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08-18-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by luckthefakers

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Originally Posted by samoleus
regarding Polov, I have no idea how you could read my "challenge" to him as literal.
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Originally Posted by samoleus
I happily invite you to fly to Boston. You might get a better understanding of whether or not you should be frightened of "someone that looks like me."
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Originally Posted by luckthefakers
This reads like either a threat or a brag, i.e; "If you think you're so tough, come on over and see who you're really dealing with". Obviously you had no intention of actually fighting the man but didn't want to look like a puss in public. That's totally fair. But that's also exactly what Gabe did. He made a threat/brag and when called out on it backed out. Both of these things are just dick measuring contests, which is half of what poker (and especially the talk on these forums) is, anyway.

As far as Gabe goes, I think he got himself into a sticky situation and didn't really want to play anyone for stakes that high (and 40K is a lot to most people) even if he felt he had an edge. That is totally understandable, because deep down everyone knows that no one really has a huge edge in such a short match (no matter how much you two want to wave your dicks around). His mistake was getting into the convo too deep so as to not look like a puss. His latest thing on not willing to escrow is just absurd, since he mentioned they could use Dolan just a few days ago.

Why did you cut out of Samo's quote the other 3 sentences Samo said in that paragraph?

In the context at the time two of those sentences clearly indicated Samo was being sarcastic. He was clearly parodying what Palov had said about the poker match. Polov basically called Samo a **** for trying to escrow the money and not just showing up at Gabe's place to play. He also said if Samo just showed up and Gabe wouldn't play then Samo would win even grander. He also said something about traveling and that 2+2'ers are socially awkward and antisocial or whatever and implied that, that had something to do with traveling in general and specifically traveling to Gabe's house to play without setting up an escrow.

Here is the entire paragraph Samo typed, complete with the sentences that make it clearly sarcastic. I have bolded those two sentences.

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Originally Posted by samoleus

- I am unclear about whether or not you were actually threatening me with physical violence. If you are, then I happily invite you to fly to Boston. You might get a better understanding of whether or not you should be frightened of "someone that looks like me." And if I don't actually show up, you will have won on a grander scale anyway. Besides, it's called TRAVELING! If you don't come, then you are obviously antisocial.

Seems pretty clear to me it is sarcastic and Samo has no intention of showing up.
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08-18-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Thread is derailing into nothing but people calling each other idiots in the meanest way possible (I'm citing the above as an example).

By all means continue to debate, but if your post is nothing but an attack with no other substance I'm going to start deleting them before this magnificent comedy show gets derailed completely.

Now your actually doing your job, The thread has been like this ever since it started, the only reason anyone notices now is because of the threat of a fight. The the attacks with no substance has been in place since day 1.

Thats the problem with 2+2, The mods should be coming down hard on attacks rather than putting their 2 cents where it doesn't belong. How a thread like Doug Lee is a toolbox continues to a million views is amazing. Just shows how many idiots are allowed to continue to insult, rather than debate intelligently, Why do you think honest, intelligent, normal people don't post here anymore?
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08-18-2011 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Now your actually doing your job, The thread has been like this ever since it started, the only reason anyone notices now is because of the threat of a fight. The the attacks with no substance has been in place since day 1.

Thats the problem with 2+2, The mods should be coming down hard on attacks rather than putting their 2 cents where it doesn't belong. How a thread like Doug Lee is a toolbox continues to a million views is amazing. Just shows how many idiots are allowed to continue to insult, rather than debate intelligently, Why do you think honest, intelligent, normal people don't post here anymore?

NVG isn't exactly the forum that is the 2+2 message board's beacon of intelligent and polite discussion.
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08-18-2011 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Now your actually doing your job, The thread has been like this ever since it started, the only reason anyone notices now is because of the threat of a fight. The the attacks with no substance has been in place since day 1.

Thats the problem with 2+2, The mods should be coming down hard on attacks rather than putting their 2 cents where it doesn't belong. How a thread like Doug Lee is a toolbox continues to a million views is amazing. Just shows how many idiots are allowed to continue to insult, rather than debate intelligently, Why do you think honest, intelligent, normal people don't post here anymore?
Dude. I've been a mod for less than 24 hrs. I'm not going go back and reverse mod every thread in NVG.

As for the rest....um....yeah.

As I've asked before, and you have yet to answer: if you hate this forum so much, WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING NEW 2P2 ACCOUNTS AND POSTING?

Do you have an honest, intelligent, normal answer for that?
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08-18-2011 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
NVG isn't exactly the forum that is the 2+2 message board's beacon of intelligent and polite discussion.
Your probably right about that, Maybe I should have started the thread in another area, but since it says views I thought it would be appropriate.
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08-18-2011 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
NVG isn't exactly the forum that is the 2+2 message board's beacon of intelligent and polite discussion.
Now you're just enabling his delusions. The man needs serious professional help.
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08-18-2011 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by luckthefakers

As far as Gabe goes, I think he got himself into a sticky situation and didn't really want to play anyone for stakes that high

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His mistake was getting into the convo too deep so as to not look like a puss. His latest thing on not willing to escrow is just absurd, since he mentioned they could use Dolan just a few days ago.
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08-18-2011 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Dude. I've been a mod for less than 24 hrs. I'm not going go back and reverse mod every thread in NVG.

As for the rest....um....yeah.

As I've asked before, and you have yet to answer: if you hate this forum so much, WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING NEW 2P2 ACCOUNTS AND POSTING?

Do you have an honest, intelligent, normal answer for that?

SGT, Yes, I have a long history with this forum & have had multiple accounts banned just for stating my opinion about online poker. Now either 2+2 is the biggest propaganda machine for online poker & planned to weed out opposition to it, or the mods had massive egos & wouldn't allow anything contrary to their beliefs. My opinion is that its a little of both.

But as far as why I keep coming back here, I do have a reason for that. I have some information that I want to disclose at some point & part of my discussion in this thread is relevant.
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08-18-2011 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
SGT, Yes, I have a long history with this forum & have had multiple accounts banned just for stating my opinion about online poker. Now either 2+2 is the biggest propaganda machine for online poker & planned to weed out opposition to it, or the mods had massive egos & wouldn't allow anything contrary to their beliefs. My opinion is that its a little of both.

But as far as why I keep coming back here, I do have a reason for that. I have some information that I want to disclose at some point & part of my discussion in this thread is relevant.
If you kept getting banned for posting your opinion about online poker and if, as I suspect from having seen this thread and a couple others, your opinion kept being that online poker is rigged then you probably got banned for continually making rigged posts in places they don't belong.

Maybe not though. I'd never heard of you before this thread and I don't know why you've been banned in the past.
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08-18-2011 , 03:43 PM
Gabe, seriously, I don't think 2+2 has any vested interest in protecting Ipoker. (At least by deleting posts regarding rigging) The thread below has 1.5 million views since 2008.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/

P.S. Feel fortunate the mods didn't banish this thread to that cesspool.

Last edited by caseycjc; 08-18-2011 at 03:45 PM. Reason: and don't get any funny ideas sgt :)
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08-18-2011 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Escrow is fairly common in matches where the participants don't know each other. I'm not sure why you won't bend on this one issue, especially since John Dolan has already agreed to act as the escrow and has had subiime (Joseph Cheong) vouch for Dolan. Your money will be safe, and your challenger will have the assurance that you won't back out once he springs for the ticket for the flight.

And this isn't a dig against you at all (really), but right now saying that you are well known and have made millions means absolutely nothing in the wake of the Girah scandal, where well-known, rich HS regs vouched for someone only to have that person run multiple scams.

I have zero intention of going back and modding the entire thread, but play nice, everyone.
When I played HU4ROLLZ with EC10, we escrowed the 20k sidebet. It's how things are done, ESPECIALLY with a delusional sketchy halfwit that expects everyone to come to him. But enough of that, the REAL point at hand is:

SGT RJ, How YOU doin'?
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08-18-2011 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Thread is derailing into nothing but people calling each other idiots in the meanest way possible (I'm citing the above as an example).

By all means continue to debate, but if your post is nothing but an attack with no other substance I'm going to start deleting them before this magnificent comedy show gets derailed completely.
The bottom line, of that way out of line post, is exactly that the debate is leading nowhere, and it never will, because people are split having completely different views that neither side can comprehend obviously.

It is apparent though that the vast majority disagree with OP. Most of NVG are self acclaimed trolls/******s certainly though so the sides may be flipped.

I for one would surely be happy to have a beer with EDDtown and hear his take in person.
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08-18-2011 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Seems pretty clear to me it is sarcastic and Samo has no intention of showing up.
And it seemed to me to be the same with Gabe's initial claims. "I can beat any online player" != "I will play any online player for high stakes". Again, it's just a dick measuring contest, a show of bravado. The problem is that when you make statements like "fly out here then", you are escalating and at some point it becomes more than a statement of machismo and an actual challenge.

Also, this is unrelated but one thing I was wondering is whether Samo actually, you know, CALLED Gabe after Gabe gave him his info? This is what a normal person would do if they actually were serious about a challenge. Airing this crap on a public forum is what people do when they want to gang up on someone for their "delusional" beliefs. Well, that, and Internet geeks who are scared to use the phone.
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08-18-2011 , 03:49 PM
It's probably about threads like this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...42&postcount=1
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08-18-2011 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DFish
Wow, 9100 in a 2/5 game? Maybe you were right about everything afterall.














butnahhhhhhhhh

Guessing he meant 10-25 NL, but maybe not? Anyway, lol at one session meaning she's awesome. PLEASE come out here and give me 2-1 to play her Gabe. I should have little problem getting 50k+ to bet on it. Gabe "All Talk" Costner, however, doesn't exactly instill me with confidence that he would accept. He'll mutter something about escrow, and how I'm a young punk internet kid, (That's 7 years older than him, and married with 3 kids.) Not sure how to read the fact that she is with you for over 3 years and you are in your 30's and not married or engaged though. Seems like some serious metagame there.

BTW, further evidence of how awesome and NOT socially awkward I am here.

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08-18-2011 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown

But as far as why I keep coming back here, I do have a reason for that. I have some information that I want to disclose at some point & part of my discussion in this thread is relevant.
I can speak only for myself, but I know I'll be watching for your next revolutionary post.

But if you honestly expect everyone in NVG to just sit around and sip wine whilst they engage in deep, theoretical and intellectual discussions, well....good luck with that.

If you know your ideas are generally not believed/understood or received well, might I suggest either providing irrefutable evidence of your conclusions, or finding someplace where they would be received well?

Although I'm not sure where that is. NVG, tho, it ain't.

All I can say is that if you do continue to post I'll keep posts that are nothing but personal attacks or gay jokes in check, but I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of people ripping your ideas, and potentially you in the process, to shreds.

/derail.
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08-18-2011 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by luckthefakers
Also, this is unrelated but one thing I was wondering is whether Samo actually, you know, CALLED Gabe after Gabe gave him his info? This is what a normal person would do if they actually were serious about a challenge. Airing this crap on a public forum is what people do when they want to gang up on someone for their "delusional" beliefs. Well, that, and Internet geeks who are scared to use the phone.
Come back in 5 years when 20 people have ****ed you over through verbal 1on1 agreements.
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08-18-2011 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by luckthefakers
And it seemed to me to be the same with Gabe's initial claims. "I can beat any online player" != "I will play any online player for high stakes". Again, it's just a dick measuring contest, a show of bravado. The problem is that when you make statements like "fly out here then", you are escalating and at some point it becomes more than a statement of machismo and an actual challenge.

Also, this is unrelated but one thing I was wondering is whether Samo actually, you know, CALLED Gabe after Gabe gave him his info? This is what a normal person would do if they actually were serious about a challenge. Airing this crap on a public forum is what people do when they want to gang up on someone for their "delusional" beliefs. Well, that, and Internet geeks who are scared to use the phone.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1440

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Originally Posted by Lego05
FWIW if my memory on how it was said is correct, which may not be the case, I also don't think Gabe's initial "challenge" was actually literally a challenge. It was too indefinite and seemed like mere puffery to me. Sure, it seems like crazy, and if actually believed by the speaker then perhaps delusional, puffery, but still seemed like puffery. However, he certainly did later issue challenges and there certainly was an agreement between him and Samo to play a match.
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08-18-2011 , 04:02 PM
i think he said 25 nl with a 10 straddle, so prob 2/5
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08-18-2011 , 04:06 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...l-tile-402017/

sounds like a rigged account to me
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08-18-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
i think he said 25 nl with a 10 straddle, so prob 2/5
That is how I read it. The 25NL confused me for a little bit, but I thought I figured it out when he said people were straddling to 10. I wonder if the max BI was 500. 18 BI's is a lot to win at live poker in one day. Even if you play all 24 hours of the day you get like 750 hands absolute max right? And probably not that many.

Forget the sun .... had to run like a supernova to win 18 BI's.
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08-18-2011 , 04:12 PM
And by the way, response to one of the post above. No Samo did not call me. I did give my contact information to him. Phone number. Rather than calling me, He chose to come onto a forum & say that I was not responding to him, (which I did provide proof of my responses by posting our PMs). He was obviously trying to look good by posting BS in front of his cult like followers.
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08-18-2011 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
That is how I read it. The 25NL confused me for a little bit, but I thought I figured it out when he said people were straddling to 10. I wonder if the max BI was 500. 18 BI's is a lot to win at live poker in one day. Even if you play all 24 hours of the day you get like 750 hands absolute max right? And probably not that many.

Forget the sun .... had to run like a supernova to win 18 BI's.


The buy in at Beau Rivage is uncapped, even on the 1 2NL games. That's why there is much more skill involved in these games, It is not always a mathmatical let me look at his stack & use this range play strategy etc. Sometimes there will be players playing shorter stacks, but when the game is good & theres a lot of action, the play can get really deep. Claudia bought in for something like 4K.
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08-18-2011 , 04:20 PM
And talking about players backing out of matches, Last week a guy walked in & was playing 5 10NL, bought in maybe 1000. After the game starts breaking, He ask claudia if she wanted to play HU PLO . 10000, She said yes, Only had 6000 or so on her. He tells her to go get money & he would stay right there til she got back, John Dolan is standing there, He says I ll let you borrow 5k claudia, So he gives her the money.

As soon as he starts counting the bills to give to her, the guy graps his stack, turns his back & walks out. She said wait, where are you going, He never looked back. Now that is talking **** & backing out.
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08-18-2011 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
The buy in at Beau Rivage is uncapped, even on the 1 2NL games. That's why there is much more skill involved in these games, It is not always a mathmatical let me look at his stack & use this range play strategy etc. Sometimes there will be players playing shorter stacks, but when the game is good & theres a lot of action, the play can get really deep. Claudia bought in for something like 4K.
Nice, that certainly makes it much more possible.

But of course it's still going to be pretty mathematical and putting opponents on range is still how you play.


And bought in for $4K, nice. I don't think I've ever played 800 big blinds deep.
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