The problem is you don't acknowledge how important fundamentals are in poker compared to physical reads. Clear cut fundamental mistakes can never be overcome via tells in the long-term especially given the short stack nature of many tournament situations such as this one.

Every couple , father & son, friends etc. They all check down hands HU, I've even seen strangers meet at a table for the 1st time & agree to check it out with each other because they become friends & I could give a rats ass what they do with their money once I'm out of the pot. It's irrellevant to me.

Why would you say something this stupid?

So you think I just quit playing poker for tells or do you think as someone thats trying to create the highest ev game I try to incorporate a strategy that involves both to create an overall best strategy. Moron

Your so called "edge" gained by tells decreases as stacks get smaller, is that so hard to understand?

Ex) I think he's weak. Oh ****, he only has 10bbs and he's all in. edge nearly 100% negated as most good players have a standard range they would shove here and I highly doubt you can say, "I eliminate all solid hands from his range b/c his face twitched."

I never said you don't incorporate both, you are simply overrating things.

ladies and gentlemen, get this man a wishbone and an abandoned oil field - he can sense things!

Sense was used instead of listing specifically what it is that I actually look for since I'm not going to tell a bunch of poker players how I'm beating them.

You think that tells don't matter to this man, I can't imagine this play could be made online & be positive EV


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Qap3VT_ZY

Not checking down hands with acquaintances is much shadier in my opinion. At least people know where you stand when you check down hands. Making weird poker plays against someone you share money with allows you to basically build a false image. I'd much rather play with people who are checking down cause I know where I stand.

That's 100% correct. I run across some funny people every so often that will say something about it, but it's generally someone that's fairly new to the game & don't know any better. Anyone that's been playing for an extended period doesn't care what you do with the pot after theyre out & they apprectiate that they actually get to see that your not cheating when the cards are shown.

At the time you went allin with A5 there was no dead money in the pot.
There were still players to act, so there is nothing dead about that money.

Really deurdy, Were you there?


There was plenty dead money in the pot after I raised UTG & got called or 3 bet in 2 spots , that means antes, SB, both callers plus my bet & the squeezers money.

I knew the players behind were folding

Yeah lol, just like you knew you were a 3/2 favourite against BB..oh wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJU5...eature=related

I am just an avg player, but from what I understand, this play made by Phil Ivey is very much based on acute common sense and - it had nothing to do with live tells. Phil Ivey would have played it the same online too.

Key

^ Please enlighten me - what was the "LIVE TELL"?

No answer to this?
I guess its not convenient for you to answer since there were NO live tells.

Which I counter with this and this.

I can come up with just as many cases of "tells" gone wrong as great reads. Still waiting to hear about a tell you used to make a big fold, though, seems like all you and your girl can do is get $$$ in bad because you always think everyone is weak, (which I witnessed live).

I think most people are forgetting the obvious.

Live games are mostly 10 handed and frequently much deeper than online, also they commonly have 5-6+ huge fish in the game that like to limp from EP/overlimp LP/cold call 3 bets/make funky donks/etc.
Due to the sheer number of people that want to see a flop, this basically eliminates the ability to isolate & outplay postflop (what are you gonna do vs. 4 limpers? + 2 blinds)
So the game changes to a more honest nut-peddaling one. There's usually more than 1 sherrif on the table to prevent rampid bluffing.

Conversely, online people can multitable, see 20-30x the number of hands per hour and thus average table VPIP goes WWAAYY down. So, then the game becomes one more involved with attacking blinds, etc.

This is why the old nit at the table can still stack the young-gun who 3 bets him with AKs and cant fold to his 4 bet. Old man always shows up with KK+ and young-gun internet kid cant adjust his stacking off range for a passive table, and probably has never flat called AKs pre in his life.

wow such an awesome play...
wat
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You must be thinking of some other game. The people Gabe plays with are the best players in the world. Just ask Gabe if you don't believe me.

If you mean the fact that live players are better at reading tells that a pure internet player, probably. If you mean your contention that the best players in the world will always be a live player because of the value of those tells, that is not a fact, that is your opinion. Until there's some way to actually measure and prove it, it will continue to be your opinion rather than a fact, and not one that appears to be shared by many, at least not in this forum.

I did not push the match. I wanted to see the outcome, but otherwise posted very little about the Samo match until the end. And I find your statement that you would never play someone who insulted you to be logically ridiculous, given that you claim to be a poker professional who plays live every day. Professionals shrug off mild slights to take huge +EV spots.

And you still haven't explained your reluctance to use escrow, which AFAIK is the only stumbling block to the second match vs. another player you should have a huge edge against who DIDN'T insult you.

These are merely examples of questions or comments you have refused to answer or comment on, which is why you have garnered the nickname in this thread that you have. A nickname that I personally have not yet used to label you, despite your allegations that I am impartial and unfairly minded against you specifically.

FWIW, just because you do something unorthodox doesn't mean you're some kind of genius. I could run backwards every time someone passes me the ball, or even 5% of the time, in soccer, and it'd still be ******ed regardless of if I sometimes win. This would be especially true in the last couple minutes of a big game/tournament where we need to score to advance.

waiting for Gabe to respond to someone who disagrees with him with something more than hilarious unfounded opinion.

i think it would make the thread pretty good.

I don't think this is as crazy as most people. I frequently get reliable reads that tell me when people will not call a big bet, or conversely, that they wouldn't mind action. The main thing I look for is eye contact. For SOME people, the amount of eye contact in certain situations tells you whether they are in defensive mode, or relaxed mode. I'll elaborate more later if anyone cares.