the 10 hours of footage make some movement with their hands on the cards that could be seen as cheating... or as we are now calling it, pretending to cheat [to... err gain an advantage]... is ludicrous

You can't just look at one person and pretend one or two actions - in 10 hours... equals 'pretending' to cheat.

It's silly

It's disingenuous

So far there's not been any proof or evidence of cheating. And changing the accusation to - 'he was pretending to cheat' - to get out of this is pathetic. The pros should stand by what they said, or apologise... but for what they said to now mean something different - is just laughable.

Anyway... unless there is going to be any evidence come out - it seems a lot of players owe Kabrhel an apology.

They may end up owing him more than just an apology.