You're not familiar with HUGE degens are you?

It seems like someone should have heard the 2 windows being hammered out or seen/heard the glass hitting the ground or the top of some roof. Would be surprised if no one called the hotel operator about the noise.

I have a feeling there are going to a lot of lawsuits over this incident especially if a hotel operator was called a decent amount of time before the shooting started.

I also have a feeling more hotels are going to have their security armed after this incident. I know now many and probably most on the strip are not armed.

These massacres will happen regardless. The worst attacks involve bombs, planes, and trucks.

I find it extremely odd that this guy had over a dozen weapons in his hotel room. That Hillary is going after the NRA within hours of the attack. That the FBI ruled out terrorism within 12 hours but cant seem to figure out Russia & Trump after a year of investigation. That the guy apparently got a hold of a fully automatic weapon. The level of planning. That this guys girlfriend just happens to be out of the country. Almost forget his FBI's most wanted father...

I remember when Snowden first popped up on the news. The FBI/NSA (with the help of the media) within hours tried to tell the world that the guy was some desk jockey, nobody important, etc. Of course, we all know now that was a complete false narrative.

Bally's had a fire that killed 85 people in 1980 and it's still there. However they did change the name of that place.

People did hear the windows being broken AND the shots and guests both called down to reach hotel security and called 911. But it's not instantaneous for it to be addressed. Police have to get there, SWAT has to get organized and hotel security is overmatched in something like this.

My issue is how no employee seemed to notice or care that this guy kept bringing all these weapons in luggage.

How would they know he had bags of guns in there?

Obv they most likely wouldn't but how many bags did the guy bring to his suite? It would seem to me that after like the 8th trip with big heavy bags it might raise a little suspicion.

Honestly I think you could fit a bunch of guns into 2 decent sized bags.

It was reported that he had ten bags. Who is going to notice if he takes 5 trips over 3 days?

Ignorant and defensive post. The murder rate in the US in the last, say 40 years, is around 6/7 times what it is in any of England, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany. The suicide rate (often forgotten in this discussion is that far more people kill themselves with guns than kill other people with guns) is also far higher in the US than it is in those countries. These are also northern countries with high depression and alcoholism rates. The difference reflects two things - in those countries it is much harder to obtain a firearm, and in those countries there is better access to mental health care.

WWII is a long time ago, and really not relevant in this discussion. We are talking about policy in peace time.

Exactly.

Probably only took him 1 or 2 bags. What interests me is that the guy supposedly checked in on the 28th or something. Did he just camp out inside the room for 4-5 days in order to make sure house keeping, room service, etc didn't ruin his plan?

Why would he need to? Put up the DND sign, and he's good to go.

No, we're talking about the restriction of firearms coinciding with the rise of fascism and communism.

Also, you can't compare insulated homogeneous countries like England and Germany to the United States. The numbers are drastically different when you don't cherry pick 1st world countries that are bordered by 1-3 more first world countries. When you look at Europe as a whole things change drastically. Diversity and poverty are vastly more correlated to gun violence than the number of guns per capita.

If you were planning a mass shooting would you risk leaving a simple sign on the door to conceal your plans? I dunno, just seems peculiar.

Did anyone here know this guy or run into him?

I know Americans love their guns, but this is getting a bit out of control. But doesn't even matter now the damage is done there is no way to take them all away. So now just need to live with the fact this can happen any time and any place in USA. And now trump is president...getting scary

Damn. Sorry for multi-posting but just wanted to quote this.

There's already quite a bit of unsourced evidence he was another homicidal Bernie Bro. Given all the evidence, I would lay 4:1 he's not a Trump supporter.

No, I probably wouldn't. It just didn't strike me as all that peculiar, as there are a range of options. The 99% safe option would be as you said, staying in the room pretty much the whole time, and I wouldn't put it past someone this disturbed to do that. But I think he'd have been about 98% safe to stick around until maids are in the hallway, pop out and ask for some towels and say that all is good, and then leave the room late in the day and/or in the evening.

Over dozens and dozens of days of leaving a DND sign on my hotel room and a 0% rate of anyone coming in my room, I think the success rate of simply leaving whenever he wanted is also high, but I'd agree not nearly high enough that I'd do it in his case, as I've heard many stories of people who had their rooms entered against their wishes.

But of course just because he was successful doesn't mean he didn't take some risks that he shouldn't have, either.

Not meaning to be a nit - I suppose you could add that to the list of things that are peculiar about this, but of course it pales in comparison to the act itself (not that you were contradicting that).

didnt mean that they were related just that nothing will change there now that he is in charge. Pretty sure he is pro nra and gun laws etc

Looks like his recent/ex-girlfriend Marilou Danley was a casino hostess in Reno. Some pics of the shooter & her in the club @ the Grand Sierra Resort.

With his dad's background, etc., be real curious about Paddock's prior professions & history. He had Belichek-level logistics in his planning & execution. A random/pissed off guy who goes to the gun range once-a-week doesn't pull this off anywhere near the level this was carried out. (Not without a ton of thought/planning/research/patience/psychotically-cool thinking/etc.)

For those of you saying that gun control laws would make not have an impact on these sort of incidents:

In Australia in 1996 a gunman shot 35 people. The then prime minister John Howard introduced a buy back scheme for guns and automatic weapons.

Since then there has not been another mass shooting in Australia.

You may have your own reasons for being anti gun control but I really do not believe that any sensible person can argue successfully against gun control laws being the only realistic answer to try and stop or lessen these kind of incidents.

Gun control laws are not the elephant in the room here they are the Tyrannosaurus Rex in the room.

You are in Vegas , home to a million differnt bells and whistles. You are in the last hour of an all day festival . Perhaps you are stoned or buzzed. You have no LEO or combat training . Lol u TROLL. Do u think b4 u post? People are supposed to recognize gunfire with music and singing etc. Grow up.

Can you share the person's name so we can verify this is true?

you are wasting your time bro, americans will never change. They dont want change. They dont really give a ****. People will send condolences and act all sad on internet, but then when it comes to actual practical changes, they will say no to all of them and will always have bunch of arguments why it cant be done. It has happened dozens of time before and it will happen again.

How about create a digital weapon resgister instead of the ridiculous paper card system that works right now? its not 1700s anymore people.
How about setting up a national mental healt system... bc mental healt should be part of health system too!
How about restricting military grade gear for civilians. Silencers, big magazines, semi autos....you dont need semi auto to hunt or protect yourself.Get a shotgun. It has a good spread (read in bull burrs voice)
How about having to do series of test (health, mental, laws, skills) before getting a legal gun?

things could be done to improve the situation, but NOTHING will happen. just watch.