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Mars from HCL accused of cheating Nik Airball et al. in home games (Mars statement post #87) Mars from HCL accused of cheating Nik Airball et al. in home games (Mars statement post #87)

12-06-2023 , 02:49 PM
The screenshot translation is jibberish. Anytime a translation from Chinese is poor it's pointed out that the construction doesn't lend itself to literal translation, but then no actual translation is offered. What were they actually saying?
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12-06-2023 , 04:25 PM





MOFFOOOOOOSSSSS, leave WES ALONNNNEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

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12-06-2023 , 05:05 PM
This dude is making this stuff up ! dont you think ?

How stupid mars should be to call wes this morning and to confess all this **** over the phone and have wes to record him ? lol 😂

This guy is threatening people and accusing them of being murderers on public forum such as X

This behavior and over reaction he is showing is cause this kid lost millions and he got nothing to loose even if it cost his image look bad in public



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Originally Posted by lwlee





MOFFOOOOOOSSSSS, leave WES ALONNNNEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

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12-06-2023 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SatanicNuttz
This dude is making this stuff up ! dont you think ?

How stupid mars should be to call wes this morning and to confess all this **** over the phone and have wes to record him ? lol 😂

This guy is threatening people and accusing them of being murderers on public forum such as X

This behavior and over reaction he is showing is cause this kid lost millions and he got nothing to loose even if it cost his image look bad in public
NEVER DOUBT WESTSIDE WESLEY! He's willing to DIE for the POKER COMMUNITY!!
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12-06-2023 , 05:33 PM
Folks out here stealing pig-killing dishes. What has the world come to.
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12-06-2023 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
it's so adorable you chimed without understanding that any private game that is run for profit is illegal
Thanks, feeling cute today
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12-06-2023 , 07:33 PM
For everyone who missed the twitter updates



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12-06-2023 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GustavGanz
For everyone who missed the twitter updates



Good lord, what a bunch of children.
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12-06-2023 , 07:35 PM
Based Wesley.
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12-06-2023 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GustavGanz
For everyone who missed the twitter updates



Only commenting on this rubbish since on 3rd bottle of wine. French clown watched too much Netflix, the emo queen is not very intelligent per se.
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12-06-2023 , 09:36 PM
There's precedent for Mars winning Global Poker Award at this years ceremonies, so that'll be cool
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12-06-2023 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SatanicNuttz
Twitter Spaces are cooking ATM ! join the discussion ��

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyGBnzYQzzGN?s=20
Any way to watch a replay?
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12-06-2023 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Noobtard
So far Mars and Ryusuke are the only players with proof of any scams. I doubt we will be seeing them again on HCL anytime soon.

Ryusuke played on LATB + PokerGo, so it's not just HCL that has given scammers the opportunity to play.

For players like Wesley and Mikki who have been accused of scamming and may well have, there's no solid proof or accusations against them as far as I know.

It seems kind of ironic as most professional players would probably dream of having these whales at the table in their local casino.
Well hcl and streams in general could try vetting potential players a little better
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12-06-2023 , 10:33 PM
Arnaud Mattern involved? Seems very random/out of place here. Also he is now a dealer at the Wynn?!

My first ever WSOP event was a 5K with Arnaud directly to my left. (and david baker, Barry greenstein the next 2 over, sigh).
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12-06-2023 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Well hcl and streams in general could try vetting potential players a little better
The bigger the streams get in terms of buy ins the smaller the pool of players they have to pick from. Tons of people who dump big money in big games are super shady but if they get ratings they're not getting turned away for the most part.
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12-06-2023 , 10:50 PM


Apparently Doug spoke to Zeo/Wes. So new info in the video.

Last edited by lwlee; 12-06-2023 at 10:57 PM.
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12-07-2023 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wal_mbn
Arnaud Mattern involved? Seems very random/out of place here. Also he is now a dealer at the Wynn?!

My first ever WSOP event was a 5K with Arnaud directly to my left. (and david baker, Barry greenstein the next 2 over, sigh).

Hello , like Arnaud Mattern I am french.
I can guarantee you 100% that he got caught cheating redhanded in a private game in France : He had cards in his sleeves . There are multiple witnesses. Many french regulars from Paris know about it.
And I am not mentionning cheating allegations in other countries like for example Malta.
In this situation with Wesley I don't know if he did anything but Arnaud Mattern is a well known cheat.

Last edited by Floki; 12-07-2023 at 03:14 AM.
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12-07-2023 , 03:53 AM
To play devils advocate, if he’s so well known as a cheat then why was a burner account required to post baseless claims without supporting evidence?
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12-07-2023 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
To play devils advocate, if he’s so well known as a cheat then why was a burner account required to post baseless claims without supporting evidence?
Because when you come public at cheaters , they try everything they can to hurt you. It happened to several french people who got ambushed because they reported the infamous 1,6 million € cheating at Partouche Poker Tour Cannes 2009 by Jean-Paul Pasqualini and Cedric Rossi where they signaled to eachother their hands during a final table and finished 1st and 2nd for 1 million € and 600k€ , after this victory Pasqualini won multiple sponsorship for Full Tilt and Unibet.

The cheating in video here: their code is Head = Ace, Front = King, Eye = Queen , Nose = Jack , Mouth = Ten, Neck = Nine Eight, Arm = small pair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Cs...l=NordineBouya

Last edited by Floki; 12-07-2023 at 05:15 AM.
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12-07-2023 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
To play devils advocate, if he’s so well known as a cheat then why was a burner account required to post baseless claims without supporting evidence?
Coming back at Arnaud Mattern, (who was a pokerstars team pro in the past) , it is difficult to bring proofs with live cheating because you need to film them in the act, and also in France when someone get caught cheating there is little to no communication from the casinos or poker organisations. Usually the player is banned in silence and is never exposed in the medias.

LivePoker.fr (one of the french biggest poker media) made a news about the Wesley accusations and in the last part they mention Arnaud Mattern reputation, this is what they say :

"Arnaud is innocent until proven guilty, we hope he is innocent. But the fact, that he was involved in a similar scandal kept behind closed doors but known by the entire Paris poker sphere, does not help his case. 5 years ago, the poker group "entram's" that gather 100 poker regulars from paris caught him with cards in his sleeves and decided to ban him."

Source : https://www.livepoker.fr/actualites3...tourmente.html


Last edited by Floki; 12-07-2023 at 05:22 AM.
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12-07-2023 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Well hcl and streams in general could try vetting potential players a little better
This is true, but as Borg23 said these shady players are bringing in the views.

I guess a boycott may cause them to step up their game on vetting people.

Yesterday they hosted Adam22 who has had some deplorable accusations against him in the last year.
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12-07-2023 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SatanicNuttz
This dude is making this stuff up ! dont you think ?

How stupid mars should be to call wes this morning and to confess all this **** over the phone and have wes to record him ? lol 😂

This guy is threatening people and accusing them of being murderers on public forum such as X

This behavior and over reaction he is showing is cause this kid lost millions and he got nothing to loose even if it cost his image look bad in public
You obviously know nothing about private games let alone anyone that plays in them.
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12-07-2023 , 07:10 AM
Probably some truth to the things Wes are saying but the dude seems very low intelligence. Not surprised if he has been involved in pump and dump crypto schemes to boost his wealth either. Feels like a scammer/lowlife who now feels like there is nothing to lose by trying to throw other scammers under the bus.
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12-07-2023 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
https://postimg.cc/mz4JnMv7
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12-07-2023 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
The bigger the streams get in terms of buy ins the smaller the pool of players they have to pick from. Tons of people who dump big money in big games are super shady but if they get ratings they're not getting turned away for the most part.
Exactly. They are producing a poker TV show, not an ethics/morality lecture.
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