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08-15-2011 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Matt, I think your a nice guy too, but maybe a little young dumb naive is what I like to call it. I don't understand why you are making statements about my online play & bankroll management since youve never watched me play online. The funny thing is I've played a lot more hands than you online. I've been playing since online poker 1st hit the internet. And if you call playing millions of hands online & depositing over 200 times & NEVER cashing anything out unless I was playing someone elses account just variance, then I think you need a stats course.

And if you think its because I don't know what I'm doing, then Id be glad to sit with you one day & play, talk strategy, if you can tell me anything I haven't heard before & if I cant break yours down & tell you exactly where you have leaks & where you could pick up edge, Id be shocked. Guys like me are the ones coming up the adaptive strategys that guys like you are reading over the forums. Has it ever crossed your mind that someone that's made millions playing poker & hasn't had a job in 10 years & wins as consistently as I do & can teach a young girl that's a right brained artist to play at a high level & win might actually know what they're talking about when it comes to poker.

Anyway, If you want to talk about online poker, lets do it outside of this thread.
Gabe, you just keep getting better and better!

I mean, assuming for a moment that you are right, and you are doomswitched and that you have deposited 200 times without cashing out.

Anyone with half a brain would have figured out that he was "doomswitched" after say 10-20 deposits. Ok, say 30 if you like. But anything beyond that ... I mean you actually deposited 30 times, never cashed out and then kept on going. Then 10 more times. And then 10 more times. Then deposited 50 more times, making it a total of 100. You know, I would wager to say that if you still didn't catch on after 100 deposits then you are a super huge moron. But you did again, and agin, and again, and again, and again, so now according to you, we're at 200 deposits.

Are you sure you have it figured out now? Perhaps you should try, oh I don't know, say another 100 times, 200 times. Because after 100 times, I guess you were'nt completely sure, just what, "pretty sure"? I mean, how many times does it take for you to be completely sure. Are you sure you're there now?

Stats course indeed.

ROFLMAO.
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08-15-2011 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by randomrules
Spoke briefly with Gabe this evening.

In the words of Antanas Guoga, he's got heart and commitment.

And he's qualified.

I'm just a small stakes 1/2NL guy, trying to build a live roll at the moment, but I'd consider taking Gabe in this match for the right price. (Caveat: I no longer play online, so I'm not sure how we'd transfer funds.)
if it happens, as i stated earlier i'm looking to put up 1k on samo to someone's 750.
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08-15-2011 , 11:39 AM
Gabe, next time you post can you add to the thread by:

1. suggesting an escrow that you trust that is reputable in the poker community

and/or

2. comment on what you think of samo's idea to get an escrow he knows personally and believes to be 100% trustworthy (that would charge zero vig)



Patiently,

ucantcme63
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08-15-2011 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by butterfly pony
lol



*TROLL ASPLODE*
Very classy...can't you at least realize that he's 1 in a million who didn't tell you to **** off to your mom's basement and say something besides "troll asplode!!! LOLOLOL"?

Pathetic...
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08-15-2011 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
And if you think its because I don't know what I'm doing, then Id be glad to sit with you one day & play, talk strategy, if you can tell me anything I haven't heard before & if I cant break yours down & tell you exactly where you have leaks & where you could pick up edge, Id be shocked. Guys like me are the ones coming up the adaptive strategys that guys like you are reading over the forums. Has it ever crossed your mind that someone that's made millions playing poker & hasn't had a job in 10 years & wins as consistently as I do & can teach a young girl that's a right brained artist to play at a high level & win might actually know what they're talking about when it comes to poker.

Anyway, If you want to talk about online poker, lets do it outside of this thread.
Wow...and you're serious, I can tell. I can't wait till Samo breaks you.
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08-15-2011 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I did put 200 on betonline a couple of days ago
lol you play $50 HU SNGs after the market closes?
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08-15-2011 , 12:26 PM
Not sure why everyone is so concerned about where we escrow money, I think we are capable of figuring out how we want to manage our own money. Ive talked to him on PM & we will work it out ourselves, Dont think its anyone's business
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08-15-2011 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Not sure why everyone is so concerned about where we escrow money, I think we are capable of figuring out how we want to manage our own money. Ive talked to him on PM & we will work it out ourselves, Dont think its anyone's business
fair enough. i agree that how you handle/manage your money is none of my business whatsoever.

i guess i was just hoping for some sort of statement saying that you have found an escrow, or at least possible escrow (given that Samo can find someone reputable immediately at 0 vig, and you have not responded to this offer)

this thread consists of Samo promptly agreeing to fly anywhere to play you for any amount, swiftly agreeing to parameters of the match, and immediately saying he can find an escrow.

i don't even know if samo has made a post in this thread that is not in regards to the match. every time you have made some sort of progress and it looks like the match will happen, samo replies promptly and politely with a relevant post. you then take 6-10 days to respond about the match, all the while posting your theories and responding to trolls daily.

i suppose i am just a bit confused as to why this is taking so long to get going, but i realize my only interest in this is entertainment (and that it's none of my business)
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08-15-2011 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I've been playing since online poker 1st hit the internet. And if you call playing millions of hands online & depositing over 200 times & NEVER cashing anything out unless I was playing someone elses account just variance, then I think you need a stats course.
It obviously looks more like proof of your poker skills than of variance.
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08-15-2011 , 12:54 PM
You do realize that this thread isnt about the match, I started this thread to shed some light on a misconstrued view of live poker. Me & SAMO playing is only an after effect of the thread. And since we weren't playing until Sept, there was no need to talk about it everyday. As far as I'm concerned you are the biggest troll on the thread
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08-15-2011 , 01:02 PM
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Don't worry, 200 deposits for sure, but most were very small deposits. I've played anywhere from .01 .02 cent to 50/100 online. Most were small stakes, just experimental trying to figure out how I was being cheated. My online play was extremely small in comparison to what I was playing & winning live. Obviously I wouldn't have continued to lose big money online if I wasn't fading it live by a large margin.

And yes it was obvious after playing for a very short period. As 90% of my big hands were set ups.
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08-15-2011 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Don't worry, 200 deposits for sure, but most were very small deposits. I've played anywhere from .01 .02 cent to 50/100 online. Most were small stakes, just experimental trying to figure out how I was being cheated. My online play was extremely small in comparison to what I was playing & winning live. Obviously I wouldn't have continued to lose big money online if I wasn't fading it live by a large margin.

And yes it was obvious after playing for a very short period. As 90% of my big hands were set ups.
And we all know that the probability of getting contextually unlucky in poker is 0.

You have proven your point. I, for one, am convinced. Good job.
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08-15-2011 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by loveinvain

Don't worry, 200 deposits for sure, but most were very small deposits. I've played anywhere from .01 .02 cent to 50/100 online. Most were small stakes, just experimental trying to figure out how I was being cheated. My online play was extremely small in comparison to what I was playing & winning live. Obviously I wouldn't have continued to lose big money online if I wasn't fading it live by a large margin.

And yes it was obvious after playing for a very short period. As 90% of my big hands were set ups.

It was obvious after a very short period and yet you went on to play millions of hands online
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08-15-2011 , 01:38 PM
this thread

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08-15-2011 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Matt, I think your a nice guy too, but maybe a little young dumb naive is what I like to call it. I don't understand why you are making statements about my online play & bankroll management since youve never watched me play online. The funny thing is I've played a lot more hands than you online. I've been playing since online poker 1st hit the internet. And if you call playing millions of hands online & depositing over 200 times & NEVER cashing anything out unless I was playing someone elses account just variance, then I think you need a stats course.
I say this in all sincerity: I agree, that is not variance. However I don't think it's doomswitching, which leaves a 3rd possibility.
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08-15-2011 , 07:27 PM
Just wanted to give an example of what I am talking about when it comes to online poker, I put $200 on betonline, Run like god with the normal honeymoon new account rungood. Run it up to 4k , Literally can't lose a hand. Then log into today which is the 3rd day & I get put all in preflop playing for 100bb with 33 when I have AA. Well not only did one 3 hit, but two 3s hit for quads, Simoultaneously on another table Im being dealt AK clubs 3 handed. Flop K35 with 2 clubs. A non club deuce on the river, You can imagine what the other guy has. 30 seconds later on another table A9s button, 4 handed, sb flats, A35 flop, He has AQ. Anyway within 10 minutes I've taken more bad beats than the previous 3 of playing put together. A literal bombshell of 2nd best hands all at once. I've seen this story before. If I continue to play, It will be gone in a few hours. The honeymoon is over.
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08-15-2011 , 07:40 PM
^^^ proves you absolutely have no idea what variance is which is why your statement of saying "i played millions of hands" is discredited.

it does not prove anything else.
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08-15-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls
^^^ proves you absolutely have no idea what variance is which is why your statement of saying "i played millions of hands" is discredited.

it does not prove anything else.

So everytime I open a new online account, I should win 100% of the time on the 1st day, hit the majority of my hands in the 1st 2 hours & then get colddecked on days 3 & to infinity everytime in a predictable pattern. Is that what variance is?
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08-15-2011 , 07:54 PM
no he's saying your bad beat stories don't prove anything. i've had plenty of friends lose on new accounts. maybe you're just on fire great for the first couple days always. or maybe it can be explained away by the fact that it wasn't you?

edit: oops meant "maybe you're just on fire or playing great for the first couple of days"
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08-15-2011 , 08:06 PM
Is this real life?
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08-15-2011 , 08:07 PM
I also forgot to mention as hot as I was the first day, I never flopped a set, I did hit my first today, 44 on KQ4 board, believe was 4 handed, I was against KK. Also flopped trips in the BB aginst trips with an ace. These were all within 15 to 20 minutes of the others
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08-15-2011 , 08:09 PM
Gabe, I think it becomes a mental thing, you're expecting to win the first couple of days and the moment you run bad you just fulfill your expected result by probably tilting like crazy.

How about trying to run good now instead of proving to yourself that it's a helpless cause since you're now doomswitched.

I saw this once and thought you might enjoy it.



Anyway, I know you're pretty convinced that what you're saying is true but there are too many good players that run good consistently (over the long run) to support your argument.
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08-15-2011 , 08:10 PM
A friend of mine got set vs set yesterday at live poker. Def rigged
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08-15-2011 , 08:11 PM
Was trying to get hand histories to post, but evidently on betonline you have to save it on each individual table everytime you play, there is no option to click save all & I was told if I didn't click it before hand there was no way to retrieve them.
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08-15-2011 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I also forgot to mention as hot as I was the first day, I never flopped a set, I did hit my first today, 44 on KQ4 board, believe was 4 handed, I was against KK. Also flopped trips in the BB aginst trips with an ace. These were all within 15 to 20 minutes of the others
gabe i've only been 1 outted 3 times in my life and they were all during live poker. i don't automatically assume it's because live poker is rigged. like someone else said, you see what you want to see and self-fulfilling prophecies do exist. maybe you are right, but the fact is you don't have anything remotely close to "statistical" proof and love to mention statistics.
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