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04-19-2012 , 01:27 PM
Anyone else annoyed by this ?
http://quadjacks.com/2012/04/18/why-...-a-good-thing/
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04-19-2012 , 01:38 PM
Yes, Black Friday was annoying.
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04-19-2012 , 01:41 PM
yah that guy is on a rant, I dont agree with it
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04-19-2012 , 01:49 PM
I agree to an extent, but that's easy for me to say as someone who lost very little and didn't stake my livelihood on poker.
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04-19-2012 , 01:50 PM
Not sure how I felt about that.
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04-19-2012 , 02:00 PM
He makes some good points. And it's really FTP/UB&AP's fault for stealing everyone's money.
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04-19-2012 , 02:01 PM
Although I think his post comes from a good place it is absolute trash, even his writing style is aimed at his ego and not his target audience. It is so very purposely wordy; could he try any harder to sound smart?

and then this:
“I’m a strong believer that online poker is something that should be legal and accessible in this country, but I am not comfortable with a company doing whatever it takes to offer it.” Marco Valerio. This line is disgusting for a few reasons;

For one, not too long ago his site was covered with banners for Carbon Poker. So you are not “comfortable with a company doing whatever it takes to offer” poker but you are comfortable taking money from them when you need it? Are you still getting affiliate payments or are you rejecting these out of principle?

Secondly we have established he doesn't like companies doing whatever it takes to offer online poker but what about companies that do whatever it takes to stop it? There are so many good people pushing for regulation but they can’t accomplish anything without walking side by side with the same companies/people that lobbied to make it illegal and sheepishly slipped an act into a bill that they knew nobody could vote against (who could vote against port security).

Let’s not kid ourselves the companies that stand to benefit the most from legislation are motivated by the same thing as the ones he just vilified and it’s not player safety. Regulation can be good but it’s no guarantee and there is no shortage of “morally reprehensible charlatans” that have their hands in the cookie jar. Remember people get ripped off in regulated markets every day.
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04-19-2012 , 02:04 PM
I'm annoyed that I wasted 30 seconds of my life trying to figure out how someone who writes so poorly may be viewed as an opinion-maker in the poker community.

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The Department of Justice remains a more detested foe to the American poker community than either Full Tilt Poker or UB. One year later, chants of “F**k the DOJ” will still elicit as much approval as they did on April 15, 2011. An enormous component of our community, from dedicated grinders to recreational players, still wishes that Black Friday had never happened. That way, they would still be playing online poker the way they liked to, right here in this country, with their bankrolls intact!
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04-19-2012 , 02:15 PM
Many things wrong with that opinion piece. Not surprising considering Marco has claimed he's not really a poker player from what I remember.

So when he says "we are better off without the dictatorship of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and UB/Absolute Poker" the "we" that are better off post BF may need to be clarified.



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04-19-2012 , 02:22 PM
He's not ranting about Youtube view botting anymore? He must have moved on to world hunger issues.
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04-19-2012 , 02:28 PM
What a bunch of meaningless drivel.
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04-19-2012 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ecgruen
Although I think his post comes from a good place it is absolute trash, even his writing style is aimed at his ego and not his target audience. It is so very purposely wordy; could he try any harder to sound smart?
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Although I think his post was only written to get traffic on that ****ty site , it is absolute trash, even his writing style is aimed at his ego and not his target audience. It is so very purposely wordy; could he try any harder to sound smart?
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04-19-2012 , 03:18 PM
Easy for someone that doesn't even play poker or has no money tied up to say.
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04-19-2012 , 03:37 PM
I think that while UB/Stars/FTP are certainly shady companies that took advantage of the situation and built a virtual monopoly, had the UIEGA never been passed in the first place, the opportunity never would have arisen. Thus I think it's reasonable to place most of the responsibility for the situation with the US government. Prohibition does not work.
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04-19-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ecgruen
Although I think his post comes from a good place it is absolute trash, even his writing style is aimed at his ego and not his target audience. It is so very purposely wordy; could he try any harder to sound smart?

and then this:
“I’m a strong believer that online poker is something that should be legal and accessible in this country, but I am not comfortable with a company doing whatever it takes to offer it.” Marco Valerio. This line is disgusting for a few reasons;
I don't know him personally, but I don't think English is his first language. I didn't find it too bad of a piece.

Absolute trash is a bit harsh.....

Haters gonna hate, go do something productive.

Thanks for bringing us quadjacks Marco, the Howard interview at the restaurant could have been better though
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04-19-2012 , 04:55 PM
Just posted the following comment:

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Could not disagree more.

1) Regarding Stars, FTP, and UB as equals is ridiculous. When was UB ever regarded as a benign despot? Even before the super user scandal it held a very low position on the poker ladder of respect. Stars on the other hand has been a perfectly run poker company, and it’s a huge shame that Americans can’t play there any more. Lumping them together is flat out absurd.

2. You conclude that the DoJ is not responsible for FTP’s insolvency because of how little money they had on 4/14/2011. The DoJ had already taken many many millions from FTP long before Black Friday. It’s very obvious that FTP would still be in business had the DoJ never frozen any of their bank accounts.

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“If they could bring themselves to do something other than sit at a computer and blame the government for everything, many more people in the American poker community would be making the best of what has actually become an amazing opportunity to reinvent and restore online poker in the United States for the benefit of the American population.”
A) What group of people are you depicting here sitting in front of the computer blaming the government? Either way, you’re trivializing the value of poker as entertainment or a career.

B) Making the best of it? What does that mean to you? Petitioning congressmen to get our way? Sure, if you want to do that, I have respect for you, but to conclude that equates to “making the best” of Black Friday begs quite a few questions. “Amazing opportunity” is quite the hyperbole.

C) The government actually is to blame. Come on. DoJ has to cite the 1970 wire act as the only thing declaring INTERNET poker to be illegal, issues major indictments and then says, “Whoops, turns out the 1970 bill does NOT mention internet gambling. Our mistake, but we’re keeping the money.” Also lol BillFristAndTheSafePortActaments. What country do we live in where 1970 bill + Safe Port Act = online poker is illegal? They should have just taxed and regulated it from the beginning, they’d have their money, we’d have our freedom, and everyone would be happy. Instead, Stars et all were one logical step away from being entrapped into committing bank fraud.

4. The light at the end of the tunnel here is much worse than the status quo of poker in 2010. State segregated player pools will never capture what it was like to play on PokerStars against anyone in the entire world. I hate to break it to you, but we’re not headed in a great direction, and yes, the government is to blame.
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04-19-2012 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Just posted the following comment:
solid

Last edited by allthegold; 04-19-2012 at 05:19 PM. Reason: meant solid to the quoted post above*
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04-19-2012 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
4. The light at the end of the tunnel here is much worse than the status quo of poker in 2010. State segregated player pools will never capture what it was like to play on PokerStars against anyone in the entire world. I hate to break it to you, but we’re not headed in a great direction, and yes, the government is to blame.
I 100% agree with you... though I wish I did not.
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04-19-2012 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by grdred944
I'm annoyed that I wasted 30 seconds of my life trying to figure out how someone who writes so poorly may be viewed as an opinion-maker in the poker community.
Kind of lame to attack the guy about his proficiency in english when it isn't his first language. For a non-native his english is actually pretty good.
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04-19-2012 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV
Kind of lame to attack the guy about his proficiency in english when it isn't his first language. For a non-native his english is actually pretty good.
And if this were a report for English as a second language class, I'd give him a cookie. But it is not. It is an article directed at those who speak English.
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04-19-2012 , 05:32 PM
Naive point of view with a lack of understanding about who controls the DOJ and the lawmaking.
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04-19-2012 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV
Kind of lame to attack the guy about his proficiency in english when it isn't his first language. For a non-native his english is actually pretty good.
Pretty sure he has been here since he was 9.
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04-19-2012 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by grdred944
And if this were a report for English as a second language class, I'd give him a cookie. But it is not. It is an article directed at those who speak English.
So anyone who doens't have perfect mastery of the english language shouldn't be allowed to present news related stories in any shape or form? Ok, gotcha...You can start by firing 99% of native speakers in profressional journalism, and lol @ "directed at those who speak english", his english is better than that of most americans by far.

As long as it's good enough that you can understand what he's trying to pass along, he should just be judged on content, journalistic integrity, etc...and this is where there are some problems, I agree.

Also, +1 to ZeeJ's post, it's definitely the government's fault, I can't believe how many people are giving them a free pass saying it's 100% PS and FTP's faults, but I guess that this kind of indifference to our government's third-world like level of corruption is what got us here in the first place.


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Originally Posted by ecgruen
Pretty sure he has been here since he was 9.
Hopefully that's not true, but it doens't change what I said about content and journalistic integrity.

Last edited by 2DMB2LIV; 04-19-2012 at 05:59 PM.
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04-19-2012 , 06:07 PM
while the single largest enlists Mafiosi enforcers to maintain the sketchiest flow of cash,

What's this about?
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04-19-2012 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Just posted the following comment:
Nailed it!
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