TwoSHAE ftw

f ya twoshae

I just wanted to point out that the OP makes no sense whatsoever. If online players have "better math" then, they are, better poker players. That is just a fact. I do not underestimate live reads. Poker is a game that can be played live or online. So online players are better at the game of poker, and they are also better at the game of online poker. Live players are better at live poker, but still worse at "poker" since the venue is ambigious when you just say poker. Also, good luck reading me when I'm wearing stunna shades, a unabomber hoodie, the face of a criminal feeling no remorse, and there's light in your eyes from all the rocks on my Rolex.

One of the stipulations of the challenge is that you cannot wear sun glasses or a hoodie, as that will neutralize his super human "soul reading" ability. Yet each tourney he plays he says almost all of the chips he gets are from online players--most of which I'm sure wear sunglasses and/or hoodies

Don't insult OP in any way! or say anything that could be misconstrued as insulting. Follow Samo's lead minus his last post

lol, he's not going to play you unless you play naked

Watch some other online player who is actually good accept his "challenge" and have him back out again then threaten to do physical harm to them for "disrespecting" him

okay sorry I did not have time to read all of OP's drivel, as frankly, every single one of his posts tilts the **** out of me because I'm pretty sure he is serious. Can I wear a tin hat OP?

I will still play with a no sunglasses/hood rule.

There really are few things that are as tilting as someone who posts ridiculous, illogical, unprovable BS, actually believes it, and is not willing to even attempt to participate in an actual argument about it. Even worse, all the solid points/arguments that ppl make against him go straaaaight over his head. He doesn't or can't acknowledge anything. very tilting

When I play strip poker I can get really good reads by focusing on the genataylia. I'm not going to go into the specefics of it, because these are closely garded secrets and I'm not giving away this kind of info for free, but just trust me when I say you have to pay close attention to ALL parts of the body when your at the felt. All these on-line players wouldnt know about this, because they probably never even played hi-stakes strip poker live or any kind of "real" poker.

lol

please be careful about what you say. gabe 'all talk' will look for any excuse to back out and you saying that his posts tilt you may be grounds for being disrespectful in his eyes.

If you want this to happen you have to kiss his ass hardcore and coddle him. Basically treat him like a 4 year old.

anyway I don't know who asa akira is but I hope this is for real. Would love to see eddtown get called on his **** again and have to be forced to back out a second time in a row.

Of course, he's no longer posting in this thread . . . hmm.

To be honest, I am actually a believer in the power of live reads, and I think there are certain rare players (Stu Ungar I believe was one) who can bring people-reading to a whole level that most of us can't imagine. It's possible that Gabe is one of those people.

Have you ever heard about the Truth Wizards experiment, but there are certain rare people who are way above average in being able to read whether people are lying or telling the truth. The experiment found them to be about 0.25% of the population, based on the 20,000 people they tested. That's 1 in 400 people. Most of those people will not get into poker seriously, so the chances of one of these natural readers is pretty slim, so it shouldn't be expected that we hear from many of them in the poker world. Most of us have to try really hard against our natural inability to read people. So I'm just putting it out there that it is entirely possible that Gabe is a very, very good reader of people, because I don't think most people can relate to what is possible at the higher end of this skill spectrum.

This might also explain his losses online, because while his reads might be exceptional, his fundamental play is lacking, just because he has not had the need to improve it in live games because his reads on people accomplish a lot for him. You would still think he might consider this an option, though, and not that online poker is rigged.

At the same time, he has not defended his ideas well at all, and the only way he could defend his ideas if he were to tell us some specific reads he had on people in specific situations. He has expressed reluctance to do that, because they are closely guarded trade secrets. But he should understand that without any specific arguments from him as to how he reads people, this whole argument is quite meaningless. He should understand people's frustration that he is making astonishing claims but does not give us even anecdotal reasons to believe those claims.

My personal theory; Gabe was perhaps putting together a book on poker tells and wanted to create some advance hype on Twoplustwo, but unfortunately it got off on the wrong foot. And Gabe might not be good at responding to people online, and it kept degenerating. Gabe, if you're reading this, you can salvage this thread (and maybe your TwoplusTwo reputation, whatever that's worth to you) if you tell us some actual hands where tells came into play. I, for one, am very curious.

I'm a believer that tells are very much under-rated, mostly because most people don't see the possibilities and factors that are presenting themselves. But I also don't think it adds that much to my win rate; maybe 15-30%, depending on the type of game, but that's not insubstantial.

So please give us some examples, Gabe; it's probably not top secret knowledge if you say many top poker players already know them. And those people who don't believe there's much use in reads won't get much out of it anyway.

maybe gabe has good live reads but anyone that actually believes online is rigged and 90% of coolers over 1MM+ hands go against you is way too stupid to actually be better than me at poker, live reads or not

Ever seen Rain Man?

"He basically bankrupt a casino and he was a ra-tard."

That's all fine apokerplayer, Gabe 'All Talk' could indeed be basically bad at poker except for a fantastic hand reading gift coupled with persistent delusions and creeping paranoia. However, if this allowed him to be overall even a tenth the live player he claims to be, he would face off against Samo as he agreed. The fact that he weaselled out of doing so shows that, deep down, he knows he is pretty bad.

Where are the terms for the match? Is it possible I get to play him and his gf simultaneously so I can 2 table? I hate 1 tabling. Is he gunna escrow to a reputable 2p2er?

Gabe never actually set any terms, all he said was that he would beat any online player any time, and that he was an 80% fav vs every online player HU live.

Samo set the terms of the match as 15/30$ blinds, min buy in at 250bb and play until one person has won 40K, they agreed to equity chop all in pots>50bb. also, gabe refuses to play HU in a casino due to his fear of being cheated.....

you could prob set your own terms tho, as long as you fly to his place and kiss his ass....

off the top of my head:

1) no hoodies/no sunglasses
2) match is a 40k freeze out
3) I think there was a talk of doing an equity chop for all-in pots to minimize variance
4) doesn't want it to be in a casino because casinos cheat by infrared lasers
5) some reloading rules (can't remember specifics, but something around a force reload under a certain amount, and you take money off the table if over ~250bbs or something)
6) repeatedly ducked the escrow issue, and called it an unimportant detail - so good luck with that one

This is the most ludicras claim I have ever read. The best poker players are the best. Is Phil Ivey an online player or live player? how about dwan? how about hansen or antonius or... you get the picture.

lol wut? They cheat specifically against him with lasers? Or vs everyone? How does this work? Does he want me to play him at his house while his buddy deals? That sure as **** isn't happening lol. Escrow is important too.

Oh Gabe explained that. He considers ivey and pa live. Durrrr he considers a "hybrid" and that he has learned to develop his live skills and that he acknowledges how important reading ppl is.

So basically as soon as the "online players" beat "live players" in a live setting, then they qualify for the "hybrid" title and are no longer just "online players".....Sound logic there
So that way, Gabe can never be wrong.

Okay I read OPs other thread and am now convinced everything he says is a level.

A+ threads!

Gabe maybe "All Talk" but you have got to give him credit...he has got all the angles covered.