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10-02-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Not the same...

This guy plain shot himself. No other ISIS terrorist has done that.

The ISIS 'call to arms' basically asks them to become a martyr. Killing a load of people then shooting yourself is not that. Killing a load of people then getting shot by the cops is.

The fact this dude shot himself screams non-ISIS to me...
The fact you keep saying that "screams" you don't know what you are talking about. Even if you just want to limit it to possible ISIS murders in casino-hotels this year, they commit suicide at end of it.

From Manila casino massacre: "The gunman was found dead around 7 a.m. local time. "He had taken his own life by setting himself on fire followed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound," the statement said. Police confirmed he had died in a room on the fifth floor of the complex's hotel."

Google and then please stop.
10-02-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
How are those not-"hillariously awful gun laws" working out for the people of Paris that were attending another concert before being slaughtered?
10-02-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by faxanadu
I disagree with this completely.

There is a big issue with the citizens of this country in that so many wait around for someone to help them. Sometimes law enforcement are completely overwhelmed and you are left to fend for yourself. Houston & Harvey is a prime example of this. At the time Bilzerian made that video nobody knew what was going on and all kinds of possible shooters were being reported. I give Bilzerian props in that he was thinking about how he could protect himself or help put an end to a situation that for all he knew at the time could of been 10-15 psychos running around with assault weapons.
A gun is just a tool. Someone who isn't trained to deal with a situation like this saying they wished they brought their gun is about as stupid as someone who isn't a doctor saying they wished they brought a scalpel to help take bullets out of people.
10-02-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
i think you and bilzarian are the ones who watch too many movies bro

also idk why youre talking about having a concealed weapon when clearly bilzarian didnt (because he was going home to get it, and supposedly it was his AR15 that he was going to retrieve) but whatever, you've already demonstrated that youre not putting much thought into your position so have fun, gl
1. I never said he had a concealed weapon on him.
2. He never claimed he was going to get an AR15.
3. Nothing you said is factual or correct.
10-02-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroRoller
A gun is just a tool. Someone who isn't trained to deal with a situation like this saying they wished they brought their gun is about as stupid as someone who isn't a doctor saying they wished they brought a scalpel to help take bullets out of people.
Bilzerian knows how to shoot a gun. That is all that is required when a psycho approaches you or your friends with a gun. You don't need to be Seal Team 6 to responded to another person shooting a gun at you.
10-02-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
I can't help but think going to get your own weapon and return to an active shootout where there is confusion as to how many shooters there is, in anything but a police uniform is going to be +EV for your own life.

Seems like a surefire way of getting your ass shot by the nearest cop...
If you have friends pinned down at an event and you're near by are you just going to sit there a let them fend for themselves or are you going to go get your gun/car/whatever and try to help them and anyone else?

All those good samaratins driving strangers to the hospital... should they of just driven home and locked their doors?
10-02-2017 , 12:45 PM
Some people suffer from the illusion of control. Someone like Bilzerian may overestimate how much his access to a gun allows him to control his environment.

It's like how some poker players not only overestimate their skill level but also overestimate how much of a factor skill is in poker, so they go on tilt when actual results don't match the results that they would expect if they had more control over their poker environment.

If you hear gunshots, just run. (Unless you look like Michael Bennett.)
10-02-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
The fact you keep saying that "screams" you don't know what you are talking about. Even if you just want to limit it to possible ISIS murders in casino-hotels this year, they commit suicide at end of it.

From Manila casino massacre: "The gunman was found dead around 7 a.m. local time. "He had taken his own life by setting himself on fire followed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound," the statement said. Police confirmed he had died in a room on the fifth floor of the complex's hotel."

Google and then please stop.
Do you even know anything about the Manila attack? ISIS claimed responsibility but pretty much everyone and anyone has stated that it's a false claim...
10-02-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
The fact you keep saying that "screams" you don't know what you are talking about. Even if you just want to limit it to possible ISIS murders in casino-hotels this year, they commit suicide at end of it.

From Manila casino massacre: "The gunman was found dead around 7 a.m. local time. "He had taken his own life by setting himself on fire followed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound," the statement said. Police confirmed he had died in a room on the fifth floor of the complex's hotel."

Google and then please stop.
Manilla gunmen had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism despite ISIS trying to claim it.
10-02-2017 , 12:53 PM
I wouldn't trust Bilzarian or any non-professional to open fire at a crowded venue. If my friend had a gun I'd tell him to put it away.

The shooter was 300-400 yards in a hotel. What are the odds that Dan can neutralize the guy compared to the odds of missing and hitting other hotel guests? Almost certainly have more casualties by firing back.
10-02-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by faxanadu
Bilzerian knows how to shoot a gun. That is all that is required
no. Guns are pretty easy to shoot. Handguns, rifles, shotguns I've handled many. You just point it and pull the trigger. It's not rocket science. Takes about a minute to learn. A few hours of practice getting decent enough aim. That doesn't prepare you for handling yourself or your emotions in a situation where there's live gun fire and innocent people running around frantically. There's a reason people who deal with situations like this are training constantly and not just shooting paper.

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when a psycho approaches you or your friends with a gun.
that's not even close to what happened.

It looks like quite a few people without guns stayed behind to help. Dan was not one of them. Can't really blame him as most of us would do the same thing but to give him props for running away and saying he would have done something if he had a gun is kind of ridiculous.
10-02-2017 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by faxanadu
Defies common sense? If you hear automatic gunfire and have a concealed weapon ... one of the first thoughts in your head is going to be your gun.
Yeah, to pull it out and start busting a cap in the Mandalay Bay's ass, or something.

You probably shoot down hurricanes and other natural disasters as well in your spare time.

Ironic that in the older Independence Day film they show news reporters asking people to not shoot at the spacecraft. Although that line was likely there for an eye rolling amusement reaction, it certainly appears that some people actually need that type of common sense advice, even though odds are zero they will understand or follow it.
10-02-2017 , 01:06 PM
Of course it is terrorism. The political motive is the gun lobby and those who have privatized health care to the point where mentally ill can buy weapons. Those people are responsible for lots of deaths with their war on ordinary people.
10-02-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fast11375
I wouldn't trust Bilzarian or any non-professional to open fire at a crowded venue. If my friend had a gun I'd tell him to put it away.

The shooter was 300-400 yards in a hotel. What are the odds that Dan can neutralize the guy compared to the odds of missing and hitting other hotel guests? Almost certainly have more casualties by firing back.
What narrative are you on. Where did Bilzerian claim he was going to run out guns blazing at a crowded venue? Plus, no intelligent firearms owner is going to attempt to shoot a guy 30 stories up and hundreds of yards away with a pistol. Complete asinine assertion.

You need to get this movie image bouncing in your head out. The guy said he was going to his car to get his gun.... that's it. He i no way claimed he was going to get his belt fed machine gun and doing a Rambo I on Las Vegas.
10-02-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Yeah, to pull it out and start busting a cap in the Mandalay Bay's ass, or something.

You probably shoot down hurricanes and other natural disasters as well in your spare time.

Ironic that in the older Independence Day film they show news reporters asking people to not shoot at the spacecraft. Although that line was likely there for an eye rolling amusement reaction, it certainly appears that some people actually need that type of common sense advice, even though odds are zero they will understand or follow it.
There were good samartins everywhere in Houston after the hurricane carrying their guns, protecting stores, protecting neighborhoods, etc.

Your thoughts are the typical cliche non firearm owner mental image of people that responsibly own guns.
10-02-2017 , 01:13 PM
My niece was at this concert. She saw people shot right next to her and she was covered in blood.Thank God she is ok buy very tramitized.
10-02-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Mxyztplk
My niece was at this concert. She saw people shot right next to her and she was covered in blood.Thank God she is ok buy very tramitized.
Glad she's okay bud.
10-02-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Manilla gunmen had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism despite ISIS trying to claim it.
The Manilla gunman was a degenerate gambler. This guy appears to be one too. When will we start taking gambling addictions seriously in this country?

Although, based on this story I'm not sure whether he was actually gambling big or not.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/la...tified-n806471
10-02-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
I always find it odd that these stations need to bleep out people screaming “F-ck”, while watching a mass murder...
Tru dat
10-02-2017 , 01:20 PM
The media should stop printing the killer's name everywhere. I'm sure the fame is a motivation for many of the people who commit such acts. Be that a main motivation, or a secondary one. Same goes for phrases like "largest killing in US history". We don't want to make this a god damn competition.
10-02-2017 , 01:22 PM
They say the shooters father used to be on the FBI's most wanted list; he was a bank robber (if I understood that correctly) and later escaped prison. His profile said he was a psychopath with suicidal tendencies.
10-02-2017 , 01:26 PM
Can we stop derailing this with talks of Bilzerian? Take that debate to his thread
10-02-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
The Manilla gunman was a degenerate gambler. This guy appears to be one too. When will we start taking gambling addictions seriously in this country?

Although, based on this story I'm not sure whether he was actually gambling big or not.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/la...tified-n806471
im pretty well versed in mental health issues as a tbi survivor. As a long term member of the poker community pre and post tbi I still don't see the connection between gambling and this kinda thing. Gambling doesn't add up as a motive here for many reasons, imo.

Prayers for everyone, this is a disgusting event.
10-02-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
im pretty well versed in mental health issues as a tbi survivor. As a long term member of the poker community pre and post tbi I still don't see the connection between gambling and this kinda thing. Gambling doesn't add up as a motive here for many reasons, imo.

Prayers for everyone, this is a disgusting event.
Unusually and atypically high gambling stakes is a probable sign of a manic episode imo. The article made it sound like he was occasional table gamer and had just recently lost a bunch of money in high-bet scenarios. Obv info is still unstable at this point.
10-02-2017 , 01:43 PM
Assault weapons need to be outlawed. Times have changed. When they gave people the right to bear arms, you had to manually load a single bullet.

I'm not saying all guns should be banned, just assault rifles.

If they allow assault rifles, why not allow bombs?

      
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