I wouldn't get too excited yet. I can definitely see Gabe trying to back out of this still when/if he talks to samo, and wouldn't be at all surprised if he's conveniently unavailable for a long period of time.

Yes, it's good that he has agreed to do it, but agreeing to do it and doing it are obv 2 different things. Like 8348234968 people have agreed to HU4ROLLZ on 2+2, yet I can't think of more than 6 or 7 that have actually happened.

plzzzzz....whenever you have time, links to the ones that have actually happened?

Ya, I sure do hope they raise the debt ceiling today, I might get a margin call & have to put the 40k in.

Well, Here's one that pertains a bit to this thread.


Also, there has been AEJones vs Taylor Caby and Bryn Kenney, (think he lost to Caby, beat Bryn).

HIV vs The mod I can't remember for the life of me(was gonna KARAOKE4ROLLZ me). HIV got crushed.

I'm sure there are more.

irony is the best

Just read that whole thread, wow. epic. gg

OK, this sounds fine to me. 15/30, minimum stacks of 150BB, maximum stacks of 500BB. In both cases, the rebuy is to 250BB. I'm fine with buying decks at a random store together. We just have to find and agree on someone to deal now. ... Since you are the one who wants not to play in a casino, will you suggest a venue and dealers that will be secure and fair? Note that if you don't want to play in a casino, we will also have to incur some costs for security.

EDDtown, I think that both of us have indicated that we would like to minimize the effects of luck in this match. As such, will you agree to this suggestion by FoxwoodsFiend?

it will probably be done in this or a separate thread (linked in here i'm sure) once a date is set for the match and all of the details of how it will be played are worked out.


glad to see it may happen, props to Gabe if it does. and obviously samo is a hero

Offer still stands. If interested, pm me your email addresses and we can discuss further.


edit: we can certainly setup webcams (i dont have any but im sure they can be purchased/donated for the cause)

So, you would cheat someone then?

Wow I am shocked it looks like we might actually have a match.

Should be interesting if it ever goes down. Webcams would make for one epic rail thread.

$40k buyin should be escrowed if they're not playing in a casino and the match played with play chips, thoughts? seems like a huge security risk to do anything else

so many massive prop bets gonna be laid down if they get webcams

While I have been among the many to criticize Gabe, I have to tip my hat for his willingness to put his money where his mouth is. Well done sir.

Isn't this more advantageous for an online so called math based player?
Not only because they will know the math/equity better of when to make "crying calls" but also it will eliminate mental stress of losing big pots which I think would make it easier to stay calm and therefor reduce live tells.

I am more interested in the debate then what they actual decide to do.

I do not see what equity chop in big pots has to do with being an "online so called math based player."

The fact that Person A knows the math/equity better than Person B gives Person A an advantage whether they deal as normal, run it twice, run it three times, do an equity chop, etc. Nothing changes just because you do equity chops instead of dealing the cards out. The only way this would change something is if one of the players doesn't realize that it shouldn't change anything and plays differently because of it thus changing his ranges.

As to the stress of losing a big pot: I suppose doing equity chops will benefit whichever person is more prone to tilting when he is losing a bunch.

Yeah, a fool and his money are soon parted. If he actually is dumb enough to show up and play then this is just a classic example of why poker is such a great game -- the suckers don't recognize the skill component and end up losing money from ego-based decisions.

The only adjustment both players could make would be to play much more aggressively and to push more marginal spots since variance would be effectively eliminated from AI situations, but being able to adjust correctly should advantage the better player, period.

It has nothing to do with online or "math-based", this is just common-sense.
Can't believe the BS live players come up with, I'm really hoping you were leveling but somehow I don't think you were.

In b4 "let's take away the check-raise because it's a treacherous play typical of online players"...

And lol @ "mental stress". Do you have any idea who Samoleus is? This guy's emotional control is rididulous and playing 15/30 he'd have to drop 50 BI's to even start getting annoyed.
If anyone is advantaged by the decreased stress, it's definitely not Samo.

What you wrote was the point I was trying to make though I fully admit you did a much better job then me at it.



I was assuming Samo “online” was the better (more knowledgeable) player and that the only way the live player could win (I don’t know this live player at all) is by making some sick reads in the short-term. Therefore anything that lessened the stress for both players would be a disadvantage more for the live player because it would make Samo near impossible to read and would mean in my humble opinion the live player (except for some super bad variance) would be drawing close to dead.

I have always assumed though perhaps totally wrong that online players are better at making the theoretical best play and live players can only compete against them by reading better and/or making more creative plays in the short-term.

"And lol @ "mental stress". Do you have any idea who Samoleus is? This guy's emotional control is rididulous and playing 15/30 he'd have to drop 50 BI's to even start getting annoyed.
If anyone is advantaged by the decreased stress, it's definitely not Samo."

I was never trying to imply that Samo would be more stressed about playing big pots. I was just trying to say that anything that reduced the stress overall for both players would make Samo harder to read.

Quartersack, thank you for your kind offer. As long as I can just get someone to vouch for you, I am happy to use your house as a venue. I very much appreciate your offer: since EDDtown is not willing to play in a casino, the logistics become a bit tougher, and I for one sincerely appreciate your offer to assist with that.

As someone else in this thread has suggested, I also think that it would be preferable to escrow the 40K and play with chips, squaring up when the match is over.

EDDtown, are you amenable to these terms and the playing terms that I suggested in my last post?

moreconfusednow and landofthefree, bicker via pm if you must continue please.

As far as the first part about being more advantageous for math based or online players, Most likely not because the same pot equity is still going to apply whether or not we did an equity chop or not.


The 2nd part of your question about big pots, There's no doubt about it, It definately does make a difference for many players, however based on the fact that Samoleus is used to playing these stakes & higher it sounds like & not risking a large percentage of bankroll, I don't think this should come into play much. The more a player is playing out of his comfort zone & bankroll, the more likely he is to give away information. And in some cases I have played with players that had virtually no shot against me because of this.


On the equity chop, I'm always for anything that will reduce luck since I think it will favor the best player.

Samoleus - Let me give some more thought as to the venue etc. I even thought about possibly having it inside a casino suite or room that way we can still have some security on premises, but it would need to be big enough & have table of some kind.