Yeah Gabe was making a sort of standard joke terminology to describe the game that I don't think most people got. I've heard it before. Let's not let this discussion of lingo destroy the bridges we have built.

While this may be true, a 30bb open is ******ed under any circumstances in a cash game, and a classification of a game in which that is happening as a 5-10 300nl game is just as ******ed, and something I would expect from someone trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about, rather than actually knows what he is talking about.

Yea, the guy plays poker everyday and doesn't know how to describe a game, Come on Man!

Yet another case of someone acting as if they know what they are talking about, when they really don't. I played in several games at the Rio this year where there were more than a few people 10k+ deep, and still never saw a pot over 700bb's total, nor a single open bigger than 8bb's. Now, the sample size is admittedly small, but even then, 15-25 BI swings simply didn't happen unless there was a MAJOR cooler, yet Gabe "All Talk" Costner and his GF have 2 in 3 days. To say that sitting with 100bb's basically only gets you one hand, or even suggesting that there is proper strategy to opening 30bb's or even playing against it, (which is buying deep), shows you don't know what you are talking about. a person opening 30bb's is spewing, period, and at least to Gabe "All Talk" Costner's credit, he didn't say it as if it were different.

But hey, people talking about things they know little about is par for this thread.

No, it's really not common nomenclature, nor common to see 25bb+ opens. Hard to tell if you are leveling here though.

I wouldn't say it's standard but it's not uncommon in the games I play.

5-13x ($10-$25) is about standard opening raise, closer to 10x if there are limpers; but you see the $50 open from time to time. If there's a straddle/Mississippi $50 raise is pretty normal.

Oh Brother, Talking about someone not knowing what they're talking about, GEEZZZ

As usual, you don't understand even the most basic points, and also as usual, even after saying you are done with this thread at least 5 times, and responding to me in particular at least 3 times, you continue to do both. Obv it wasn't obvious to the person I was responding to, nor was THAT obv to you, which, again, is no surprise, given your advanced state of solipsism. Yet another in a string of massive fails by you, to which we can now add improper bolding and the 17125673567th case of completely misunderstanding a point in this thread.

People really used to pay you to give them financial advice and/or invest for them? Really?

Listen man, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. My post was to simply point out that the games at the Beau play much bigger then most and that winning 5k+ in a 2/5 game is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. Actually, pretty common. From what I heard about the action the 5/10 game was seeing this weekend, winning 25k was certainly possible. Did Gabe win 25k? Did Claudia win 5k? I dont know, nor do I care, but the money was on the table for it to happen.

When answering his question, I was assuming he was use to people sitting in games with 100bb stacks. My post was not meant to suggest there is a proper strategy to play against 30bb opens. Rather, by letting him know the games are usually 500bb+ deep, it makes the situation a little more clear as to whats going on (that is, the game being super deep full of people with complete disregard to money, clueless when it come to fundamentals and overall not giving a damn). I guess I shouldve explained myself a little better but I thought my answer to his question was pretty clear. So I ask you, what are you going to do when you have an idiot at the table making 30bb opens? You gonna get up and move games? Or you gonna put as much money on the table as you can? Obv I was referring to the later.

And yes, go sit with 100bb in a 1/2 or 2/5 game and you will feel out of place. Assuming no straddle, the standard opens are 7-10bb. The one hand comment was a slight exaggeration but Im pretty sure you, along with everyone else, can smell what I'm stepping in.

I'm not here to defend Gabe (I dont even know him personally) or to verify his claims. All I did was come here to shed some light on the games at the Beau. Which I did. And anyone thats spent time in the room will back up my statements, regardless of what you saw this summer at the Rio during wsop.

Oh Hai guize, he's back!

It was pretty clear when he said the games play deep, but you are operating under the common misconception that short or standard 100bb stacks are at a disadvantage in deep games with huge opens, when actually, the exact opposite is true. Now, it may or may not be more profitable than buying in deep versus terrible players opening huge depending on how well you play, but it certainly makes for many hugely +EV spots with very little skill needed. If you're going to inform the public, at least try to be right and not just restate the obvious.

Its a lost cause, This guy Daliman is a real piece of work. The NVG part of this forum is a complete joke, You can't post anything without having every word dissected & being riduculed for not laying it out in a complete nerd readable format. Amazing how some of these guys can function in the real world. I could put up with that, I know it takes all kinds but for them to be so rude & insult anyone that comes into the forum is amazing, I guess its the lack of vitamin D

says the guy who plays live poker for a living

also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V32AaQkTG58

do you think its possible you are far too sensitive? you come on here with some views that don't really fit into how most people think on this site, of course people are going to go off on you, why do you care so much? Why do you care so much that you are willing to give up an 80% spot to win 40k, that you can only keep your integrity by fighting when someone on the INTERNET speaks to you like that. That is the kind of crap I'd expect from a high school kid.

Honestly, if the reason you've returned to 2p2 is because you have some super secret or very valuable information you'd like to reveal, I wish you'd do it. Otherwise posting in NVG something that you KNOW FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE 95% OF NVG IS GOING TO DISAGREE WITH, then calling everyone idiots for disagreeing with you, is pretty LOL.

If I knew everyone was going to disagree with something that I've already discussed in the past, even if I knew I was 100% right and everyone else was 100% wrong, I'd probably say, "Those idiots aren't worth the effort," and, you know, quit trying to convince them and just content myself with the knowledge that I tried to teach some idiots, but couldn't get through to them, so **** 'em.

That's just me, though. YMMV.

I just started the thread to state a fact. I didnt realize I would be attacked personally for putting information out there that others didn't understand. But you as much as anyone pushed this match with Samo so & criticized me for not playing someone that insulted me so your although I think your right now, your past actions regarding the thread don't reflect that.

I'm not going to give away any secrets on tells in the forum to prove my point, although I could. Some of the great players are aware of tells in live play, Although Joeseph Cheong posted a couple of times in this thread , he must have thought tells were valuable as he covers his face & neck with a hoodie. Clip 11:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQdUq...eature=related

Gabe is an attention whore; this whole thread is nothing more than a brag. He can't stay away from this thread for more than 20 minutes after declaring himself done with it 5 times. (note, Once again, Gabe, precisely 0 people in this thread have said that there is no useful information to be gleaned from live tells.)

Among the many LOL moments in this thread, I think my favorite and probably the most underrated was the part when Gabe told subiime that, had he not gotten unlucky (losing some flip somewhere), he might have made the FT instead. That of course completely ignores the fact that subiime probably suffered one of the grossest beats in ME history (AA vs. 75).

Please, stop with this already. The worst thing samo did to you was call you a coward for agreeing to the match then backing out.

You really are "All Talk." Consistently claiming to play "any online player" who wants to play you, then always backing out.

Here's the thing that gets me. Some of us entered this thread willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you could at least put up some logical arguments. However every argument you've made has been logically rebutted, and you refuse to address those rebuttals.

If you can come up with a better argument than "It's obvious, you must be an idiot for not seeing what I see," you're at best coming off as a know-it-all who refuses to logically explain to people your arguments, and at worst coming across as a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who a) continues to play at a casino even though you've written pages on how they're cheating you, b) played "millions" of hands online though you think online sites are rigged against you, and c) believes to be an 80% favorite over a challenger, yet refuse to play him.

I actually lost every race after getting the chip lead, 3 key pots with AK all against pairs & of course the last one 1010 to A9. All I was saying is that there is a tremendous amount of luck late stages because of the way the payout was structured. No pay jumps from 170-100, Then every 10 spots inside a 100 players. The play was extremely deep around 300-150 ish, Then come to a grinding hault as the top 100 bubble come into play, It allowed the blinds to start to catch up with stacks & less play. In earlier stages in the tourney when bad players were still in I would try to avoid flips, However in the late stages the players are too good & edge is smaller so you have to race the shorter stacks. Losing 3 races with 2 over cards against pairs then losing the pair against 1 over card in pretty unfortunate, All of those pots were several million so just winning 1 would have kept me in the hunt. But that's poker

Jedi You've noticed I don't respond to you either so quit asking questions unless you want to play.

There wasn't a single question in his post, All Talk. I know reading comprehension isn't your strong point and because I'm a nice guy, I'll help you out. For future reference look for one of these things:

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That's called a "question mark" and indicates that a question is being asked.

Its kind of funny, A thread just started on what 2+2 used to be like & someone posted the old archives, You should go read them. Back then there were no insulting & bad taste jokes etc. The posters were real people with real questions & ideas. The 1st post I could find was about internet poker & the concerns around it. I remember , back then any rational person had questions of the integrity of online poker & many would not play it. Soon the propaganda machine took over & brainwashed the new generation & the old posters soon left the forums as it was obvious shills were employed to discredit them.


Here is an example : Year 2000

Internet Poker Cheating
Posted by: George M. Rice, Jr. (Yorick@mindspring.com)
Posted on: Saturday, 29 January 2000, at 6:00 p.m.

Oooo, new forum, let me be the first. ;-)

I'm concerned that as internet poker becomes more popular, the "casinos" will be tempted to cheat. They could do this by having robot players at a table and fix it so that these robots win more than their share of hands. How's one to know if a player really exists? One or two robot players at a table could make quite a bundle for the casino over time, and cost us players a lot. It's probably not hard to right the software to do it.

I do think someone will try something like this eventually. Anywhere where there's money to be made is sure to attract the worst element. And with these casinos off-shore, we would have no redress even if we could prove it, which would be impossible to do if done right.

So what does everyone else think about this?




Re: Internet Poker Cheating
Posted by: ratso (ratso222@yahoo.com)
Posted on: Saturday, 29 January 2000, at 6:15 p.m.

I cannot think of any reason why anyone would play poker for real money over the web. There is absolutely no control over collusion between players. Players can use proxy servers to disguise their locations so checking their location is meaningless. There are no controls on the sponsoring internet poker company.
If you play, you do so at your own risk. When you consider some of the stupid things people do, playing internet poker isn't so bad. So, go ahead, it's your money!




Re: Internet Poker Cheating
Posted by: mick (moreys_wigs@yahoo.com)
Posted on: Saturday, 29 January 2000, at 6:29 p.m.

I will not play over the web. There will be a time when one person will have 8 computers set up in one room, playing eight of the hands. Just think how easy to see one seat with the nuts, using the other seats to keep raising to string a sucker along. Or, the situation you state where the house is taking a good share. Or, why couldn't the computer that does the dealing be set up to be random most of the time but deal winners to seat #1 one day, seat # 3 another day. Of course the house will be in those seats.

Having said that, I have talked with dealers and players that use the system set up in 2+2, (I can't recall the name) and they are reporting consistant wins, and are geeting paid off. So I guess it is just a risk if you want to take it.




Re: Internet Poker Cheating
Posted by: Piers
Posted on: Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 4:41 a.m.

Yes of course there are going to be online casinos that cheat in this or similar fashion. Maybe already are. Just as offline, the amount of house cheating is a function of regulation, and there does not seem to be much now.

we get it, you think online poker is rigged AND is open to collusion. Guess what? Collusion happens at live poker, too.

YOU PLAY IN THE SAME LIVE GAME WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND FOR ****S SAKE

Generally those who suck at poker are the ones who refuse to play online. Every person I've ever seen in a casino that says, "online poker is rigged" is a fish. You are one of the rare breed who thought it was rigged, but played millions of hands.

Also, if you're so worried about collusion on the internet, you do realize there are heads up tables, right?

My whole point with posting that last message is showing the dialogue between posters. I imagine the average age of poster back then was several years older & IQ prob at least 15 points higher.

Gabe Costner?

Dude, i hate you...Well, hate is a strong word, but i definitely haven't forgotten about this hand. Very well played, bro.

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